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Looking for the baptism in Barnard Castle for John Croudace born there c1806, earliest information I have on him is 1841 census Sherburn, Durham so don't know parents. Name variations could be Cruddas, Crowdas etc.
Thanks to anyone who can help
Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara
Barnard Castle is on the IGI for that period of time but there's no John only a ROBERT CRUDDASS in 1809 & a few others in the 1780's & 90's.
Cheers
Jay
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Hi Jay,
Yes I had looked there, but I'm hoping someone with access to Barnard Castle Parish records may be able to help - could have been missed off the IGI
Thanks for looking,
Barbara
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Have you found out anything on this yet? I am looking for William Cruddace born Barnard Castle 1815. Again no luck on IGI. Anybody help???
Claire :)
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Hi Claire,
No, have not been able to get further back from John Cruddas 1841 census b.1806 Barnard Castle according to later census. Wonder if they were brothers?
The family I'm researching comes down from John's son Thomas b.1844 Sherburn married to Margaret Bergen in Sunderland 1874.
Barbara
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I wonder if they were!
Went down the wrong track with Cruddace/Cruddas and there were a number of Cruddaces who were gamekeepers at Streatlam Castle. It's a pain that our cruddaces are just in that interval where nothing covers them. The Cruddas's (as I was researching) seemed to go between Barnard Castle and Streatlam (which is very close to Barnard Castle), so I wonder if this would be a useful link? I wonder if there are any parish records for Streatlam.... ???
I am descended from William's son Henry who moved to Whickham, Durham.
If I discover anything I will let you know
Claire
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This is the only match for the surname in Co Durham that I can find on the BIVRI:-
John Cruddas
Born - 24th November 1805
Baptised - 26th July 1818 at Egglestone
Parents - Thomas & Elisabeth
Sue
Sorry, should have said only match for a John :-[
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Sue, thank you very much, I think Egglestone is near enough to Barnard Castle to be a very good match, you're a star!
:D :D
Claire, my Cruddas/Croudaces went from Sherburn to West Rainton to Monk Hesledon and then to Hartlepool. Sorry no match for your William, but I'm very glad you posted the query as it's helped with mine (over a year since I first asked so don't give up!).
Barbara
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You`re most welcome Barbara ;D I think Egglestone is about 6 miles from Barnard Castle, pity it didn`t say where he was born but as it was the only match I thought it was worth posting.
Sue
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I'm sure it's right, as you said, not many of that name about then, and that's a bit further back for my friend, she'll be delighted, thanks again
Barbara :)
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Just found this:-
Thomas Cruddas
Born - 15th December 1810
Baptised - 26th July 1818 at Egglestone
Parents- Thomas & Elisabeth
Sue
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Oh Sue, don't spoil it! :D
How odd, do you think that's the same person? Same parents, same baptism date but 5 years between births, two different transcriptions of the same event perhaps, or different children with parents of the same name?
Barbara
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It came up as two different births to the same parents when I just typed in the surname. Unfortunately I couldn`t find any other offspring or any marriages :(
Sue
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Not to worry, I'm very grateful for what you've found
Barbara :D
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My pleasure Barbara ;D
Sue
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Looks to me like two children, older than infants being baptised on the same date, same parents. I have one where three daughter's of varying ages were baptised on the same date. Sort of a three for one special.
The parish record should you ever see it will have quite a bit more information.
Janis
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Thanks Janis,
I've found before that several children were baptised on the same day as a job lot, but it's odd if they were the same parents that the 2 boys would have the same first name - as you say, will have to try to see the PRs
Many thanks,
Barbara
:)
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Sorry I though one was Thomas and the other John.
Janis
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Sue did you edit that or is it my eyesight? I could have sworn you put John Cruddas for both baptisms, (otherwise I wouldn't have queried it) - now the later one reads Thomas
That makes much more sense, 2 brothers baptised the same day but 5 yrs apart in age is fine, and gives me a brother for John.
