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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: tigerbelle on Thursday 07 December 06 00:16 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to obtain any information on the following people.
My g,g,g grandfather was John McCance born c1825.
he married Agnes McLeod born c1824
their son, Robert Millan McCance was born c1847, Grey Abbey, County Down.
The family moved to Australia several years after Roberts birth, after 1842
I believe John was a gardener.
Any information, suggestions, etc would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
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There are manuscript family trees for McCANCE in volumes 3p112, 16p62, 24p60 in the Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in LinenHall library, Belfast. I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing. However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds. Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, Telephone: +44 (0)28 9032 1707, Fax: +44 (0)28 9043 8586, Email: info [--at--] linenhall.com.
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Hello tigerbelle,
I've linked your McCance thread on the Ireland General board to this one.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=187538.msg2009503#msg2009503
Christopher
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Tigerbelle,
My gg grandparents were John McCance & Agnes McMillan (nee McLeod). He (1819-21/10/1907) was a son of John McCance & Martha Gilmour (married Killinchy 27/3/1813) and is buried with Agnes in his stepsons' grave (for James & Nathaniel McMillan) at Chewton. Agnes (1809-12/10/1896) was a daughter of Daniel McLeod & Agnes McKimm. She first married Nathaniel McMillan (1807-3/10/1843) in 1827 and they had six sons (Hamilton, John, James, Nathaniel, Thomas, Alexander). After Nathaniel was killed (apparently by anti-orange men) she married John McCance and they had three sons (Robert Millan, William Henry Millan, Francis Edward) and two daughters (Martha, Agnes Ann). The whole family migrated to Victoria in late 1852. The two older McMillans and families sailed from Liverpool on the "Marion Moore" and the McCances and youngest McMillans on the "Confiance". If you are interested in more bits on the McCance/McMillans email me at "iandann(-at-)aapt.net.au". There are quite a number in my file and my grandfather (John Robert Duggan, son of Agnes Ann McCance) had over 80 first cousins, and I'm still counting since I haven't found where Alexander McMillan and family finally settled, probably WA. Incidently, John McMillan (1832-1913) settled near Deniliquin on "Pine Farm" with wife (Mary Regan) and are buried at Deniliquin, and Thomas McMillan was a drover for "Pine Farm'.
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In case you are interested in artistic photos of possible tombstonesof unknown date until you look them up, try
C-McCance-Greyabbey-Tombstone photo by Bill Cardwell at-Greyabbey graveyard see-www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/Greyabbey
J-McCance-Greyabbey-Tombstone photo by Bill Cardwell at-Greyabbey graveyard see-www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/Greyabbey
W-McCance-Greyabbey-Tombstone photo by Bill Cardwell at-Greyabbey graveyard see-www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/Greyabbey
D-McLeod-Greyabbey-Tombstone photo by Bill Cardwell at-Greyabbey graveyard see-www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/Greyabbey
J-McMillan-Greyabbey-Tombstone photo by Bill Cardwell at-Greyabbey graveyard see-www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/Greyabbey
Good luck, Jim
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Thank you Jim. What a treasure! The first one I looked at was Daniel McLeod's, then Nathaniel McMillan's. Pity the photo for John McCance's didn't include the whole headstone though.
Ian
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The church records for burials and so tombstones appear to only exist for the Church of Ireland Greyabbey cemetery, Ros Davies on her great website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/GreyabbeyAll describes them thus "Records from 1807; graveyard nearby; gravestones UHF Vol 12; email me Ros Davies for a gravestone look-up; North of Ireland Family History Society holds baptism 1807- 1815 & 1820- 1863; marriages 1807-1844; burials 1808- 1873 & confirmations 1823,1827,1831, 1836, 1841, 1844" So you will get the full wording
Jim
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Jim, I have found the full wording elsewhere on the net for the headstone for John Boal (1720-86), John McCance (1752-1830) and perhaps his wife Mary (1780-1850) but relationship not clear from wording. Also Mary's son, William McCance (1797-1874), & his wife, Eassy (nee Orr, 1789-1870), & their son Matthew (1827-1852). Haven't fitted them in yet, but a book from the library may help written by David Fitzpatrick, "Oceans of consolation. Personal accounts of Irish migration to Australia ...." which apparently has some letters written by/for my GGGF (John McCance) back to the relies left in Ireland.
