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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: ruthy on Thursday 07 December 06 11:48 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for a John Craggs who was born approx 1820, and his parents.
I have him in subsequent census', and all but 1851 put him from "Chapel in Weardale" - 1851 puts him from Stanhope which comes under the same umbrella I think. In 1841 he was in the Lanchester workhouse from what I can see, and described as a builder.
I have contacted the Durham records Office who could find nothing for a John Craggs in Stanhope or St John's Chapel, but did say there were Craggs families (at least 3) living there 1813 and 1827. If anyone has any info on these families around this time which might give me a lead I would be most grateful.
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hi
i to am searchin for my ancestors in weadale durham
i have a joseph craggs born in weardale abt 1820 but i am stuck on his parent
if you have any information that might be any use please get in touch
as i too may be able to help you
you never no we may have a connection
regards
makayla
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Hiya Ruthy just answered Makayla on her Craggs,Yes St Johns Weardale use to come under Stanhope(info off Genuki)
Stanhope Marriage
William Craggs to Mary Ann Lee
15th Nov 1817
Welsh Lady
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Looks like you might have a connection with Makayla.Think youll have to send for John Craggs marriage cert to Jane do you know her maiden name?.This will give you their Fathers names occupations which will help you get back further
Welsh Lady
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Hi Welsh Lady and Makayla,
Interesting reading, and I am very curious to now try to see if either of us link into the William.
Perhaps there is a link with you Makayla. The records office said there were several Craggs families in St John's Chapel. I have scoured the marriage registers for the time approx when there may have been a marriage, between John and Jane, and can only find a John Craggs marrying in 1845 in Houghton le Spring (which is where "Jane" comes from acc to the census') I have their first recorded child (Thomas) being born in 1850. It could be them, and I might send away for the certificate to see if anything useful comes to light. I would have expected to see children earlier than 1850, but maybe there were and they died. It is possible that there was another marriage in 1849, because the marriage records only have 2 quarters of the year available...... Other than that I am still struggling to get anything concrete on this John pre the 1841 census when he wasn't married.
Does your Joseph have any brothers that you know of Makayla?
I will send for the marriage certificate and feed back any info.
Many thanks
Ruthy
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hi ruthy
you never know we may have a connection . i will have a look through my information and get back to you later once i have worked out who is who.
kindest regards
makayla
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Hi there,
An update from my earlier posts : I established that the Jane that John Craggs married was Jane Young. I have bought their marriage certificate (1845) and the father of John was a Joseph Craggs listed as a pitman. There was a witness - Thomas Craggs.
It would be good, Maykayla, if you purchased the marriage certificate of your Joseph and Isabella to see who the father was. Maybe your Joseph and my John were brothers - it is a possibility.
I haven't found any further info on the father Joseph yet.
Look forward to hearing more.
Ruthy
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hi
when was john born and where ?
my joseph wa born 16th june1821 auckland st andrew.
i will have to now try trace back another generation as i not got josephs father.
kindest regards
makayla
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Hi there,
My John Craggs was born in 1821. More than that I have so far been unable to find. All census' put St Johns Chapel as his place of birth, but the record office have nothing there for him.
I think it is less likely they were brothers as it seems they were both born in the same year. Would be interesting for your research if you bought the marriage certificate you mentioned further back as this would give the fathers name for your Joseph.
Good luck with your quest.
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hi ruthy
the joseph i put on b4 was the wrong one i will have another look and get back to you . mine was born in weardale just not sure when . my computer is down at mo so will be back on as soon as its fixed.
makayla
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Hi,
A bit of an update - continued searching has led me to believe I have found the John Craggs, baptised in St Johns Chapel 1820 as John Craig. His parents were listed as Joseph Craige who married a Mary Watson in 1810. One of John's siblings was a Joseph, born in 1817 and christened Craig who went on to marry Isabella Clavering in 1840. One of the other siblings was christened Mary Craggs, but listed with same parents. So the name seems to have been corrupted around this time. Their first child was a Nancy, and the details on this list Joseph Craige as a native of Bongate, Appleby, Westmoreland.
I have had professional help with this research, and am pretty confident we are correct, and have cross referenced marriage cert. details / witnesses etc.
I am still researching the death of Joseph Craige / craig / crags / craggs to confirm age and finally tie it all together.
The 1841 Census has them as Crags, (in East Hetton) with no other families coming close in terms of names / age groupings etc. and from here on they always appear as Craggs.
Food for thought - we may have a link after all Mykayla.
Onwards to Westmoreland!!
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Hi. Here is what can be deciphered from a gravestone at Lanchester.
In affectionate remembrance of Joseph Craggs of Satley Grove who died June/8/1878 aged 58? or 78? years.
Also Ja???? daughter of the above???????Burrell died Sept 188?
The stone is in poor condition but the additional name of Burrell may help.
Adam
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Hi Adam,
Thank you very much for this. I will look into it so see if there is a link.
Ruthy
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Hi Ruthy
I have just joined here so don't know quite how this site works.
I am looking for more information on John Craggs (1821?-1899) married to Jane (1823-?)
I beleive they had 4 children Mary Jane, Thomas, John and George.
If you have any more information about this I'd love to swap it with you. Many Thanks Doug.
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Hi Doug,
Welcome to the forum. I have found it very useful when I get a bit stuck with my research and everyone is so helpful helping to piece bits of info together with their suggestions and knowledge, although I haven't been on here for a while. I have traced my line of Craggs back to Westmoreland now. I think if you have any further info about your Craggs - where they lived and when would be useful, when approximately the children were born - I might be able to help and see if they are linked to my Craggs at all. The names are quite common so there could be quite a few to look through.
