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Title: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: jlbriggs on Tuesday 05 December 06 14:43 GMT (UK)

I have a marriage cert (24/12/1892 St Jude, mill st, Ancoats Manchester) with a record of the residence of 10 Lion St.  I have searched the census for Arthur Beckett and his father James 1891 but nothing - Does anyone know how I could trace the census by address and see if I can find them that way
 :-\

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: mosiefish on Tuesday 05 December 06 16:03 GMT (UK)

Hi,

He is not at 10 Lion Street on the 1891 census.  There is a John and Mary Dighton living there.

Sorry,
Mo

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: Isobelruss on Tuesday 05 December 06 16:04 GMT (UK)

1891
10 Lion Street
John Oughton 27
Mary 26 wife both born Manchester
cant see any Becketts
ref RG12 3232 folio 132-133
The writing is really horrid they could be in the area but mistranscribed

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: welsh lady on Tuesday 05 December 06 16:26 GMT (UK)

What is James occupation on Arthurs marriage cert?And is
your  Arthur the one in the 1901census b-1870 Ardwick Manchester .Let me know and ill have a look for them in  the earlier censues.
Best Wishes Welsh Lady

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find hi
Post by: stevebooth on Tuesday 05 December 06 19:13 GMT (UK)

Could James have died by 1891? I found an Arthur Beckitt, aged 25, living at 11 Grant Street, Oldham, with his widowed mother Harriett. There were siblings Louisa, Frances & George, also a grandson called James. The family were from Yorkshire.

Just a possibility. Let me know if you want the details.

Alternatively, there's a James Beckett, aged 50, cabinet maker, living at 9 Marple Street, Ancoats. No Arthur present in the household - but there are sons James Edward 15 and a John Albert 10.

Steve

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 05 December 06 19:23 GMT (UK)

How DO you search by address in the censuses?

I thought I could do it in ancestry, but have either forgotten or it does not work the same any more!

Unfestive baa baa humbug smiley!

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 05 December 06 19:28 GMT (UK)

Hi,

I see from your other post here that Arthur was born 1869,

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,199467.msg999383.html#msg999383

I wonder if this could be him in 1871, I've written it as the image shows and he is transcribed as BERRY, I just wonder if he got dittoed when the enumerator was told 'she's my sister and he's my grandson' ?


1871  RG/3978  f.8  p.9  Ardwick
27 Ainsworth St

John BERRY            Head  Wid   55    Calico Printer 
Elizabeth "  "      wifedaur  Un    21
Martha BECKETT      Daur   W    23    Cotton Weaver 
Elizabeth BERRY      Sister  Un    53      "  "      "  "
Arthur    "  "       Grandson          2                              All born Lancashire Manchester


I think Martha was the widow of James as there is this marriage,

Martha BERRY  Jun Q  1868  Manchester  v.8d  p.183
James BECKETT with same details :)


There are quite a few deaths for James BECKETT in Lancashire between 1868-1871 but I think this may be him because of his age and the location.

James BECKETT  age:21  Sep Q  1869  Chorlton  v.8c  p.363


Then there is this marriage,

Martha BECKETT  Mar Q  1873  Manchester  v.8d  p.132
Joseph HAMLET with same details


In 1881 RG11/3898  f.89  p.16  Ardwick, Joseph and Martha HAMLETT are living at 11 Briscoe St, with two children from his previous marriage, Arthur HAMLETT age:11 born Ardwick, and new children.


1891 RG12/3168  f.32  p.13  Ardwick
26 Briscoe St

Martha HAMLETT   Wid  46  
Arthur B    "  "      Unm  21   Maker Up & Packer
Charlie      "  "      Unm  17   Van Boy
George      "  "             15   Trap  "  "
Florence    "  "             12   Scholar
Edwin W    "  "               8      "  "                     All born Lancashire Manchester Ardwick


In 1901  RG13/3677  f.33  p.13  Ardwick, Florence and Edwin HAMLETT are living at no.26 Briscoe St and Arthur BECKETT and family are living next door at no.28.


I think this is the family Welsh Lady asked about, so if it is the right one it looks like he's living next to his half sister  :)

Regards
Daisy

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: jlbriggs on Wednesday 06 December 06 14:05 GMT (UK)

James Occupation was a Velvet Finisher and on his sons (arthurs) marr cert in 1892 he is not recorded as deceased.
Arthurs daughter florence may beckett has a reg address on her marr cert as 49 Briscoe st, and Arthurs 1901 address 28 Briscoe
What doesnt add up is that James is not recorded as deceased on Arthurs marr cert 1892 so I think I may have to send off for Arthurs birth cert to see who is the mother..

Title: Re: searching for James Beckett -10 Lion St on the Marr cert - how can I find him?
Post by: Daisypetal on Thursday 07 December 06 08:13 GMT (UK)

 

I'm not sure that marriage certificates always show the father as deceased, even when he is  :(

Here are a couple of links about the subject which I found interesting,

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/marriages.htm#COL8

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,200294.msg1006108.html#msg1006108


I hope the birth certificate helps sort it out  :)

Daisy