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Title: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Wednesday 20 December 06 05:43 GMT (UK)
Hello,

i am trying to find Elizabeth Anne Jessop christened around 1826 in windlesham, surrey. she had an older brother named George and their parents were henry jessop and Elizabeth. i am sorry i don't have anymore dates but i would like to see how far back i can go with this line. thank you. and may everyone have a happy holiday  ;D :)

Allie
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: tazzie on Wednesday 20 December 06 06:47 GMT (UK)



  Hi Allie...
 
  Other siblings are...

William c 13 Aug 1820
John c 20 April 1823
George c 19 DEc 1824
Elizabeth Ann c 25 June 1826
& Caroline c 6 Juky 1828.

    All extracted on IGI from parish records. Windlesham Surrey.
 Parents marriage does not show on IGI.

                   Tazzie
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Wednesday 20 December 06 12:53 GMT (UK)
that's great. what about her parents or family staus do they show up in any census for britain? and are there any records for at least her father henry jessop? sorry don't know dates for him.

allie
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: Jane Masri on Thursday 21 December 06 14:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Allie,
I've had a look on the Surrey Marriage Index & they're not there  :(  Also had a look in the 1841 & 1851 census for the family without any luck.
Windlesham is on the border with Berkshire so it might be worth bearing that in mind.  Also checked Pallots marriage index with no luck,

jane
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: Valda on Thursday 21 December 06 16:13 GMT (UK)
An Elizabeth Ann Jessop married Charles Hayward in Andover registration district in 1852.
On the 1861 census Elizabeth A Hayward aged 34 living in Andover, gave her place of birth as Bagshot Surrey (which would be in Windlesham parish).

1851 census HO107 1613 folio 738
Penshurst  Kent 
Elizabeth Jessup  24 Bagshot, Surrey, Servant Unmarried Cook

No other Jessops show born Bagshot until 1871

RG10 94 folio 20
Thistle and Crown 40 Thomas Street St George Hanover Square  London
George Jessop 46 Bagshot, Surrey, Head Unmarried Licensed Victualler   
Elizabeth Comport  82  Andover, Hampshire, Mother Widow
Rachel A Hayward  17  West Grimstead, Sussex,  Niece Barmaid

George marries after 1871.

1861 George wrongly written by the census enumerator as Jesson and is wrongly indexed with different parents though he is actually with his mother

RG9 63 folio 112
13 Masons Yard Westminster St James  Middlesex 
Elizabeth Comport  72  Andover, Hampshire, Mother Widow Housekeeper crossed through
George Jesson 36 Bagshot, Surrey, Son Unmarried Servant

For the 1851 census this seems the only possible either as Jessop or Comport

HO107 1683 folio 394
High Street Andover  Hampshire   
Ebenezer Comport  65 Shoreditch, Middlesex, Head Married Shoemaker
Elizabeth Comport  60  Andover, Hampshire,  Wife  Married
George Comport 20  Andover, Hampshire,  Son  Tailor
plus 2 lodgers and 1 visitor

Ebenezer is with his family in Andover in 1841 - wife Ann (and he has a son called George aged 9).
He remarries in 1850 but not to a Jessop.

Marriages Jun 1850   
Comport  Ebenezer     Andover  7 81 
May  Elizabeth     Andover  7 81
or possibly 
ANNETTS  Eliza    Andover  7 81   

so either this is a complete red herring or Elizabeth would have to have married three times.

Deaths Dec 1856
Comport  Ebenezer     Andover  2c 116

There is an earlier marriage of a Henry Jessop in Andover

HENRY JESSOP 
ELIZABETH DEAVES 
Marriage:  29 OCT 1817   Andover, Hampshire

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Thursday 28 December 06 23:15 GMT (UK)
well that is my elizbaeth and my hayward and i know that is the george jessop i have in my tree with rachel a hayward for i have that he married his own niece. but for the comport part i am not sure.
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: Valda on Friday 29 December 06 10:52 GMT (UK)
The 1871 census gives you George and Rachel who you already know about and George's mother Elizabeth Comport.

Deaths Dec 1875 
COMPORT  Elizabeth  86  Kensington  1a 41

Marriages Sep 1876   
Hayward  Rachel Annie    Lambeth  1d 769   
JESSOP  George     Lambeth  1d 769

George and Rachel were in Marylebone on the 1881 census (not surprisingly for an uncle/niece marriage (which was and is illegal) they married away from where they were living and only after Elizabeth's death.

The 1861 census confirms the 1871 census that the surname is really Comport and her birth place was Andover.

