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Looking for the marriage of Daniel Fry of Wambrook to a Mary, please.
and baptism of first child Elizabeth Fry believed also to be born Pilton.
Enquiry based on a removal order c. June 1789
P040/27
Removal Order
Daniel Fry, Mary his wife & Elizabeth 6, Mary 3, and Amy 5 months to Pilton, Somerset from Chardstock.
Mary, 3, and Amy, 5 months, born in Wambrook (Devon/Somerset).
Would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Watermusic
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HI Watermusic,
are these your people? Daniel Fry marriage to Mary,1784 Wambrook.
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Yes, looks like it - but I didn't find the marriage in Wambrook, nor Elizabeth's christening.
Is there then a Mary with bbd 1783 Pilton?
Last week went squiffy eyed at Devon, Somerset and Dorset ROs, looking for my Frys perported Wambrook, in the microfiche AND the transcripts.
Only found the christenings of Mary and Amy in Wambrook, 25-Dec-1785 and 25-Jan-1789 respectively. Then on returning to the house found that the third member of our party had found the removal order for them, and the earlier child Elizabeth, from Chardstock to Pilton, so thought good idea to enquire for missing details in Pilton, else why pass the burden of them on to Pilton? I really have no clues apart from this.
Daniel himself was Wambrook, 28-Apr-1757. The register is damaged for this period, but found him in transcriptions. The 1780s portion of the registers is not too bad, and there were two of us looking.
Thanks
Watermusic
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Hi Watermusic,
I found the marriage on the IGI,there were several Elizabeths', but not from Pilton,I can't remember off hand where they were born ,will have another look ;D
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Hi watermusic,
this is all Iv'e found,Mary 1785
Amy 1789,both listed as Wambrook.
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Mary and Amy are definitely Wambrook, as is dad Daniel - saw it with my own eyes, so to speak - but no marriage and no earlier children. Apart from Daniel's father, siblings and siblings children there are no other Frys in Wambrook or Chardstock, so they are quite easy to spot.
I have seen the "Wambrook" marriage on familysearch - but it is not IGI - it is a submitted entry - no surname for Mary, no actual date of marriage, just a guess - and possibly they didn't find Elizabeth either.
I had a similar problem with Daniel's brother, William. LDS had him born Ottery St.Mary, so I was chasing an OSM family when I should have persevered with the Wambrook, Chardstock, Membury clues.
Nowadays, I tend to trust the Hugo Wallis IGI batches, but they are not by any means 100% coverage, and treat member submission entries with a pinch of salt - although sometimes they can give you clues.
Watermusic
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This is the only one I could find near to that date:
Groom: Daniel Fry
Bride: Mary Rossiter
Married on 1st Apr 1782 at parish Shepton Mallet
Brian
Pilton is 4 mils from Shepton Mallet
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http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/shepton%20mallet.html
Brian
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That looks extremely promising, Borneo!
Have to get the map out now! It's a long walk, but straight up the Fosse Way.
Thanks
Is there by any chance an Elizabeth Fry born in the area between then and the end of 1783? I think that would definitely clinch it.
Very grateful for all the trouble you are all taking.
Watermusic
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Hi Watermusic
I'm afraid I have no access to Baptisms, only Marriages/deaths
I did find this though:
Burial:
Daniel FRY Date 4th Mar 1838 Aged 84
Place Pilton: Description St John the Baptist
Denomination: Anglican SOM
Which coincides with this:
Deaths Mar qtr 1838:
Daniel Fry Shepton Mallet 10 354
Worth a try?
Brian
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Oh that's great, Borneo!
There is enough there that I can put a friend on the trail next visit to Taunton! I will only need to find Elizabeth's baptism and that little family will be complete for the present.
We are having difficulty tracking down Henry Fry, the father of Daniel and a further 5 siblings, so gathering every clue,
Thanks again
Watermusic
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Whilst we are on the subject, for future ref.
Groom: Henry Fry.
Bride: Ann Seaward status spins.
Married on 28th Oct 1756
parish: Wambrook by Banns
Brian
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Thank you, but found last week! Both described as of the parish of Wambrook.
Witnesses George Abbot and John Stocker.
Also have Ann Seward baptised in both Chardstock and Wambrook, and all the children, though before my visit, I and a 3rd cousin only had two. The day before I arrived in the UK, I contacted a 4th cousin on GR who only had three children of the marriage, none of them the same! In fact there were seven, of whom 5 married and I have the deaths of the two spinsters.
So now I know there are three of us looking for the origins of Henry Fry
Watermusic
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Well done!
