RootsChat.Com
Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: sheenamac on Saturday 02 December 06 06:40 GMT (UK)
-
Alexander McKirdy's birth (1807) and death record (1871) show his parents as being Alexander McKirdy and Mary McMillan. However,I can find no record of their marriage, no birth record for either. Any suggestions?
-
hi sheena, why not post there death details?
have you found your alex(1807) in the 1841 census?
1841 census:
Ministers Close Greenock
Alex- 35- Carpenter
Cecila-32
catherine-4
margaret-20 months
hope this helps
Joe
-
Thanks Joe. I'd found the entry for Alex and Cecelia but then couldn't find any record of their marriage, or the births of their children. Alex was married 3 times - Cecelia, then Helen Lamont,then Elizabeth McGillvray who is my ancestor. I hadn't realised before today that Alex and Cecelia had had children - wish I could find out more about them. Any thoughts on how I could find out more about Alex's parents.
-
hi shenna, have you tried the IGI's yet?
when did mary mc millan die? was she remarried? would she be on the 1841 census? same for alex
-
Hi Joe - I'll always impressed that here in Australia I can get an immediate reply from Rootschat - it's fabulous. I've found two Marys in the 1841 census, but I don't think either is mine. the only Alex I could find was the son, ie Cecelia's husband.
-
hi sheena, try the IGI's for the deaths?
joe
-
Hi Joe, I've found nothing on the deaths of Cecelia or the children. Looked for the children in 1851 census and can't find them. Would welcome any other thoughts. When you said post the death certificate, did you mean to put it on on this site?
-
no sheena, just heir details!!!
will have a wee peek into the 1851 for you
Joe
-
hi sheena, shockarooney!!!!!
Alexander is living with his second wife in 1851
64 Dalrymple Street, greenock
Alex...age 43...Harbour Porter
Helen...Wife...age (wait for it!!!!) 22
Helen Lamont...MOTHER_IN_LAW (poor man!) age 44
Alexander...son...age 5
Mary...daughter...age 5 months
i presume that maybe Cecila got remarried?
-
Thanks Joe. This is very useful and I hadn't picked up on that before. I'm surprised I hadn't looked at 1851 before now, but I now remember my details came from typed records in the family history library on one of my visits back to the old country. I had assumed Cecelia had died as I hadn't considered divorce as an option back then. He must have been a bit of a lad, I think.
-
Hi Joe. I'm not finding Alexander's 1851 census record through Scotland's People. Looked for Helen also. I wonder why that would be.
-
hi sheena, did you use the soundex?
it was transcribed as alexr mckirdy
hope it helps
Joe
-
hi sheena, i see by the 1861 census he is now with his 3rd wife
1861 census:
14 Cathcart Street
Alexander...age 54...Boatman & Porter
Elizabeth...age 38...born inverness
Andrew...age 15...ordinary seaman
James...age 2
Catherine Mc Gilvary...Niece...age 14
more stuff for you to ponder over!!
Joe
-
Hi Joe. I've tried all computations in the 1851 census. He doesn't even appear when I just put in the surname and Greenock. I tried Helen McKirdy and Helen Lamont - nothing. Is a mystery. I think I'll put the question to Scotland's People.
-
Joe. It looks like Scotland's People is still working on the 1851 census. That might explain why I can't find them. I'll try again later.
-
I'm embarrassed that I'm only getting back to this now. My family tree has been on hold for some time. However, I'm hoping that some of you who tried to help will have another look at it. Alexander McKirdy, my gg grandfather was born 1807,d 1871 in Greenock. His parents are shown as Alexander McKirdy and Mary McMillan on his birth notice and his death notice. However, I've never found anything on his parents. No marriage and no deaths. I did find a birth in the Catholic Church to Alexander McCurdy and Mary McMullan which could be them as the names can be interchangeable when you have a large Irish population (or an Irish priest). Alex was married twice - to Helen Lamont and to Elizabeth McGilvray (my ancestor) (in the catholic church). I had originally thought that Cecilia Black was a first marriage, but when I found her death record she was shown as "the widow of Alexander McKirdy" which rules her out as he had two later marriages Would welcome any ideas from you creative thinkers out there. Sheena
-
A brief revision:
1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1554f1f4040b9d6e68327b/alexr-mckirdy-1851-renfrewshire-greenock-1808-?locale=en
1861 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155950f4040b9d6e6d0d28/alexander-mckirdy-1861-renfrewshire-greenock-1807-?locale=en
1871 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5b91ad20f4040b176c959fe9/alexander-mckirdy-1871-renfrewshire-greenock-1811-?locale=en
Baptism record
MACKIRDY ALEXANDER parents: ALEXANDER MACKIRDY & MARY MCMILLAN FR779 (FR779) M 26/07/1807 564/3 30 97 Greenock Old or West
I cannot see other baptisms to these parents
-
i presume that maybe Cecila got remarried?
I had assumed Cecelia had died as I hadn't considered divorce as an option back then.
It wasn't really an option as the expense involved put it out of reach of the majority of the population.
It is far more likely that Cecilia had died.
-
Thanks for your reply. I had addressed the issue of Cecilia in my most recent post. When she died, she was described as "the widow of Alexander McKirdy", so her Alexander was not my ancestor who married Helen Lamont and then Elizabeth McGilvray at the time of his death.
Anyway, this is not the Alexander I'm talking about, I've got everything available on him. My block is with his parents, Alexander snr and Mary McMillan - I just can't find anything on them.
Sheena