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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Dazville on Saturday 16 December 06 19:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Researching my mothers side of the family and i was told of our family linking to the Palace Theatre Leicester...I understand the Cashmore family owned the theatre at sometime.....
Would anybody have any information regarding the Palace Theatre Leicester..
Kind Regards
Darryl
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Seasonal Greeting’s……… Darryl. :)
Trade Directories list the Following Managers for
“ The Palace Theatre” Leicester :-
1903. ~ 07…….Oswald Stoll.
1908. ~ 11. ....Hatton. C. Finch.
1912. ~ 15…....G.F. Reynolds.
1916……………….Trueman Towers.
Two performances 6.45. & 8.50. pm. Nightly.
From 1908 they were also
responsible for the
" Floral Hall Picture House "next door.
Hope this helps in someway.
MIKE.
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Hi Mike
Thanks for that,my mother is convinced of a link with the Palace so i have to for now accept what she and our family are saying.....interesting......
Kind Regards
Darryl
;D
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Hi again
Could anybody tell me when the Palace Theatre Leicester was built?...limited information on the internet and am i correct in saying it was demolished after w.w. 2
Kind Regards
Darryl
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Greeting’s Again……Darryl
Further information on
“ The Palace Theatre Leicester.”
1901.
Erected on the site of old Floral Hall
At a cost of £ 50.000.
With seating of 3,500.
Oswald Stoll Managing Director.
The Hall was deigned by Frank Matcham.
Built by George Duxbury & Sons.
Opening night 17th. May 1901.
Upper Circle added 1913.
Extra Waiting rooms added 1938.
Prices :-
Private Boxes ~ 10/6d., 7/6d.& 5/-
Grand Circle ~ 1/6d.
Stalls. ~ 1/- ( Tip up seats)
Upholstered seats ~ 6d.
Balcony. ~ 4d ( Upholstered seats.)
Gallery. ~ 3d.
Jimmy Young appeared on stage in King of Discs 1953.
Cyril Dawking Manager … 1953.
Theatre CLOSED early 14th. Feb 1959.
Sold to Sketchley Ltd. 21st. Feb. 1959.
Bulldozers moved in two weeks after this …..
MIKE.
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Wow thanks Mike
great bit of information ........ thanks again
Darryl
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Hi Darryl,
My Gt Grandma, "Elizabeth Cashmore" nee Tandy was a "cleaner" at the Palace Theatre Leicester. She used to take me with her now and then. Everyone loved her. She was such a tiny lady 4ft 5ins,
The family were showmen traveling the country with different fairs but based in Leicester in the winter months.
Merry Xmas
Sue (corbie)
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Hi Sue
Thats rather interesting information you have revealed,I was wondering if there might be a link somewhere......my ancestor Percy Ralph Cope married Florence Cashmore, parents being George Cashmore, Annie Cashmore(both were called Cashmore)....Do you have any photographic archives/memories etc you would be willing to share......P.m. me if you would like to share...
Kind Regards
Merry Xmas
Darryl...... ;D
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Hi Darryl,
Yes there is a link, Florence Cashmore's brother George was my Grt Grt grandad.
I have most of the family tree if you are interested in the Cashmore's. I will p.m. you about them.
It will after Xmas now, as I'm getting ready for my lot to arrive for Xmas.
Merry Xmas to you and yours Distant Cous!
Sue x
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Hi Sue
Hey this could be spooky!!!
My Great Grandmother was Florence Cashmore...
Her Father was George Cashmore......you said her brother, so did she also have a brother aswell as father called George?
if so we have a link ;D.....
yes it would be fantastic if you could share any information if ofcourse we are linked......
Kind Regards
Darryl
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Hi Cous,
Just a quikie. Yes her father was George, brother George and a sister Maria.
George, was the eldest son's name for at least 3 generations.
Sue x
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Hi Cousin
thats amazing.....
when hectic xmas is over as i have only just started researching this part of my family(my mothers) it would be great to find out some more details......
I have a photo of Florence Cashmore & Percy Ralph Cope(1906 ish) holding there 1st born "Florrie"...if youre interested...
Kind Regards
Darryl
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hi, Ihave just returned from all xmas and newyear celebrations in different parts of the country, hence the late reply to your post.
Nothing at all to do with your ancestry, but my mother actually sang with Carol levis on the palace theatre under name of EveLynn your post brought back many memories.
thankyou.
paul
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Hi.
I was just scrolling through the requests and found this one. I put in a request quite a while ago for info on the Palace Theatre.
I have an old autograph book that must have come down from one of my Aunts, I asked for info on any of the acts, but didn't get very far!