If you want any Fry marriage/death by Christian name, just ask
Brian
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:-*
Thanks for the offer. May take it up, but first I must finish sorting out my findings into a paid "researcher"s report which assumes that all the Frys married in "Wambrook, Chardstock" and Cannington (which made my Chardstock friend very suspicious).
- already I've found that they were in Taunton, Curry Rivell, Blewbury (Berks!), North Curry, Membury(Devon) and Swell. The very early ones were Cannington, and the later ones Wambrook OR Chardstock... and now Shepton Mallet.
There's going to be a lot of trawling to see how they fit together....if they are in anyway connected.
Now pretty solid back to 1756
At least I didn't splash out the money for it!! :)
Many thanks again
Watermusic
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Hello Watermusic.
Have discovered only yesterday your discussions regarding FRY of Wambrook, SOM/DOR, I am descended from a John FRY b c1797 Pilton, Som. married to Jane MAIDMENT c 1820s, W Pennard, and son Daniel FRY b 1828 Pilton.
1841 they are living Ditcheat, father is a Farmer.
1851 living Clapton, Midsomer Norton, Som. Farmer 60 acres, 3 employees, also living with them is Mary FRY, Sister, b 1785 Wombrook, Som. From this I have reckoned John is a son of Daniel and Mary FRY, from Wambrook., your info. ref. removal order seems to tie this up.
1861 John and Jane FRY, retired Farmer at Clapton, MSN, Som.
John died 8th Mar 1873 and Jane died 22 Dec 1879
Daniel FRY b 1828 married Amelia STICKLAND b 1832 E Pennard, Som at Clutton Reg. Dist.in 1851. Amelia is daughter of William and Mary STICKLAND from Parbrook, E Pennard, he a Butcher/ Baker and was living there in 1841/1851 and died 1874.
Daniel FRY and Amelia have 8 children, Sarah Jane FRY b 1852 Ston Easton, chr 5 Dec1852 Wesleyan, MSN., John William Stickland FRY b 1854 Ston Easton, chr 11 Oct 1854 Wesleyan, MSN., Edward FRY b 12 Dec 1856, chr 22 Jan 1857 Wesleyan, MSN., Kate FRY b 1858, Elizabeth FRY b 1864, Edwin FRY b 1866 MSN, Alfred FRY b 1867 MSN., Lucy FRY b 1869 MSN., d 1 Nov 1925 Clapton, buried Paulton, Som. my G Grandmother, and Earnest FRY b 1873 MSN.
Lucy FRY married Charles ORAM b 1863 MSN, and my Grandfather is Clifford Oram b 17 Mar 1894 Clapton, MSN, Som.
1861 Daniel FRY and family live at Clapton, MSN, Farmer, 60 acres plus 1 boy, 1871/1891 living Clapton, although in 1881 he has 150 acres and 3 men.
Have not extended the other children into the 1900s.
Regarding FRY’s at Wambrook, I have Daniel FRY b 1757 Wambrook, removed to Pilton, son of Henry FRY and Ann SEWARD, and the following children.
John FRY b c1760 Wambrook, Elizabeth FRY b 1762 Wambrook, married to Samuel TETT at Wambrook on 21 Apr 1788, Sarah FRY chr 17 Feb 1765 Wambrook, married to David DENNING, on 19 Sep 1791 Wambrook, Ann FRY chr 25 Jun 1765 Wambrook, Mary FRY chr 28 Jun 1767 Wambrook, Amy FRY chr 25 Jun 1769 Wambrook and William FRY CHR 30 Jun 1771 Wambrook.
Would be interested in the FRY family previous to 1700s if info. available?
Regards
SOLOMON
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Hi Solomon.
Greetings cousin! (nth, x times removed?)
This is the problem - we have Henry Fry m. Ann Seward - both described as OTP
BUT - There are no Frys prior to this in the registers of both Wambrook and Chardstock (apart from some early 17thC marriages in Chardstock, where they didn't settle and raise children)
I suppose that Henry was indentured around the age of 11/12 to someone in Wambrook, and having lived there some 14 years before his marriage, was considered to be OTP.
So we do not have a birthplace for Henry (died 20-Apr-1800) c.1730. It is believed he had a brother John c.1732 (who married an Eleanor in 1757) and their father was a Henry Fry c.20/4/1707.
It is just a question!!!! of searching registers based on the few clues above! We are concentrating on Somerset at the moment.
By the way, I am descended from William Fry (30-Jun-1771 Wambrook, died 22-Mar-1851, Axminster district aged 80) married Hannah Mitchell on 26-Mar-1801 Membury.