The 1851 census has an Elizabeth Comport of the right age and birthplace. There is no death or marriage for an Elizabeth Comport between 1851 and 1861 on FreeBMD (not a complete index but getting there). The 1861 census has only one Elizabeth Comport, a widow, of the right age and birthplace with her son George Jessop. Ebenezer Comport did die between 1851 and 1861 so Elizabeth would be a widow.
The 1850 marriage, if it is the correct marriage, will give Elizabeth's father's name and occupation and will show whether this Elizabeth's maiden name was Deaves and whether there is any connection to the earlier marriage in Andover in 1817.
It is of course a risk

Baptism Hampshire

16th August 1818 Henry Jessop - father Henry, mother Elizabeth
Overton

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Friday 29 December 06 13:25 GMT (UK)
ok valda

the make more sense if george's mother remarried if she did then i guess that is where comport comes in right. also why was it illegal to marry your niece back then?

thank you for your help so far.

Allie
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Friday 29 December 06 13:57 GMT (UK)
what it Kensington Park Somerset or
Kensington South Middlesex
 where elizabeth comport is buried or died?

Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: Valda on Friday 29 December 06 14:03 GMT (UK)
It is still and always has been illegal to marry your niece. Society's view (and the church's) has not changed. It is still considered an incestuous relationship - within the forbidden degrees of marriage.  It is also not a good idea genetically to encourage relationships which would produce children within closely related family members. The closest legal relationship allowed is between first cousins.

Toulouse-Lautrec the painter is a good example of the genetic disorders that can happen when families 'inbreed'. He was not a descendant of an incestous relationship but his ancestors were closely connected and his own parents were first cousins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Toulouse-Lautrec

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Friday 29 December 06 14:12 GMT (UK)
mmmm,

valda i did not know this. it is very interesting to me to hear and i thank you for this before i was confused with george and rachel his niece but now it all coming into view. so iam also trying to find if this elizabeth comport  was in indeed the elizabeth deaves that married henry jessop.

allie
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: Valda on Friday 29 December 06 14:22 GMT (UK)
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Kensington/KensingtonHistory.html

Now a London borough, but in the 1860s part of Middlesex, since then strictly speaking London consisted only of the square mile of the city.

Elizabeth Comport's death was registered in Kensington registration district. In 1875 this would include Kensington, Chelsea and Paddington districts. Where a person dies, particularly in London is not necessarily where they are buried. There were many London cemeteries the largest of which was actually in Woking Surrey.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,128585.0.html

Somerset is a county in south west England.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark1968/images%20Camping/map-england.gif

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: montymops on Thursday 03 October 19 16:51 BST (UK)
Hello - I have also been trying to find Elizabeth Anne Jessop. My great grandmother was Lena Hayward b.1855 who was the daughter of Charles Hayward and Elizabeth Jessop. Lena had a twin brother called Robert and was sister to Rachel Anne Hayward who apparently married her uncle - George Jessop.
I have also come up against problems in identifying Elizabeth Comport and whether or not she was Elizabeth Deaves! The dates don't seem to add up and as someone else mentioned, it appears that she may have married 3 times but again that doesn't seem possible.
I would be very grateful if you could let me know if you have found anything else since you posted on Rootsweb some years ago.
Many thanks Cilla Alexander
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: AllieCarr-Russo on Tuesday 08 October 19 18:54 BST (UK)
To montymops,


I have not recently done anything more on my husbands side of the family tree for that is also his relationships. but i do have elizabeth deaves b. abt 1781 married to henry jessop b. abt 1806. they married around 1817. but as for elizabeth comport i have not really explored that area. i do have though elizabeth deaves parent's and they were i believe samuel and elizabeth, no maiden for her mother.

if i find anything in regards to the family tree i will definitely write you back on the board.

Allison carr- Russo
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: ShannonRR on Thursday 13 May 21 19:14 BST (UK)
I wanted to send you a PM but it keeps coming up "You are unable to send a message." I am related to this line through my biological father's side, confirmed by my ancestry DNA test. Is there a way I can contact you? I have some questions I think you might possibly be able to answer, I never met my biological father.
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 13 May 21 19:25 BST (UK)
Hi Shannon - welcome to Rootschat

You have to post three times to be able to use the personal message system.

Just reply to this, saying thanks or something (!) a couple of times, and you will be set to go.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: ShannonRR on Thursday 13 May 21 19:27 BST (UK)
Hi Shannon - welcome to Rootschat

You have to post three times to be able to use the personal message system.

Just reply to this, saying thanks or something (!) a couple of times, and you will be set to go.

Good luck!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Trying to find info on Elizabeth ann Jessop
Post by: ShannonRR on Thursday 13 May 21 19:27 BST (UK)
Sending you a PM now