Ruthy
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Hi, thanks for replying. This is what I have, if you have any more information or it fits in with yours I'd love to find out more.
To be honest this is just a taster I don’t want to bombard you if it's not relevant, if it is I'll provide more information. I have been trying to find more about John Craggs b 1820/1821 married to Jane. I was really interested to see what you had found about his name changing at this time.
I have put a couple of place names in there too (Middleham and Hetton). I also have refernces to Eppleton Pit, Leeholme and others.
Thanks in advance, Doug
John Craggs - Jane ?
(1821?-1899) (1823 - ?)
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Mary Jane Thomas John George
(1850 - ) (1851 - ) (1853 - ) (1866 - )
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John James Thomas Mary Beatrice Roger Elizabeth Herbert Margaret
(Middleham) (Middleham) (Hetton)
1874- 1877- 1880-
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Hi Doug,
How exciting!
Thanks for the clarification – I am sure we are looking at the same family. Herbert (on your list) is my great Grandfather. Which is your line?
The children were John, James, Jane Ann, Thomas William, Mary Hannah, Beatrice, Roger, Elizabeth, Herbert, Martha, Bertha (mother died and Bertha was brought up by and Aunt)
I had quite a job finding out about John, but I knew he was born in St Johns chapel Weardale from constant references in the Census and through some help and cross referencing with names as witnesses on his marriage certificate I was able to confirm that John craggs was born in St Johns Chapel with Father Joseph Craggs and mother Mary Watson. They moved to Kelloe area between 18 30 and 1840, and I found the burial of Joseph Craggs in 1840 at Kelloe.
I also found the family (Mary a widow) in the 1841 census living in Kelloe. The spelling of the name was Crags in that Census but all the names and dates matched up. The family then moved to Hetton and Mary died there.
The Craige name came about through the records for a Joseph Craige marrying a Mary Watson in 1809 – all their children were documented and all were craig (no e) except for a Mary who was Craggs all born to Mary and Joseph in the same vicinity. Later records of the family have the name as Crags (1841) and then to Craggs.
Their first child was called Nancy and her father was documented “3 Dec 1809 Nancy Craig, of High House, born 23-Nov 1809, 1st daughter of Joseph Craig (miner, native of Bongate, Appleby, Westmorland) by his wife Mary nee Watson (native of this parish)
This gave me the lead to Westmoreland.
I have visited and there are Craggs in the graveyard in Appleby (Bongate) which is now a private house. And I have seen a ref to a baptism on the IGI at St.Michael, Appleby, Westmorland for a Joseph Richard Cragg 7th Feb 1787, son of Sarah which was interesting because Joseph named one of his daughters Sally (for Sarah)
Beyond that there is nothing concrete – they seem to be iron stone miners living in the Hamlets around Appleby.
I hope this is of interest to you – it was a while ago now and took a bit of head scratching to work out, but I am confident that it is correct
I would be interested in any further info – I don’t have any refs to pits or anything.
Ruthy
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Hi Ruthy, my Great Grandfather was James (1876). I really need to go away and digest what you have just sent; it is really interesting thank you.
It is my mum’s cousin that has done most of the research on this, so I have let him know I have found someone.
He has quite a bit of information on all of the children; some detailed, some a bit patchy. I have just spoken to him and he had spoken to Evelyn in the past to find out more, I am guessing that probably means something to you, and he has a fairly good collection of information for Herbert and his line. You may be on it!
The pit reference was for Roger, he died aged 16 at Eppleton Pit, and it’s on the Durham mining museum website
Craggs, Roger, 03 Jul 1900, aged 16, Stone putter, and when putting stones he caught timber, and was so severely injured that he died within half an hour.
I have put my email address on my profile if you want to communicate via email at all, not sure if this is allowed on here. Or if you’d prefer I can continue on this thread. Not sure how much current ish information people like on here?
There are references to USA for John, and Australia for Beatrice, and all sorts you might be interested in. All my information is on sheets of A4 so I need to type up more of it.
Let me know what is best and I’ll get some more too you either way.
Thanks, Doug
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Hi Douglas,
This is great!
I will continue via email and look forward to hearing/exchanging more.
Ruthy
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i will get my folder out later and have a look for you t see what i have got x
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Hi Makayla,
Let me know if you have any gaps too and I will try to fill them. Our tree just keeps growing :) I think you already have my email, but I will message you again with it.
Ruthy
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Hi
Just to bring things back to Appleby - Burrels is a district of St lawrence Appleby
and is small village a couple of miles outside the main area
I will look up the Craigs in Appleby
regards
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Hi
Sorry don't seem to have your Craigs/Craggs but plenty of others
regards
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Hi,I'm a descendant of the Craggs family from Wheatley hilll and weardale.I'm from the line mentioned in an earlier post(Isabella clavering Craggs) and have traced my tree back to 1700s weardale,kind regards,Lee.
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Wow looks like we r from the same line I am visiting Durham next week to go look where my ancestors were from
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My Joseph Craggs ancestor was born about 1750, I am not sure of his place of birth it could possibly be Medomsley. He married Elizabeth Jopling on 20 May 1780 at St. Cuthbert's Church, Satley, Co. Durham. He was a Stone Mason and built Satley Grove in 1812 and died there in 1835.
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Hi makayla,we are definitely from the same line of Craggs(22 plantation street Wheatley hill) I too visit Durham on a regular basis and would be nice to see you there,kind regards,lee. :)