The autographs are as follows :
Andrio Rodrigues Reos on 31 - 12 - 26
The Flying Reos on 1 - 1 - 1927
Whit Cunliffe
Billy O'Connor on 1 - 1 - 1927
Another one of The Flying Reos on 1 - 1 - 1927
Russell & West "Long & Short" 1927
Robert Maclachlan
Leslie Stuart/Smart
It was interesting to read the info that Mike from Leicester sent about the Palace.
I'm pleased to read you've found a rellie too !
Regards
Foz
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Hi
Im trying to help my mother trace her family history.
My great grandfather Frederick Warren Born 1903 on Churchgate Leicester.
In his teenage years possibly 13 -15 he was a Charlie Chaplain impersonator at the Palace Theatre for around 6 weeks until his father found out and banned him from working in the theatre.
We would love to know more if anyone has any information - maybe you ave an old flyer or programme with any details on. Perhaps he was a support act for someone famous!
We would really appreciate if anyone has any information of any use whether it be on my great grandfather or the palace theatre from around 1916 - 1920.
Many thanks
And also if anyone knows anything about Churchgate 1903 ish such as old photos etc... my great grandfather was born at number 64 which dosent seem to exist anymore, might be a furniture shop. Any info appreciated! wow this family history research is addictive!!
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This is stirring the old brain cells???
Is or was the Palace Theatre near the clocktower ... on the side where Argos is now??
If so --- I SANG--- on that stage in 1957.... at a pantomime??? bless...
xin
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hello,, i wonder if anyone can help,, my grandad sang on the palace theatre and since he died when i was tiny i would like some imformation on him, his name was harry moore and he sometimes had my mum tap dancing with him, her name is barbara,, he also used to sing on the clubs , any information would be greatly appreciated .
thanx all--sharon
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Hi Tufty-----Just come across this site by chance.
A bit late in the day but my family lived in Churchgate at No.73---otherside of the road to your relation.
The Palace was just around the corner and from his house he would have been able to nip down Mansfield Street and dodge into the stage door within a minute!
Our family also built the theatre as my Great Grandfather was a pal of Oswald Stoll---to our eternal shame we were also the family who demolished it!
I believe the round sign that used to be on the roof is in some garden in Skegness!
I will visit family archives to see if there are any records of that area of Churchgate.
Unfortunately my Grandfather was Churchgate fire warden during the second world war and burnt most of the records in case an incendary bomb hit the place!
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I am searching for any information about my great grandfater, Clifford Finch Hatton or my great grandmother, actress Jeannie T D robinson (stage name Renee Glendower).
I believe Clifford was manager of the Palace Theatre Leicester from 1908 - 1911 (and possibly the cinema next door?). He was estranged from my grandmother and (his daughter) so that is pretty much all we know about him.
Jeannie was American and returned there a few years after my grandmother was born where she died. Why she returned is a mystery as she left her children behind.
Any information to help piece together their movements during this time and perhaps where he /she went afterwards would be fantastic.
Thank you.
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You might know the following already:-
Clifford Finch Hatton
Birth 11 August 1871 in Hampton Middlesex
Death 25 December 1960 in Herne Bay / Canterbury Kent
1901 Census - Hartlepool, County Durham
Clifford F Hatton married Comedian born 1871 in Hampton, Middlesex
Ada F Hatton married Comedienne born 1873 Colchester, Essex
Two newspaper extracts:-
http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/12015/pages/213/page.pdf
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28995/pages/10386/page.pdf
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/33717/pages/3281/page.pdf
Photograph
http://www.stamps-auction.com/actress-miss-renee-glendower-old-real-photo-postcard-for-sale-61564
These would seem to be Jeanette. In both cases she is an actress but it gives her birth place as Scotland.
Name: Miss René Glendower
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Date of Arrival: 11 Sep 1912
Vessel: Royal George
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Bristol, England
Border crossing from Canada
Name: Jean Finch Hatton
Arrival Date: Oct 1914
Port of Arrival: St Albans, Vermont, United States
Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1877
Birth Country: Scotland
Gender: Female
It says she is a widow and has a brother but details are difficult to read.
Regards,
David
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Thank you David
Interested to read about Ada as not aware of her until now!
Not sure the info regarding Renee Glendower / Jeannie T D Robinson tallies with what I have so far. My information is that she came over from America to Southampton with a daughter called Madge Chalmers, met Clifford, married and had two further children before leaving for America again where she died only a few years later.
I was aware of Clifford's death and dates. Unfortunately Clifford's birth certificate has no mention of either parent so seem to be at a bit of a brick wall there.
My mother has spent some time researching this and I am stepping in to help so need to start trying to tie dates together as they obviously moved around a lot as travelling actors.
