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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: corbie on Saturday 09 December 06 18:59 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping one of you great people on this site can help me.
My Grand parents WILLIAM and LILIAN HYATT lived at
8 ISLINGWORD ROAD BRIGHTON
It was a local shop. I'm wondering what is there now?
Also my Gran was a devout catholic and went to mass 3 times every day! I would like to find which church it was she went to. I remember it wasn't far from where they lived as she would take me with her when we went to visit for our hol's. She died in 1954 and I'm trying to locate the church and where she could be buried.
As I live in Toronto Canada I cannot go to Brighton myself to look for them.
Any help would be greatfully received.
Thankyou in advance
Corbie
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Part of an answer.
Use www.multimap.com and stick in the street and town.
Then on the RHS there is a little drop-down menu which wil show "Places of Worship".
Pauline
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Hi Pauline,
Thankyou for your reply.
I have already gone that route which gave me an idea of what there is in the area.
Much appreciated thanks again
Corbie
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If you look at genuki.com it may list all churches in Brighton. There are several very close to that road but our map does not name them. Just googling for RC churches in Brighton might work too. Is it the diocese of Arundel?? I think so. The C of E ones are in the Chichester diocese I know.
Andrea
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Hi Corbie
Having a quick look, there is St.Joseph R.C Church at Hanover, Elm Grove, Brighton which is just up the road from Islingword Road so that may be the one you are looking for. I couldn't see anymore that were any closer. Hope that may help.
Suziq :)
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I'm just popping out to the shops and Islingword is a few hundred yards away. I'll have a wander down and see whats there now.
Back in a few minutes....
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Right, back now...
I wasn't sure which way Islingword was numbered, so didn't know whether 8 was at the bottom or the top.
Its numbered from the bottom, so 8 Islingword is within spitting distance of St Josephs at the bottom of Elm Grove. I would say that was the church she went to. Their website is http://www.stjosephsbrighton.co.uk/
As far as I know, it doesn't have a graveyard, at least not on the same site, so it is probable that your gran is buried in Brighton Cemetery up Bear Road. Brighton City council have an online service for requesting info on burials in Brighton cemeteries (http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=c1001142)
As for 8 Islingword Road, its a little house now called Ashberry Cottage and is no longer a shop of any kind
Here's a photo. Number 8 is the one with the bright window. Sorry about the quality, but its dark out there....
Glen
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Glen,
I wonder if anyone was watching this mad person running up and down the street with a camera,taking photos of houses :D :D
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Glen,
I wonder if anyone was watching this mad person running up and down the street with a camera,taking photos of houses :D :D
Ah, thats the benefit of having mobile phones with cameras. I was very discrete and (hope) I looked like I was making a call!!! ;D
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WOW!!!
Thankyou so very much! How kind of you ALL to go to this trouble for me.
Glen the photo is fantastic and thankyou for the e-mail address's I will contact the church and council for more info'.
Once again I'm in debt to you wonderful folk on this site.
MERRY XMAS to you ALL
Corbie
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Hi Corbie
I'll try to remember to wander past on Saturday and take a picture in daylight. Hopefully the van will have moved as well
Here's how close the house is to the front door of St Josephs, taken form the exceedingly great Microsoft (I can't believe I just used the words "great" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence!) site www.local.live.com.
This image is obviously copyright Microsoft, but I couldn't figure how to mark it up without posting it. The correct link for it is
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=sg4rt6gzpbwq&style=o&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=4351606
Glen
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That's GREAT! Glen
Thankyou so very much. I now know that is the church my Gran went to. I recognise the entrance I was only 6yrs old the last time I was there.It is so good of you to do all this for me.
Thanks again
Corbie
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Hi there.
I have enjoyed evesdropping your correspondance and think that in all probability, St Josephs of Elm Grove was the right church, for it is the only Catholic Church in the immediate area.
You may also like to know that from the 1880s the church had a school for Catholic children opposite it, and most of their parishoners sent their children there. That school was then relocated to Davey Drive in Brighton in 1957, and I used to teach there. Before their original registers were sent to the County Archives in Lewes several years ago, I wrote a pocket history of the original school which might also prove of interest. You should find a copy in St Josephs in Davey Drive, Brighton if you feel other family members also went there.
Roy G
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Hi Roy G,
You can evesdrop all you want to. After all this is a public site.
How good of you to let me know about St Josephs school. I can only assume that,"The Boys" as we call my Dad and his 4 brothers now, would have attended there. At least a couple of them.
They have all passed now, so I can't ask about it. All we do know is that they were taught by "nuns" who were very strict!
