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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Genegenee on Saturday 09 December 06 20:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I've searched Freebmd for a birth which does not appear. I believe the details I have are correct. Can you help please?
Francis Dawes born Dec Qtr 1899 Scarborough
Father is also Francis and was I believe a Professor of Music.
I would like the Vol & Page number to order his birth cert.
Regards,
PS
I have resolved this issue. Francis Richard Dawes McKee. I would love to hear from anyone connected.
Jax :)
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As you have discovered FreeBMD is not full coverage. All BMDs are free to search on ancestry.co.uk - choose the full version. I have had a quick look and did not see him at that time. Are you sure of the date and place?
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
That was quick lol. Thank you for looking.
The info I have is 2nd'hand but it's believed to be correct but you know how things come out of the woodwork in genee!
I know that this Francis Dawes is the Grandson of Richard Dawes, surgeon of Marylebone but his father Francis dissappears on census returns before he married.
Regards,
Jax
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I can't find him in the 1901 census either. The only Francis Dawes in Sussex is in Seaford and is not a professor of music. He has a son called Leslie F age 4. Where have you got your information from? Can you quote details from a marriage certificate or something?
Andrea
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I have now found Richard with son Francis Edward age 7 in 1871. He was born in Hampstead. However I agree that he is elusive on later census records!
Do you know who he married?
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
My source is this persons son who is Canadian. We have tried to search for his Grandfather Francis' marriage and death with no luck. This Francis married in Canada but we have no cert.
I found the Grandfather lodging in Hampshire as a single man on ? census but nothing since then.
I thought that the Grandfather probably went to Canada with his young family but apparently not as my source has letters etc about his father going "up" to London to visit his Grandmother on the train in 1906............! perhaps I'll try the telephone directories.
Something doesn't seem quite right but I'll keep plodding along.......oh the joys of genee lol.
Thanks again for your help - it is appreciated.
Jax :)
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If you order the certificate from the local registry office rather than the GRO, then you don't need the GRO index number. You would just give them the details you know (name, year and quarter) and try that. If you want to avoid paying for the wrong certificate, then you can add things like parents name, but only if you are really sure (otherwise they may not send you one that is otherwise right).
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Hi,
Thank you - it must be worth a try.
I've just discovered that Sussex tel dir not yet avail!
Jax
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You would need to know the registration district though. Sussex is an enormous county with a lot of local register offices!
Is it possible his first name was not Francis? There are very few Dawes entries in Sussex. I suspect the year is wrong - and to be sure of the quarter is unusual too as it may have been registered late. When do you think his birthday was?
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
I can't really be sure of his first name but his son is sure that he was Francis Richard Dawes born Dec 1899 - he did tell me the date but it's in an email somewhere :-\
We don't know where abouts in Sussex although he did mention Craggwood but I've searced that with no joy.
I'm not having a lot of luck am I :'(
You are kind spending time on this for me - thank you.
Jax
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Where is Craggwood?
I think you need to go through all the births systematically and look for this one. Widen your date range quite considerably. Sort out what you know as fact. When were his children born? That might help to find his marriage in Canada. When did he die? Put a request on the Canada board to see if you can get a certificate and check his age then. Famil memories are often wrong. I know how old my Dad was when he died but I often get the year wrong!
Did Richard leave a will? Does it mention his grandchildren?
Lots of avenues to explore but a search of the births is the first one.
Andrea
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Hi jram
I have found a Frank Dawes born O/N/D 1898 in Cuckfield which is in Sussex. The GRO no. 2b 146. I looked in 1898/99 and 1900.
Hope this doesn't confuse the issue even more!!!!!
Suziq
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Hiya,
Thanks for taking the time to look for me. I did see this Frank but I have the DOB from this persons son and the full name so I'm a bit loathed to send for the cert.
Jax :)
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That particular Frank is a son of Roselle Daws of Ardingly who is a widow in 1901.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
That's really helpful as I know my Francis Dawes is the son of Francis Dawes.
Thank you.
Jax
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You never said where Craggwood is. That would help pin down the birth place. I cannot find it. Was it a house or a place? You said you had checked it.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
My source thought it was a place in Sussex but after searching the net I never found it. I did find a Craggwood in Leeds but my source is very vague with info - bless him.
I have emailed Brighton reg office for help!
I found out that this Francis Dawes was in the Highland Light Infantry of Canada. I now suspect he was born elswhere but lived in Sussex for a few years as a young boy. I'm sure it will all come clear in the end.
Jax
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Hi All,
Sorry - it turns out that this Francis Richard Dawes may have been born in Scarborough.
I now have his emigration record that state his mother Eleanor lived in Felbridge, East Grinstead circa 1923.
Any information gratefully rec'd.
Thank you
GG
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Hi all :)
This doesn't look easy - I really can't see a likely candidate on the census.
No BMD either. Doing a search on only his first name and birth place, I find this birth registration:
Francis Richard D McKee - Dec 1899 Scarborough 9d 397
I'm wondering if the D stands for Dawes ...