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Title: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Saturday 09 December 06 18:55 GMT (UK)
 Hi all
 
 i am trying to find  my  grandfather Thomas Crowley,s family in Loughnageer  Clongeen Wexford .
  All that i now is that Peter Crowley married a Johanna Whelane (Whelan)and that her mother was Catherine Whelane. Any help would be great.
                                   
                                                         Steve ??? :(
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: heywood on Saturday 09 December 06 21:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,
what years are you looking at here/
best wishes
heywood
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Saturday 09 December 06 21:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Heywood
Peter was born around 1856 and Johanna around  1863 and Catherine around 1829. Any help would be great
                               Steve
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: heywood on Sunday 10 December 06 10:13 GMT (UK)
Hello Steve,
I assumed that you didn't have the 1901 census info as you say you only know their names.
This site: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com
only has the name indexes of the census but shows your family living with Catherine in Loughnageer. There are several Whelanes in Loughnageer but no Crowleys.
As this all seemed familiar I rechecked and found that I have already given you the census info in February
The census- together with the 1911 census is available to order on microfilm through LDS family history centres. It doesn't look as though parish records are there but 'googling' Clongeen shows that you can pay for research (usually costly). http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=2540&civilparish=Clongeen&citycounty=Wexford
This site: http://www.failteromhat.com (Griffiths Valuation section) has info from around 1850s again shows Whelan/es in Loughnageer but no Crowleys.
This site: http://www.from-ireland.net/lewis/wex/clongeen.htm gives a very brief outline of the civil parish of Clongeen in 1830s - not much info but it adds a bit.
You can get BMD certificates for any born after 1865 - again you can usually search the indexes at LDS centres.
This also comes up in a 'google' but there is no year to reference the obituary (obviously recent) http://www.munster-express.ie/obituaries/obit_whelan%20maureen.html but it may give you somewhere to write to to pursue your enquiries.
I do hope this helps
heywood
Title: Re: Whelan/Crowley
Post by: Hatslip on Sunday 11 February 07 06:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

Whilst I can't connect up your family to mine I am also researching Whelans of Loughnageer and do have quite a few Whelan names. 
I don't see any Crowley in the Griffith's Valuation for Clongeen or Ballylannan civil parishs so perhaps the Crowleys didn't originate there?  I know there are some Crowleys still living within a few miles of Clongeen.

E in Sydney.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Sunday 11 February 07 21:38 GMT (UK)
 Hi E

  All  i know is that  my grandfather (Thomas Crowley)was born in1889 in loughnageer.His father was Peter Crowley and he married Johanna Whelane.Johannas mother was Catherine Whelane ,she was a widow in1901.I have now hit a brick wall .So any info you may have would great.

                                                          STEVE     
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Hatslip on Wednesday 04 July 07 06:02 BST (UK)
Steve,
In June I spoke to a lovely 86 year old man - Kevin Whelan of Loughnageer, and mentioned the Crowley connection.  He said that Johanna Whelan who married Peter Crowley was a sister of Tom Whelan, who was probably a Whelan of Ballycullane rather than a Whelan of Loughnageer (but he wasn't sure). 

He said they had lots of children including Mrs Pat Stafford who has a shop in Ballycullane and her daughter married a son of Kevin (above) whose name I seem to have written down incorrectly so if you'd like it I'll see if I can get it for you.

Hope this helps,
Eileen in Sydney
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Thursday 05 July 07 21:16 BST (UK)
Hi Eileen.
Thanks for the reply.Do you know if the shop in Ballycullane run by Margaret Stafford.Margaret (Crowley) Stafford was my grandfathers sister.Any info  you have would be great.
                                  Steve
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Hatslip on Friday 06 July 07 01:52 BST (UK)
No, but if you look in the Irish phone book http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/ you will see two Staffords in Ballycullane.

