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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: Jamesf on Tuesday 16 November 04 15:43 GMT (UK)
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Help! I'm looking for any info on John Phimister who married Janet Torey (b17.6.1781) on 9.12.1801.
Any info on John or his parents would be great. He may have been born in Birnie, Moray.
That's about all I know.
Thanks
James
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John Phimister & Janet Torrie/Torey are my direct ancestors.
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have an update -at last... :D
John Phimister b. 5 Sep 1770 to Robert Pheemister/ Phimister & Margret Dunbar in Birnie (they were married 26 Dec 1766)
he has sister Janet b.24 Oct 1767, and 2 brothers Robert b. 24 Jan 1772 and Alexander b. 7 June 1774
John's father Robert had a brother William Fimister (note the vicar differentiated between the two brothers by changing the spelling of their surnames).
William married Helen Robb and had issue
John is Phimister
William is Fimister and their father and grandfather were Pheemister.
all within 2 years of records... hence difficulty finding them.
But Robert Pheemister's father also Robert Pheemister died in 1770, and left a will of sorts which was noted 2 years later 1772.
It mentions him leaving his possessions to his 2nd wife Isabel McKenzie.
Also mentions that Robert Pheemister Jr is at Newlands of Shoggle, Birnie which is where his son John was also, with Janet Torey till he died.
Robert Pheemister senior and son William Pheemister were in partnership at Bardonside Farm Birnie. with William owning 1 fourth share.
No mention of Robert Pheemister seniors 1st wife and presumably mother of Robert Jr & William.
But at least we've moved back 2 more generations.
BUT as they are the only Phimisters in Birnie Parish, and the Will links all of them together, The odds are pretty high they are indeed the right ones.
This would also explain the names John & Janet gave their children
Margaret, Jean, Robert, Janet,Ann, John, Joseph,Alexander, Isobel, Elizabeth & Mary .
-Margaret married John Baron in Birnie 21Dec1825 and Mary married John Scott 31 Dec 1843.
I can't see me getting any further back on the Phimisters but you never know...
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Thanks, for that, any info you can give me on the Torey side would be greatly appreciated.
regards
James
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Torey info, sorry took so long but my family tree PC was powerless for 4 months.
Mercifully it's back working, so this is taken from it.
It definitely needs to be double checked, as it's so long ago that I got the Torey details.
Janet Torey daughter of Joseph Torrie b.23 Nov 1746 Birnie & Margaret Anderson (I have no info on her)
Joseph, son of George Torrie b.1709 Dyke & Janet Bremor b.15 April 1710 in Rothes
George, son of David Torie b.1681
David, son of James Torie b.1648 in Drainie
James, son of David Torrie
Janet Bremor,daughter of Alexander Bremmer d.1724 & Isobell Roy d. before 1724
both born approx 1685.
They were buried Rothes Kirkyard, and someone did post the monument inscription for them online about 5 years ago, but I can't now find it.
They had quite a large family, and the details gave dates for most of them.
If your investigations throw up any different info for the Torey/Torie/Torrie family please let me know.
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Thanks again, if I find anything else I will let you know
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Hello,
Just curious about some things. My name is Lisa Torey. I am married to Timothy Torey of Wa state. His family line can only be traced to Roy Alonzo Torey of Canada.
My husbands grandfather, was Roy Farnsworth Torey born in Edmonton Alberta Canada. Roy Alonzo m Dorothy Farnsworth (unfortuantely I do not have the dates currently in front of me). We at one point thought that Roy Alonzo came from the descendant line of Alexander George Torey from Scotland in the mid 1800's but the dates do not match up.
Roy Alonzo served in WWI with 16th Calgary Highlanders, but unfortunately his military records did not turn up any birth info, he died somewhere in the midwest US. My husbands grandfather (Roy Farnsworth) died in 1998 and unfortunately did not turn up any information on his father...any help would be greatly appreciated. We do believe that this line of Torey's is also connected somehow with the Torey's in Massachuesetts and New Hampshire, as Dorothy Farnsworth Torey was from the line of William Farnsworth of Washington, New Hampshire.
