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Hi, I would love to find a Francis Best Harrison, born c 1828 in Ingham Lincolnshire, on the 1871 census, his occupation was a harness maker/saddler.
He was on the 1861 and 1881 as follows:
1861 - Hemswell, Lincs (RG9/2406, Folio 100, Page 16
Francis Best, Harrison, Head, M, 33, Collar & Harness Maker, Ingham Lincs
Sarah, Harrison, Wife, M, 38, Broughton Lincs
1881 - 8 Witherweeks Yd, Kingston-Upon-Hull (RG11/4769, Folio 86, Pge 7)
Francis B, Harrison, Head, M, 53, Harness Maker, Lincolnshire Ingham
Hannah, Harrison, Wife, M, 56, Lincolnshire Grimsby
Unfortunately on Ancestry, he was transcribed as Hamson on the 1861 and in 1881 he was transcribed as Ramison, birthplace Incham (thank goodness for familysearch.org) :)
He lived in Hull until his death in 1910. It is not known if he had any children, but I am sure he is connected with a brickwall I am trying to break down :D
He did not marry his wife Hannah that was with him on the 1881 census until 1882 - so I do not know his whereabouts between 1861 and 1881.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kath
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Hi Kath,
I do not know if you have this.
Francis Best Harrison Christened 28 May 1828 Ingham Lincolnshire
Parents were Nathaniel Harrison and Ann
FHL Film 505775
Regards,
Frances :)
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Hi Frances,
I didn't know that; thank you for that information it is really appreciated. :)
Regards, Kath
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Hi Frances,
I hope you don't mind me being cheeky ;) But is it possible for you to look up a John Butler Harrison born c1827. On the 1871 census he is living in Old Sleaford and has a birth place of Hull; but I have a feeling he is connected to Francis (all to do with the granddaughter he has living with him).
I cannot find him in any other census, he has the same occupation as Francis and as I can't find Francis in the 1871, I did wonder :-\ But no, I don't think they are one and the same. Hopefully he was born in Ingham, not Hull :-X
Thanks, Kath
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Hi Kath
I have searched under every combination of name I can think of for both Francis in 1871 and John in 1861/81, and can find neither. :-\ It's most odd that both of them are difficult to find on separate census years.
Do you know when Francis Best Harrison's wife Sarah died?
Was it inbetween census do you know?
Kind regards
Su
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Hi Su,
Thank you very much for spending time and effort in trying to find Francis and John, it is greatly appreciated.
I have no idea when Sarah died and there are loads of deaths for Sarah Harrison, and as I don't know when or where, I am leaving that one well alone!
Two days ago, I got his marriage cert to Hannah Whitlam (nee Baines) in 1882 and after lots of digging, amongst the misspellings/mistranscriptions etc, have found she is my missing link. There are several pieces of this complicated jigsaw missing, but I cannot find this Hannah in the 1861 and 1871. This John Butler Harrison and Hannah with granddaughter Mary Ann Noon in the 1871 intrigues me even more now, because of the granddaughter. But the Hannah I am searching for was born in Grimsby not Selby :o
This is why the Mary Ann Noon is important:
1842 - Marriage between James Delisle and Hannah Baines, in Hull (www.yorkshirebmd.org)
1843 - Birth of Mary Jane Delisle
1848 - Marriage between John Whitlam and Hannah Baines, in Hull
1866 - Birth of Mary A Noon (www.freebmd.org)
1868 - Marriage between Thomas Noon and Mary Jane Delisle (father James Delisle, dec)
1871 - Mary Ann Noon (c1867), living with John Butler Harrison and Hannah in Sleaford, as granddaughter
1881 - Mary Ann Noon (c1867, living with Thomas and Mary J Noon as daughter
1882 - Marriage between Francis Best Harrison and Hannah Whitlam (widow), nee Baines.
I hope, I haven't bored you, this actually does get a lot more complicated, but as can be seen from above, Mary Ann Noon, is the granddaughter of Hannah. I have hundreds of ideas, but I am keeping a very open mind on this one.
A very happy New Year to you,
Kath
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Hi Kath
How complicated. Is the Hannah living with John Butler Harrison on the 1871, the same Hannah Whitlam (nee Baines) who later marries Francis Best Harrison?
It seems so to me if she is the grandmother of Mary J Noon, unless she is her 'other' grandmother.
I'll keep looking on the census, they have to be there somewhere.