If you wish to write to them (presuming you live outside Ireland) you can just address it to Mrs. Stafford at the shop in Ballycullane, Co. Wexford and I'm positive it will get there.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: desiw1 on Sunday 22 August 10 15:42 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, Joan Cronin who owned the little shop in Ballycullane was my aunt. Her mother (my Grandmother) was Margaret Stafford nee Crowley.
BTY - Kevin Whelan of Loughnageer is my uncle.
I'll ask my mother about the Crowley's when I talk to her. If you want to send her a letter:
Molly Whelan
Ballycullane, New Ross, Co. Wexford.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Monday 23 August 10 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi desiw1 thanks for your reply.I will get in touch soon.
    Good luck in your search.
                Steve
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Hatslip on Tuesday 24 August 10 07:12 BST (UK)
The picture is starting to build up for you Steve.
Now you know your grandaunt Margaret Stafford nee Crowley had at least two daughters: Joan (later Cronin) and Molly (later Whelan).
You know from the 1901 census (online) the approximate dates of birth of your grandfather Thomas and most of his family, who lived in Loughnageer.
You know from the 1911 census (online) that at age 20 Thomas was working on Martin Shannon's farm in loughnageer.
You know from the 1911 census (online) that his parents, in Loughnageer, were married 31 years and had eight children.  This number implies a marriage in 1880 but as the first child was born around 1885-1886 I would suggest they were married later than this.  The name Peter Crowley is fairly uncommon so you may find this record is his http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#marriagePlaceId=1928899&marriagePlaceLoc1=Wexford%2C%20Ireland&searchType=close&givenName=peter&surname=crowley&p=recordResults  as it matches the record for a Johanna Whelan marrying at the same time.  In which case if you go to the GRO site you can order the marriage certificate which should tell you the names of their fathers.

If you do that please let us now the names and where they were from.  Especially if Catherine's husband turns out to have been from Loughnageer not Ballycullane.
Good Luck,
Eileen
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: desiw1 on Tuesday 24 August 10 14:41 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: desiw1 on Tuesday 24 August 10 14:42 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Hatslip on Monday 23 May 11 04:19 BST (UK)
s... if you go to the GRO site you can order the marriage certificate which should tell you the names of their fathers.
Hello again Steve,
I wonder if you ever found out if the Whelan father was from Loughnageer?
Eileen
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Wednesday 19 October 11 20:25 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Wednesday 19 October 11 20:34 BST (UK)
Hi desiw1
Sorry for the delay in answering your post.Margaret Stafford(Crowley)was the sister of my Grandfather Thomas Crowley.Any info you have would be great.I can then pass it on to his Daughters. (my mum)
                     
                                         Steve
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Hatslip on Monday 31 October 11 00:33 GMT (UK)
The name Peter Crowley is fairly uncommon so you may find this record is his  .... as it matches the record for a Johanna Whelan marrying at the same time.  In which case if you go to the GRO site you can order the marriage certificate which should tell you the names of their fathers.

Steve,
I wonder if you ever got the parents & residence details from their marriage cert?
Eileen
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Jack2227 on Thursday 10 November 11 19:44 GMT (UK)
1798 Claimants; Wexford;

Crowley Margaret; (widow) Ferns
Leather-Shoes-Windows broken
£3-6-9
=========
Jack
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: WhelanGannon on Sunday 05 September 21 18:00 BST (UK)
Hi.
Re Margaret Crowley - my grandmother. Who married Patrick Stafford Ballycullane.
Her father Peter Crowley lived with my Grand mother until
His death.
Peter’s father name was Thomas Crowley.
Johanna Crowley nee Whelan Father was John Whelan.
If you wish to know more
Please let me know. I have pictures of our great grand father Peter Crowley. I also have his son Thomas Crowley on a visit back to Ireland in 1970s
Sandra Whelan.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 05 September 21 19:53 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat  :)

This thread was last active in November 2011, but some of the posters may respond.

For others reading, here are some links.

Re Margaret Crowley - my grandmother. Who married Patrick Stafford Ballycullane.
Her father Peter Crowley lived with my Grand mother until
His death.
Peter’s father name was Thomas Crowley.
Johanna Crowley nee Whelan Father was John Whelan.