Was it nuns who were the teachers there? If so it will be the right school for them and I would be really be interested in your little book about it. I will have to get intouch with the school and find out if they would be willing to make a copy of it for me. Unless you know of anywhere else there would be one. What a small world we live in these days!
Thankyou so much for your info'
Corbie
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Here you go, Corbie
Slightly easier to see than the other one, and from a different angle, but I couldn't get a decent shot as the van had moved even more in front of the house.
I need a better camera-phone as well!
Glen
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Hi Corbie
The booklet (about 40 pqges) was called "Where we Once Were".
It initially dealt with the origins of the church, but then focused on the school in 1880 when it was set up for the children of the Irish Dragoons at the local barracks with money donated from the estate of a late Catholic who held shares in the Suez Canal. It included copies of the original plans for the school, remeniscences and early photographs of the children and nuns loaned by descenents of former parishoners.
Although I would love to help you further with paste in abstracts, the text was on my original Amstrad computer that has long since died and in those days any illustrations were just photocopied on the school's machine and physically pasted into the booklet in the alotted spaces. My own copy was loaned out and sadly never came back before I moved abroad permanently.
Yours Roy G
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Thankyou so much Glen.
It's really good of you to do that for me. You camera works fine, I don't even have a mobile phone let alone a phone cam'!
Now I know I'm being "cheeky" but do you know if Ashton Street still exists in Brighton? As my uncle "Bill Hyatt" used to own a greengrocery shop at number 8. I can't find it on the maps only Ashton Rise. Would that be the same street?
I'm not "greedy" I just like a "lot" !!
Thankyou again
Sue (corbie)
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Hi Roy G'
What a shame your own copy disappeared. I will contact the school and see if they would be willing to make a copy for me, if they still have it. It could be a project for a couple of the student's.
Thanks again
Sue (corbie)
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I note that St Josephs Primary School has a website at
http://www.stjosephsprimary.moonfruit.com
That might be an easier way to make the initial contact.
You will also find that by going onto "search" with the "St Josephs Catholic Church Brighton" criterion, there is a lot more info about the church itself including some contact names.
Roy Grant
(in Budapest)
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Now I know I'm being "cheeky" but do you know if Ashton Street still exists in Brighton? As my uncle "Bill Hyatt" used to own a greengrocery shop at number 8. I can't find it on the maps only Ashton Rise. Would that be the same street?
Hi Sue
I've just been having a look through some books to try to find Ashton Street. It no longer exists, but Ashton Rise is in almost the same area.
This whole area of Brighton known as Albion Hill, was gradually redeveloped after WW2 and Ashton Street was demolished in the late 1950's to make way for, in my opinion, some rather hideous blocks of flats. Number 8 would have probably been very near to the Albion Hill end of the road and would have been somewhere under either the Thornhill block or the Lee Bank block of flats.
The houses were very similar in size and design to the ones up Islingword, as were and are most of the houses in the area.
I used to walk through that area almost every evening on my way home from work in the summer. Albion Hill is not fun to walk up, being one of the steepest streets in town, but luckily I used to cut through at the bottom. I'd hate to live at the top!
It's within spitting distance of Islingword Road, and would have been a minute or two's walk away (okay, a very long spit, but you know what I mean!)
The Brighton History Centre may have some photos of the street, so next time I manage to get down there I'll have a look and see if I can get copies. When I'm there, I'll also see if they have a copy of Roy's booklet.
Glen
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Two things.
It is unlikely that the history centre has a copy of the booklet because it was never published, just a few photocopies of the original run off on the school's photocopier for interested parties. If you have no success, I'll try dusting off the old computer and see if I can kick start it to find the text at least.
On the plus side, the "MY Brighton" Website has a photo of Ashton Street taken over 50 years ago and remeniscences of 2 people who used to live there. I was going to paste the text in, but copyright dictates that you look at the site yourself.
http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/page_id__7726.aspx
It is also interesting to note that in the mid 20th century there was not a single car in the street for car ownership amongst the working classes had yet to happen. Today, those streets in that area that did survive the bulldozer, have cars parked nose to tail on both sides of the road and it is almost impossible to pass any oncoming vehicle.
Roy G
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Thankyou,
Glen and Roy G, it's so good of you both to do this for me.
I'm getting ready for my Xmas guests arriving today. So it's going to be a while before I can do more research.
Have a great Xmas everyone
Sue
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Hi Corbie
I've found a copy of the St Josephs text and some illustrations if you are still interested. If so, E-mail me direct (*) and I will send it as an attachment
Roy G
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Roy,
You need to remove or adapt your email if you don't Want a spammer to pick it up. (Use the modify button) Putting AT rather than @ will work or using the personal message facility. Anything to prevent this awful spam!
Andrea