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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: lidgett on Saturday 23 December 06 01:04 GMT (UK)
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Any locals with knowledge of Red Villa Wrexham?
One of my Gt Gt Grandmas gives it as her birthplace on one census, on the others it is either Wrexham or 'don't know'. Since she was born before 1837 and had the common name of Taylor I could use all the help I can get. Can't trace on 1841-1851 census either.
Specific details are:
Maria Taylor born c1835/6 father James, a tailor, married Richard Thomas in Aldford Cheshire 1856.
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I am speculating perhaps,but this could refer to an area that is now known as Red Wither,which is to be found on the present Wrexham Industrial Estate,which is roughly in the Wrexham/Marchwiel area.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thanks for that WRJ, I have just been searching old maps of the area but there seems to be little in the mid 1800s in the area of the industrial estate, however Marchwiel did have (possibly still does) a pub called Red Lion, equally intriguing. Maybe St Marcellus PR is the next place to look, I don't suppose you know which parish would cover the area of the now industrial estate?
Hope you had a good holiday and best wishes for the season,
Linda
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Yes it seems I too was a little hasty,when I first searched on Ancestry in 1851 for your Maria Taylor.I knew I should have been a little more suspicous of the Maria Taylor who is showing as a 74 year old Servant in Pickhill Denbighshire!On examination of the actual entry,she is actually 14 years of age,which would not be too far out for yours.She is showing as born in Pickhill Denbighshire in c 1837.Now then although Pickhill is indeed in Denbighshire,it was actually for Church purposes in the Parish of Bangor-On-Dee which at that time was in Flintshire.You can see details of the Parish at;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Bangor/index.html
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Looking again at the 1851 Census,after finding perhaps a possible for your Maria Taylor,suddenly the John and Maria Taylor who are living in Pickhill Lane Sesswick look very interesting,and could indeed be possible Parents for your Maria.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thanks again, I was just trawling through the 1881 lds census incase anyone gave Red Villa as a dwelling, but no. I shall add those parishes to my wish list. I hadn't spotted that Maria either, I know she wasn't born after civil reg started. Plenty to have a go at now. Your latest post has just arrived. Maria's father was given as James....
so maybe not. I'll have a look anyway
Thanks again
Linda
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It depends how you intend to look up the Baangor-On-Dee Parish Registers,but if you were thinking of ordering the Booklets transcribed by Clwyd FHS,their Baptisms are only complete up to 1812.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I don't suppose it could be an unusual translation of Plas Coch or another Welsh variation? There was at least a Plas Coch in the Wrexham area.
Perhaps the Welsh speakers might come up with another idea.
Peter
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Cheers Peter
I tried to do a translation on the internet and came up with Rhudd and goch and coch but couldn't find anything to go with it....being a poor english speaker myself.
Nos da
Linda
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To all those who offered assistance on this thread may I say thanks and for anyone else who finds it while looking for Red Villa Wrexham I have now found it. It is Rhyd Fiddir, in Abenbury. Red Wither Road Wrexham. Elizabeth Taylor James's widow was living there in 1851 and owned her own house. Wonder if it is still standing. Google earth isn't clear in this area, probably something sensitive there. Red Wither, Red Witha or Red Vider all appear to be corruptions of the same place.
Lidgett
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Hi Lidgett
Try this link for Red Wither road
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.039241&lon=-2.923077&z=17.3&r=0&src=msl
Heather
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HI Heather
Thanks for that link. The picture is superb, unfortunately it looks like the old homestead has gone under the factory units. There doesn't seem to be any old buildings left. What a shame. Still, I am grateful to you for sending me that link, I shall 'favourite' it.
Lidgett
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http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.039539&lon=-2.925511&z=17.3&r=0&src=msl
Red Withers Inn, I can remember that this was converted from an old property about 30/35 years ago, .
On the 1838 tithe map for Abenbury Fawr, plan No 249 is a house and garden owned by James Taylor. Just under 1 acre.
Shall we all meet up there and investigate further ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Lidgett,
I'm new to rootschat, and was really surprised to find someone else also researching James and Elizabeth Taylor, of Rhyd Fiddir (that was alot of fun working that one out, lol). My relation is John Taylor (b. 1839), son of Mary(b. 1821,youngest Mary of James and Elizabeth), not sure about a father for John? Your X2 GGrandma, Maria, is my X3 G Aunt. Only just begun to research my family tree, really pleased how much i've found already. :)
Dottie 1
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Baptism St Giles.
1774
James Taylor s/o William ( occ taylor tailor ) Abenbury Fawr
St Giles marriages
1806 Dec 31 James Taylor ba occ Tailor otp
Elizabeth Evans sp otp
Witts Martha Taylor and Thos Wainwright
St Giles baptisms
All children of James and Elizabeth Taylor. Tailor of Abenbury Fawr.
1807 Oct 8 Sarah
1810 Apr 29 Elizabeth
1813 Jan 7 William
1816 Feb 3 Mary
1819 Jan 27 John
1822 May 12 Robert
1818 Mar 36 George
1836 Oct 16 Anna Maria.
I know Lidgett has masses of info on the Taylors. I`m sure she will share it. :) :) :)
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Hi Wilcoxon
Thanks for your post, Lidgett has got in touch with me, and we are getting up to date with it all.
Cheers for letting me know ;) most appreciated
dottie 1
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Hi Wilcoxon and all
Yes we have reopened this can of worms!
Cheers to you all
Lidgett
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I know this is an old post, but I`ve started helping a friend who`s mother was a Taylor.
Working backwards I `ve realised this is the same line.
I did find quite a lot for Lidgett, but have lost all our emails and details .
Can she and Dottie contact me please . PM.