Marriage of Patrick Stafford to Margaret Crowley in 1918.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09705/5520801.pdf

Margaret Crowley's birth in 1894 at Loughnageer.   MMN Whelan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02258/1849132.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-west/clongeen/clongeen/loughnageer/

Marriage of Peter CROWLEY to Johanna WHELAN in 1884.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10920/5989754.pdf

1901 census - house 11 in Loughrager (sic) (Clongeen, Wexford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Clongeen/Loughrager/1796369/

1911 census - house 11 in Loughnageer (Clongeen, Wexford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Clongeen/Loughnageer/687004/

Probable death of John Whelan in 1879 at Loughnageer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06495/4869859.pdf

KG

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 05 September 21 20:04 BST (UK)

Stafford/Crowley births - New Ross SRD

Margaret 1919
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01254/1520980.pdf

Patrick 1920
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qwg/

Ballycullane townland
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelburne/tintern/tintern/ballycullane/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3364422#map=12/52.2433/-6.7738

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Sunday 05 September 21 20:25 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra
 Great to hear from you.Any info you have would be brilliant.If you would like any thing regarding the Crowleys from me let me know.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 05 September 21 20:43 BST (UK)

For others reading, marriage of Catherine Crowley to Laurence Murphy in 1911. Margaret Crowley was her sister's witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09960/5621624.pdf

1901 census - house 1 in Saintleonards (Tintern, Wexford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Tintern/Saintleonards/688738/

Saintleonards townland
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelburne/tintern/tintern/saintleonards/

KG

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 05 September 21 21:13 BST (UK)

........marriage of Catherine Crowley to Laurence Murphy in 1911. Margaret Crowley was her sister's witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09960/5621624.pdf

Children born to the Murphy/Crowley marriage.

Richard 1912
Peter 1913
Laurence 1915
Thomas 1916
Johanna 1919

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qwh/

KG

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Sunday 05 September 21 21:35 BST (UK)
Hi again Sandra
Thanks for all the info .I am a bit confused on your info on Thomas my grand dad he died in 1943 from a heart attack.He was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers  in ww1.
 All the best
   Steve
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: WhelanGannon on Sunday 05 September 21 23:20 BST (UK)
Thomas Crowley I refer to is father of Peter Crowley.
Your Great Great Grandfather.
He is mentioned on Peter Crowleys marriage certificate to Johanna Whelan.
We know nothing of his origin from Church records as we do mot know where he originated from. County or Parish.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 06 September 21 10:39 BST (UK)

Might this be the marriage of Laurence Crowley in 1918?
To Lizzie Sinnott at Wexford RC Church
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09722/5527890.pdf

KG

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Monday 06 September 21 17:15 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra  I think you are right about Laurence’s marriage in 1918 .Why I said I was confused about Thomas was that you mentioned the picture from the 1970s.Is it okay to send you my email address through a personal message.
All the best
   STEVE
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: WhelanGannon on Monday 06 September 21 17:38 BST (UK)
Yes. Prefer to go through person email to share .
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Sandra
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 06 September 21 17:54 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra  I think you are right about Laurence’s marriage in 1918 .

Errrh, I think you will find that I found the marriage!  ::)

Use https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp



Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Monday 06 September 21 18:01 BST (UK)
Hi
Sorry my mistake.
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 06 September 21 18:13 BST (UK)
Hi
Sorry my mistake.

Not a problem, Steve  ;D
Enjoy your contact with Sandra.
If either of you need any help, just post  ;)

KG

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Tuesday 14 September 21 16:19 BST (UK)
HI
Kiltaglassan
 Have you any idea how I could find Thomas Crowleys  army service record.He was in the Royal Dublin Fusillers  number 31506.I am going around in circles.
Thanks Steve
Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 15 September 21 07:59 BST (UK)
HI
Kiltaglassan
 Have you any idea how I could find Thomas Crowleys  army service record.He was in the Royal Dublin Fusillers  number 31506.I am going around in circles.
Thanks Steve

Steve,

If his service record has survived (with over 60% of WW1 service records burnt during the WW2 blitz), then those that survived are on Ancestry or FindMyPast which as you probably know are subscription sites.

Currently don't have a subscription to either.

You could contact the Royal Dublin Fusiliers website to see if they can help.
https://royaldublinfusiliers.com/contact/

Best of luck  :D

KG

Title: Re: whelane/crowley
Post by: STEVE 34 on Monday 29 November 21 19:50 GMT (UK)
Hi all 
 I  am hoping for a bit of help with some some names my 3 great grand parents  were Thomas  Crowley and Brigit Staples(Stapleton) from Bannow but all i could find was a Thoman  Crowley and Brigam  Stapleton  from Carrick on bannon could these be the same people the date are very close and i cant find any else to match
                  Thanks for looking
                                   Steve