Ian
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Christopher found it , like arabbit from ahat, thank you. Now Ian, back in 2006 on this message board I was replying to Tigerbelle another of your kin and replied "There are manuscript family trees for McCANCE in volumes 3p112, vol 16p62, vol 24p60 in the Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in LinenHall library, Belfast. I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing. However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds. Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, Telephone: +44 (0)28 9032 1707, Fax: +44 (0)28 9043 8586, Email:info[at]linenhall.com."
since then I have completed a work on Comber parish that includes the surnames, you can see all on www.comberonline.com find the history section and download the Peoples and places for free. Just to warn you its from the internet and nothing original. The Orr family in Co Down has special resources, the Boals should have done their own and the McMillans did around Comber but I didnt copy their tree when it was on Welcome to Comber before Comberonline started. If I think of anything else I will come back to you.
The McQuoid s of Greyabbey have also been researched
Jim
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From the Linenhall Library, Belfast, cataloque
Irish emigration 1801-1921 / D. Fitzpatrick 1984
Oceans of consolation : personal accounts of Irish migration to Australia
/D. Fitzpatrick 1994
Records of the Irish famine : a guide to local archives, 1840-1855 / Deirdre Lindsay and D. Fitzpatrick 1993
As you sounded asif you havent seen them , the library might copy some pages for your personal research
Good luck , Jim
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Thank you Jim. I'm waiting on the local library to get a copy on interlibrary loan of David Fitzpatrick's book from a nearby library. From a brief description on http://questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=103678698 some of the letters were to William Orr and hence the interest in the headstone.
Ian
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My name is Alan Paul, Nathanial McMillan and Agnes McLeod were my GGGG Grandparents. My line is through John McMillan and Mary Regan then Agnes Jane McMillan who married Thomas Edward Venn.
Since I began my research I have always known of the McCance family but have not researched it much. I was going through my McMillan files tonight and googled McMillan and McCance and found these postings and thought I would ask a question which has had me wondering for a while.
In the Venn family there are several incidences were the middle name is Millan. This also occurs in the McCance families some of whom were born in Ireland.
Did this occur as a result of the Marriage of Agnes McMillan (nee McLeod) or is there a link from McCance to a family with the surname of Millan.
I have also seen other information of which I will certainly follow up and have more questions later on.
Hoping some McCance researcher may be able to answer my question
Alan Paul
Victoria, Australia
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Alan,
I see the name Millan being used as a given name in memory of Agnes McCance's first husband Nathaniel McMillan (1807-43) who's buried with his parents (Hamilton & Jane) at Greyabbey. Agnes McCance's second family with John McCance were Martha (Purnell, 1845-1926), Robert Millan (1847-1915), William Henry Millan (1850-1925), Agnes Ann (Duggan 1852-93), Francis Edward (1853-1924). Of Robert Millan McCance's five offspring, three were also named Millan ie Ada Millan (Gibson 1875-1945), Donald Millan (1876-1947) Percy James Millan (1878-1952).
I understand that John McCance promised Nathaniel McMillan to look after Agnes and their boys if anything happened to him. If you haven't read it, it's worth getting David Fitzpatrick's book from the library to get some insight into how the the McCance/McMillan families lived after they arrived in Victoria.
I haven't found a listing for the birth of Agnes Jane McMillan on the Victorian BDM indexes, only her siblings (James, Mary, Elizabeth John, Ellen Anne, Ada Louise). Do you have her birth details etc?
Ian
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:To Christopher McCance.