Thank you so much for your interesting information.
Lwal
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I have found some more on Renee Glendower but more confusion
1911 England Census
On Ancestry as Rence Glendower but publishing details not permitted on Rootschat
No sign of husband or children
1920 USA Census
As Hettie Renee Finch
(The image is clearly Finch Hatton)
A widow age 42, born in Scotland, in Minneapolis Ward 5, Hennepin, Minnesota
1930 USA Census
Back to Glendower again
Renee/Rence Glendower
A widow, born c1879 in Scotland, in Evanston, Cook, Illinois
I remember going to the Palace Theatre and the Floral Hall as a child and, by coincidence, lived in Glendower Close.
Regards,
David
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The 1911 and 1930 census records for Renee Glendower can be found on
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ARENEE~%20%2Bsurname%3AGLENDOWER
The 1920 record is on this link but the names are in the wrong order and should be Renee Finch Hettie, which is a transcription error for Renee Finch Hatton
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Hettie%20Renee%22~%20%2Bsurname%3AFinch
If you would like more detail, please send me a personal message.
Regards,
David
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The Finch Hatton children are here in 1911:-
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Afinch~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahatton~%20%2Bany_place%3A%22richmond%2C%20surrey%22~%20%2Bany_year%3A1911-1911
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Hi David
Thank you for the additional information!
I think the Renee Glendower information may be leading us off track as this was my great grandmother's stage name so I am not sure it would have been used in the census records - but you never know!
Interesting to hear about the children being in Richmond in 1911 as that certainly seems to correlate with information we have.
Many thanks!
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It is difficult to be absolutely certain and, as I have found out, family stories often become confused.
Looking at the evidence:-
Renee Glendower in 1911 is an actress born in Glasgow in 1875
Rene Glendower who went to Canada in 1912 is an actress born in Scotland in 1875
Jean Finch Hatton who crossed from Canada to the USA in 1914 is an actress born in Scotland in 1877.
It gives her brother as David Currie who lives in Polmont, Glasgow.
Up to now, I am certain that this is the same person who uses either her stage name or real name.
The 1920 census for Renee Finch Hatton gives her birth place as Scotland. The chances of there being two people with identical records are very small.
In 1930 she uses her stage name and the chances of there being two people of that name and birth place are probably even smaller.
The only difference is that she has a brother called Currie and you have her maiden name as Robinson. Perhaps David Currie is a brother-in-law. Without her marriage details to Clifford, it will be difficult to know for certain.
If you would like any extracts from the images, please send me a personal message.
David
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I have found another border crossing in 1924:-
Renee Glendower left from Winnipeg, as did Jean Finch Hatton in 1914. Again, she is Scottish and of a similar age.
Her Destination is Minneapolis, Minnesota, where Renee Finch Hatton was living in 1920.
David
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I forgot that there are two pages to the Canadian border crossings and the second page for that of Jean Finch Hatton confirms that she was born in Glasgow and arrived in Quebec on the same ship and same date as her alter ego, Renee Glendower.
On the 1920 census, Renee Finch Hatton is a saleslady in East 15th Street, Minneapolis, Minnesota.
She is listed twice in the street directory as:-
Renee Hatton, a saleswoman living at apartment 10, 22 East 15th Street, Minneapolis.
Hatten Renee J Finch, a saleswoman at Donaldson's living at apartment 10, 22 East 15th Street, Minneapolis.
There are no further records of this person.
However, in 1921, Renee Glendower is living there but at a different address and is now a nurse.
Renee Glendower, a nurse at 3452, 43rd Avenue, Minneapolis, Minnesota.
In 1927 she is Rene Glendower, widow of Claude (Clifford?), living at 3752 Colfax Avenue, Minneapolis.
In the 1928 Minneapolis directory, Mrs Rene Glendower is listed as having moved to Chicago, Illinois.
In 1930 she is a nurse living in Levington? Avenue, Evanston, Illinois.
There are no further records, which could mean that she remarried in or after 1930.
David
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I believe my Grandmother, Kate Barrs, was a dresser at the theatre around 1900s. Does anyone have any information about her?
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A person of that name appears on the 1901-1911 censuses, wife of Walter Barrs, but no occupation is given.
David
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Thanks David,
Yes that is her, she had first child 1902. What I am trying to find out is her maiden name before marrying Walter. So far had no luck.
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I can't find a marriage which should be c1899.
In her will, she named her daughter, Emma Kathleen, the wife of William Herbert Medhurst. They married in 1940 but both first names are incorrect in one index - Emme and Harbert.
It seems as though Emma's birth certificate, or one of her sisters, might be the only way of finding out.
David