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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Betty Boo on Friday 15 December 06 16:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
Just wondering if anyone can help with my grandmothers birth and also any information on her parents marriage.
My grandmother Mary Carney married Thomas Ferguson on 27th July 1903 in Dundee Scotland, she was aged 23 years. Her parents were John Carney who was listed as a Hairdresser and his wife Mary Carney (nee Kennedy). One of the witnesses was a Mary Carnie
I have since found out my grandmother was born in Newry County Down Ireland and as I can't find her or her parents in any census I now know they all did come from Ireland.
I have been trying to find the birth of my grandmother which would have been about 1880 going by her age of 23 years of age in 1903 when she married.
I am also trying to find her parents marriage but haven't had any luck so far. I think they would also have married in Down Ireland.
I never did know if my grandmother had any siblings either.
Can anyone help please. :)
Elizabeth
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I think a 1880 connection may be found in Mary Lennons superb work ie www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880c.htm
Carney, N., hair dresser, 4 Short Strand
Another useful Belfast site is being updated at the moment Glenravel Project, I would check out the Clifton Cemetry once it is back and running.
I did check out Carney in Ros Davies Co Down website use google to find, but I only looked for Marys, That website will give you clues for locations in Co Down Carney connections
Good Luck in Mary Lennons own words, Jim
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Hello Jim,
Thanks for the information on the Mary Lennon website and the Glenravel Project and the cemetery.
I have also never heard of the Ros Davies Co Down website either but I will try that one too.
The main problem I have is not knowing how to find Irish websites. As with my Thomas Collins born 1841 family from County Monaghan in Ireland whom I have been searching for 2 years!!
Many Many thanks for all the information you have given me, I will be very busy checking it out tonight.
Elizabeth
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Someone else or your good self is already searching for Collins in Co Monaghan
See www.familysearch.com
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 59
Entries that caught my eye were
ROBERT COLLINS
Christening: 10 APR 1819 Clones, Monaghan, Ireland
Parents:
Father: ROBT COLLINS Family
Mother: MARGT CRAWFORD
Johannis Collins
Christening: 11 MAR 1838 Mucknoe, Monaghan, Ireland
Parents:
Father: Gulielmus Flanigan Family
Mother: Marga Ferguson
but I didnt see your Thomas Collins, Good luck, Jim
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Hi again Jim,
I tried that website www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880c.htm gave me but it does say Carney, N., hair dresser, 4 Short Strand this maybe could be his father as the name is N. Carney, my great grandfather was John Carney.
Elizabeth
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hi Elizabeth there is 2 reg entries in the ulster historical society
Marriage Record KENNEDY MARY 1877 Newry & mourne
Marriage Record CARNEY JOHN 1877 Newry & mourne
Looks like they might be yours since the names place and dates tie in
but its £6 to view :(
http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?ai_home
Colette
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Hi Colette,
Where/How did you find that, is the web address you gave there Ancestry Ireland where I would find it??
Sorry I am just a bit shocked, I have been looking so a long for my grandmother birth but it does look like her parents, is it the marriage??
How do I view this?? Is there any chance my grandmother birth will be there i have the reference numbers and everything!!
Elizabeth
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Hi again Colette,
I know you are offline just now but I just had to have a look at the website address you gave me but I am lost as to where to go when I get onto it.
Can you please help?? I don't know where you are but I am in the UK and I think maybe you are elsewhere and in a different time zone to me.
Elizabeth
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Hi again Jim,
I tried that website www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880c.htm gave me but I couldn't see the Carney who was a hairdresser. My grandmother was born in Newry County Down.
Elizabeth
Hi Elizabeth
Carney, N., hair dresser, 4 Short Strand
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880c.htm
:)
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Hi Mary,
I did eventually find it thanks for your help!!
Elizabeth
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that's ok, I thought you would, I just wanted to use the santa smileys ;D
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Oh well then I will too.
Elizabeth ;D
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:D
can hardly type, fingers frozen, outside testing damn christmas bulbs... :'(
someone please ask for a look-up so I have an excuse to come in permanently ;D
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Hi Elizabeth Im in Belfast same time zone lol but busy with it being so close to christmas.
Now here is a site where you can get the details of your grandmothers birth her parents marriage etc
http://www.familyulster.com/family_ulster_records_BMD_requests.htm
The first site i gave you is the Ulster Historical Society just go to the link and at the top click online data bases.
Click here
http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php.
follow the instructions
I just looked at marraiges put in your grt grandas name then i did it again and put in your grt grans name and the 2 marraiges that had the same dates and places for those 2 names was the ones i put in my message.
colette
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Hi Colette
I just typed a whole page to you and it didn't register on Rootschat anyway.
Thanks for the two website I will go and try them both!!
You have been a great help can I just ask one more thing please!!
How do you order Birth or marriage certificates from Ireland??
I could order the marriage of my grandparents and my grans birth certificate.
I have a lot more Irish relatives still to find so it would be great to know just how you order the certificates from Ireland.
I can't thank you enough for all your help!!
Elizabeth
;)
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Hi Elizabeth, your best bet is to apply to the general Register office in Roscommon (which is in the south of ireland) as they have all the birth marriage and death records for all of ireland up to 1922.
Northern ireland GRO only has the marriage records after 1922 but Births from 1865. the link for the Roscommon GRO is
http://www.groireland.ie/about_us.htm
Good luck
Colette :)
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Hello again Colette,
I don't know about Irish records but with Scottish, if you want to order the certificate you have to have the exact date of the birth or marriage. Is it the same with Irish records too!!
Thanks for all your help again by the way, I don't think I ever would have found them without you!!
Elizabeth :) :)
p.s. Thats a lovely picture of your mother by the way, she really is lovely!!
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HI again Elizabeth thankyou for the compliment to my Mother She hasnt seen this Picture on my Conputer yet cant wait to show her.
Now bck to the task in hand, you can apply for a Photo copy of the information on the original register (its £6 while a cert is £11) give them as much info details of the birth, death or marriage as you can, i.e. full names, date and location of event, parent's names and occupations, mother's maiden names etc. the more information you give them the more chance they have of finding the records you are looking for.
The index and records are date based and are in a manual format so accurate dates would be ideal, or even correct year at least :) so if you tell them 1877 for the marriage they will look the whole year, They have been known to look a year either side too :)
Colette
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Hi Colette,
Thanks for all the information I will apply for a copy of the parents marriage and my grandmothers birth certificate.
Can I just thank you again for all your help, I never would have found them otherwise.
Hope you have everything organised for Christmas now, I am still trying to but have a few more small presents to buy yet.
Hope you and you family have a great christmas and santa brings you everything you asked for!! :)
Elizabeth