My mother is related to John McMillan born 1810 in Liverpool England he is a brother of Nathaniel McMillan and are related back to Grey Abbey Co Down Ireland
John McMillan is my Mothers Great Grand Father
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I have just made a start at tracing the McAvoy (formally McIlboy) of Greyabbey Co Down N Ireland. I have a McCance family New Testament which has the following entries which may be of some help to those trying to trace Greyabbey McCances.
Charles McCance was born January 9th 1844
John McCance was born July 29th 1843
Samuel Harris McCance was born October 9th 1847
Elenor McCance was born 29th October 1850 (This is my Great Grandmother who married John McIlboy (date unkown)
Mary Ann Mccance was born September 9th 1853
Hugh McCance was born May 9th 1856
William McCance was born February 26th 1858
I hope this is of some help and if anyone can help with the Greyabbey McAvoys it would be much appreciated as I am new to this game.
Regards
John
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John,
Welcome to Rootschat. I have found that Ellen McCance married John McIlboy on 26 July 1883 in Greyabbey Presbyterian Church, Newtownards, Co. Down.
Regards
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kingskerswell,
Thanks for the info. and very quick response. Have you an interest in the McCance's or McAvoy's (McIlboy's). I have a photo of my G.G. father and G.G. mother which I will hunt out and post on this sight. I will have loads of questions in the future.
Thanks again
John
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John,
No, sorry, no interest in the family, this was just a look-up which you are more than welcome to.
Regards
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Hi there, My name is Paddy McAvoy, I live just outside Greyabbey, and my Greatgrand parents were John and Ellen McAvoy or McIlboy Pronounced
Muckleboy, as it was then. They lived on Mid Island ,where my Grandfather was born, I'll try and post a of the house, and help you with your search if I can
Regards Paddy
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House on Mid Island
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Paddy,
It's me John McAvoy (alias dunlin1). Have you done much by way of looking back beyond John and Ellen McIlboy? I have only recently started to look at our ancestors and John Caughey has supplied me with A lot of interesting leads which I will be happy to share with you. Our Gt grandfather John McIlboy married Ellen McCance on 26 July 1883. This was his second marriage. He married married Agnes Close on 3 February 1876. I am assuming she died. They had one child Lizzie who married David Greer on 14 November 1899 at St Marks COI Newtownards. They moved to America around the early 1900s as I have some postcards which they sent home to the Islands. As you probably know the marriage to Ellen McCance produced 4 offspring - our grandfathers William and Patrick and Hugh and Alberta. Hope this is of interest.
John
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Hi - I am new to the forum - - can anyone suggest possible relatives for John McCance born 22/01/1860 - my Great Grandfather - census says he was born in County Down. He
married Hannah Neen (born 25/02/1859) in Cumberland, England 03/05/1932.
John died there in 1900.
In the John McCance Family Bible a Frank James Cairns is listed - born 10/07/1881. Frank married Henrietta Fletcher .... I think is says “Cannon married” on 01/04/1907
Not sure what the link is to the McCance family but he is included on the family page.
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Birth certificate should list parents- Frank James Cairns born July/Sept. 1881 Cockermouth district
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XJK-MR6
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DDN-LDN
John's marriage certificate should list father's name and occupation and it's possible that one or both of the witnesses are related.
1881 census- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQST-3Q7
death (1900): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J56-KY3
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Frank Cairns is with a McCance family in the Cockermouth 1891 census, recorded as a nephew. Head of family is a John McCance, born Ireland. By 1901, John is dead and Frank is still with the family, but noted as boarder.
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Many thanks fro those replies. Appreciated.
John McCance born 1860 Co Down according to his census record - I do have a marriage certificate for him and Hannah Neen - and his father is shown on that as John McCance too.
So I am looking for a John McCance being born in County Down in 1860 whose father is registered as John McCance. So far not been successful finding an online source at all.
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Hi Richy I've just joined up on here when I read your post. Ive been looking for the same connection John McCance born 1860 lived in Clifton. I'm just down the road in Whitehaven. He was my 2nd Great Grandfather. It seems I got to the same place as you. I was wondering if have you got any further