Sincerely,
Lisa Torey
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Leslie,
I noticed you said that Elizabeth m Charles Grant, my husbands grandfather did tell us before his death that his mother said that there was Grant/Frazier linage on the side of Roy Alonzo Torey... just FYI, maybe with your help we could put this together. I will be glad to pull my records out and share them with you. I do know that an article came out shortly after WWI, which stated "Roy Torey visiting relatives in Haverhill, was recently discharged from service with a Canadian Regment." This was from a newpaper in Boston.
Thanks,
Lisa Torey
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My name is John phimister and i am a direct decedent of phimister/ torey. My great grandfather james live in and died in Elgin high st, his son James killed in the first world war is misspelt on the Elgin war memorial. My grandfather John ( jack) moved to Fife when the great war finished and the family now lives in Kirkcaldy. I am also called Jack
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James and William Phimister - remembered on the Elgin War Memorial.
'We will remember them.'
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r242/StuartRoxy/Elgin/IMG_0743.jpg)
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(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r242/StuartRoxy/Elgin/IMG_0747.jpg)
Name: PHIMISTER, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st/6th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 21/08/1918
Service No: 42575
Additional information: Son of Annie Phimister, of 18, Culbard St., Elgin, and the late Randolph Phimister.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. E. 14.
Cemetery: ANZIN-ST. AUBIN BRITISH CEMETERY
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James Phimister
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r242/StuartRoxy/Elgin/IMG_0744.jpg)
Name: PHIMISTER
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Age: 35
Date of Death: 21/04/1918
Service No: 3/7848
Additional information: Son of James and Isabella Phimister, of High St., Elgin; husband of Martha Phimister, of 72, Second Avenue, Radnor Park, Clydebank.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. E. 2.
Cemetery: ST. VENANT-ROBECQ ROAD BRITISH CEMETERY, ROBECQ
2 Phimisters on the Elgin war Memorial.
Stuart
I'll get a better photo of the inscription of James later.
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Hi James and John Phimister too and any other of my direct descendant cousins of the John Phimister and Janet Torey...
At long long long last have found some indication of when Janet's hubbie John Phimister died.
Newspaper Article:
Dundee Courier Wed 22 March 1882
"Death of a Centenarian.- a woman named Janet Torry or Phimister died the other day at Kirkhill in the Parish of Rothes, Elginshire at the advanced age of one hundred years. She was the widow of John Phimister, at one time tenant of the farm of Edinburgh, now included in the farm of Shogle, Birnie parish, but who predeceased her by the period of 54 years. Her family were eleven in number and they have all of course now reached an advanced period of life. Although far from active in her last days, she retained her mental powers to the hour of her death. Had she lived till June next, she would have reached her 101st year."
With that little nugget, we can put John Phimister's death as c.1828.
Even though no burial record exists for him.
Hope that helps a bit towards a more complete tree for you too.
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Hi, my husband is David Phimister, he is a descendant of Robert Phimister and Msrgaret Dunbar. His great great Grandmother was Florence Phimister, she had a son Jack Mackenzie Phimister. His father was Jack Mackenzie but Florence married Alexander Grant. Her son Jack Mackenzie Phimister seems to have dropped Mackenzie name. Would you happen to know what happened to Jack. All we know he was born in 1911, he had a son Jack Gordon Phimister which is my Husband's father. Also my husband David would like to talk with you if you are related.
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Hi, my husband is David Phimister, he is a descendant of Robert Phimister and Msrgaret Dunbar. His great great Grandmother was Florence Phimister, she had a son Jack Mackenzie Phimister. His father was Jack Mackenzie but Florence married Alexander Grant. Her son Jack Mackenzie Phimister seems to have dropped Mackenzie name. Would you happen to know what happened to Jack. All we know he was born in 1911, he had a son Jack Gordon Phimister which is my Husband's father. Also my husband David would like to talk with you if you are related.
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