I'm having problems finding Hannah's father, Stephen Mitchell, too - there are hundreds of Mitchells, as opposed to the dearth of Frys, in the area - and he is described as SOJOURNER ??? on his marriage to Alice Stevens 20-Dec-1780 in Axminster.
That is as far as we have got so far on checking the so-called research.
Merry Christmas
Watermusic
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... and I forgot to say WELCOME to Rootschat!!
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Hello Watermusic
Thanks for prompt reply and Welcome.
Will keep on looking!
Happy Christmas
Regards
SOLOMON
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Good evening, may I interject, please? I believe the Clifford Oram mentioned is the brother of my maternal grandmother, Hilda Lester, daughter of charles Oram and Lucy Fry. I discovered these pages, quite by accident, this evening.
Best wishes
Marion
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Good morning SOLOMON. Many, many thanks for your pm. Will respond as soon as I am able to use the pm facility.
Marion
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Found baptism of Elizabeth Fry, the eldest child in the remove of Daniel and Mary.
FreeREG - Elizabeth Fry - Shepton Mallet Ss Peter & Paul 22-Feb-1783
So now will try and trace Daniel's brother John (April 1760? Wambrook) for whom I have
"Inquiry P20/20
Now in Membury, he was born in Wambrook, Dorset. When 12 he went to Axminster & agreed to live with John Seaward for no wages. He stayed 6 years, then agreed for a year at £6 6s, and served 2 years. Then married and went to Membury where he has lived ever since except for a time when he was in the militia, he has lately been discharged."
Cheers
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Hi Watermusic,
I stumbled across this thread yesterday while trying to find the antecedents of my James Fry, born about 1786 in Membury. I've been searching for a long time and from half a world away, but one possibility as father was the John Fry you're looking at.
I wonder if this might be him - the John who came to Membury from Wambrook and apprenticed to John Seaward (possibly an uncle?):
FRY JOHN married MATTOCKS MARY 1785 03 29 AXMINSTER (Devon FHS Marriages)
children:
William, b 1790, bap. 1 Jul 1792 Membury
Daniel, bap. 1 Jul 1792, Membury
Marianne, b 1795, bap. 22 Jun 1802, Membury
George, b 1798, bap. 22 Jun 1802 Membury
There is also this:
Mother: Sarah Dunster, Father: John Fry of Membury, labourer,” (Bastardy Papers Order 2590 A/PO64/14 1786)
As there are no births recorded (that I can find) between 1785 and 1790, I wonder if my James might be a son of John and Mary. Or, in fact, if he might be the bastard born to Sarah Dunster.
Another Fry, John, was born in Membury c.1787, according to censuses and he might also be a son.
(BTW James' son George bap Membury 1820 was convicted of stabbing a man in Somerset in 1841 and transported to Van Dieman's Land. That's my great-great grandfather.)
What do you think?
cheers
Gary
Melbourne, Australia
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Hi Gary,
John Fry, son of Henry Fry (c.1730, ?) and Ann Seward (March1732, Wambrook), born April?, 1760, Wambrook.
The Wambrook register is damaged for many entries from the 1730s to after the 1760s. The exact date of John's baptism is illegible, but in section above 1761
There is, however an early 19thC transcript. The Transcriber found April.
Ann Seward, his mother, was the daughter of George Seward and Ann of Wambrook. Don't know when they married, but I have distinguished this couple as her parents - though for a time I had her confused with 2 other contemporary Ann Sewards in the neighbouring village of Chardstock! She did have a brother, John.
I cannot confirm your trail, but it certainly seems likely. I have found a different spelling to Mary Mattocks -- Matlocke.
As I am in Portugal, although closer to the UK, reaerch problems are much the same!
Watermusic
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Hello everyone, this might be a dead forum (excuse the pun) but I am hoping that some of you are still active after all these years.
My name is Jack Fry and I am trying to build up a picture of my past using a few basic geneology tools. I have dug as far back as the aforementioned Henry Fry c1730 of Wambrook, but have reached a dead end (once again please excuse the pun).
Did anyone have any luck looking further back into the Fry history?
Kind Regards
Jack Fry
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Hi There,
ive recently been looking at my Denning Family ancestors again.
My 4gg is definitely a George Denning, born around 1795/6 in Membury. (from 1851 census)
im trying to work out who exactly his parents are and given the dates i think that David Denning and Sarah Fry are the most likely couple.
Does anybody know where or when David Denning was baptised as i cant seem to find anything for him before his marriage to Sarah in 1791.
Thanks, and i hope somebody is still connected to this thread.
Racheal