Kind regards
Su
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Hi Su,
Thank you again for your continued time and effort on this. I am not sure, that this one is going to be cracked, though!
I have just sent off for the marriage cert in respect of Hannah and John Whitlam, I think I need to continue building a bigger picture, even if it costing a fortune in certificates!
Once again thanks for all your efforts.
Kind Regards,
Kath
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Hi Su,
Thought I would let you know, I have received the marriage cert in respect of the marriage to John Whitlam, in 1848, at the same time, I sent for another marriage cert, I didn't expect it to be for the same Hannah, but oh my goodness it was :o
Hannah married again in 1860 to Ebenezer George Weeks, I am sure that John Whitlam was still alive and kicking and living in Lincolnshire in 1861. Interestingly when Hannah married in 1882 to Francis Best Harrison, she called herself Whitlam (widow), rather than Weeks.
Thankfully because of the info, from this certificate, I have now found her on the 1861 census, living in Manchester with Ebenezer, which now leaves the only census, that I cannot find her in, is the 1871.
The more, I find out about this lady, the more questions I have, but it is fun trying to get the answers ;D
Kind regards,
Kath
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Just found your old post mentioning James Delisle and Hannah Baines. I have them (indirectly) on my Family Tree. Did you know that their daughter Mary Jane and her husband Thomas Noon can be found on the 1881 census (with their six children) under the surname Croow? Not surprisingly, it took me ages to find them!
Kath, do you have a further information on James Delisle or Thomas Noon?
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Hi, apologies for the late reply, I am afraid I do not much about James Delisle, he and Hannah married on 4th Apr 1842. On the marriage cert his occupation is Mariner and his father is William Delisle, Farmer. Hannah remarries in 1844.
I have not looked into Thomas Noon, so am afraid cannot help there, apart from tracing them in the censuses and yes had found them in 1881!
Kath
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Hi Kath
Thank you for the additional information on James Delisle, which I did not have. Every little helps. I've also read all your messages re. his wife, Hannah Baines - quite a character. Someone like that in your family tree makes research so much more interesting!
Kind regards.
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Hi Kath,
I just wanted to say thanks for the information you posted here about the DeLisle family - I'm married to a direct descendent of Thomas Noon and Mary Jane Delisle, although they are a new descovery for us. If I can be of use to you in any way helping track down this branch, please let me know.
Regards,
Gemma
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Hi Gemma,
Nice to hear from you. As you can see this new discovery of yours, is a very interesting part of the family :-)
Thought you might like to know that Mary Jane Delisle had an illegitimate child, whom sadly died at 11 days old from a 'debility from birth'. The date of death was 28th Oct 1864 and it was in the Workhouse, Anlaby Rd, Hull. Informant: Mary Jane Delisle, mother, a domestic servant.
Ebenezer George Weeks, (husband no 4 of 5 of Mary Jane Delisles mother), went to Australia with a new wife, although he ended up abandoning her. There is a thread on rootschat about him, where I was helped tracking him by some kind rootschatters. Also if you google him you will find newspaper articles about him, one of them of his death in Australia, blind and poor.
Kind Regards,
Kath
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Wow kath, they certainly are a bunch of characters!
Do you know much about Mary Ann Noon? Was Mary Jane her mother, or is she another illegitimate child only from Thomas?
Until very recently we did not know the family tree beyond the name of my father-in-law's grandfather, and it is great to finally be starting to fill in some of the blanks. We knew there was a scandal of some sort, but we weren't expecting someone like Elizabeth Baines to show up on the tree.
You would think a surname like "noon" would be easy to research, although it has proven to be the hardest branch on the tree so far. Can I ask how you are linked on the tree? I'm happy to share any future discoveries with you if they can help. I forsee me spending a lot of time on A******y in the next few weeks.
Gemma
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Hi Gemma,
Afraid I don't know much about Mary Ann Noon, apart from her birth is registered in the qtr Dec 1866, Thomas Noon and Mary Jane Delisle married on 25th May 1868!
This is my husbands side of the family he is descended from Mary Jane Delisles half sister Catherine Elizabeth Hendricksen (Hannah Baines second husband). The shenanigans carried on with Catherine, although to give some credit, she did only have the one husband ;D
Hannah Baines certainly was a character, I would love to go back in time, to see if she was abandoned by her husbands, or she just tired of them!
Kath