Whichever way it was, thanks again
Barbara
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No Barbara, no edits from me ;D ;D
Sue
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Sorry I was thinking they were baptised around the dates they were born--so the parish record is not going to have much more than the father occupation. Generally it would not have the date of birth but some curates put them in and some if it was not an infant baptism.
Janis
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Sue,
my eyes then ::) you must have thought it was odd when I asked were they the same person - I read the 2nd one as John - where's the nearest optician
;D ;D
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It was getting late when I posted the info and I`m used to odd so I didn`t think anything of it ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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Yes - I have been called odd before......... :-\
;D ;D
Janis thanks for your information, will try to get to the archives and see if there's any other information
Thanks again both
Barbara
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Gee I work with the odd. Psychiatry is the "id" being treated by the "odd". ;D But I am on vacation this week so I leave work there and otherwise try not to recognize it in my friends.
Janis
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;D ;D ;D ;D I think most of us on this site are a bit odd :D
Sue
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no comment
8)
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Very wise ;) ;D ;D
Sue
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I'm glad to be of service! I was surprised somebody else was researching Cruddace. We could even be connected going back a generation or two (if anything can be discovered for William Cruddace.....)
Claire
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Well if William was brother to Thomas & John ...... will let you know if I find a link.
(actually not my relations, researching for a friend)
Barbara :)
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Sorry Claire I forgot to say, I did look for your William on the BIVRI but unfortunately there were none listed for the period you mentioned :(
Sue
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Thanks anyway!
Claire 8)
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There are some Crudass baptisms around the area of Barnards Castle listed on the Genuki site. I don`t think your William is there but there may be a couple of some help :)
Sue
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Have looked through them. I was going down the wrong cruddas tree until this week, and most of them are in the wrong tree!
I think 1815 is just a really awkward date! ???
Claire
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Although I have just found someone with a tree on ancestry who sounds like they have the same one, so there is hope yet! ;D
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Good luck Claire, I hope you manage to find his baptism :D
Sue
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Hi,
I am researching the Croudace / Crowdace family tree also.
My focus is Monmouthshire, to where apparently a couple of brothers moved to from the Durham area in the very early 1800s.
My tree comes from a John Croudace.
John had three sons:
John W Crowdace1837–
Charles Henry Crowdace1839–1903
Thomas James Crowdace1841–
( All born in Monmouthshire area ).
Although I have full records of his marriage and full details of his descendants, I cannot find where he came from, as unfortunately he doesn't not appear on any census.
Other Croudaces who appear at about the same time in Monmouthshire include:
Ann Jane - died 1830 aged 20, and parish records state she was ' daughter of John '.
Elizabeth - married a William Pascoe in 1824, and the two witnesses at the wedding were James Croudace and Mary Croudace.
So if you have a James or John Croudace in your family tree from Durham who suddenly ' vanish ' from Durham in about 1800, I'd be very grateful to hear from you !
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Hi not sure If this helps anyone researching crudace family
found them on family history
baptisms
3/7/1787 elanor crudace father john mother mary place hartley parish earsdon
24/1/1789 edward crudace father john mother mary place hartley earsdon
11/3/1792 john crudace father john mother elizabeth place hartley parish earsdon In all baptisms father was a pitman
not sure where earsdon Is
lynnej
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Earsdon is in Norhtumberland
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Hi
When searching around Barnard Castle.. dont forget.. that it actually sits on the border for Durham and North Yorkshire.
For all some children could have been baptised Barnard Castle / Egglestone..
Some may have been baptised Startforth area too.. classed as Yorkshire.. but long ago was actually in Durham.
I have a family who baptised children at Both Barny and Startforth..
Startforth is just over the river.. so dont dismiss a check on the IGI for Yorkshire.. too
Yours
The Vicars Wife
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I went to Barnard Castle this week and there was one (just one.....) Cruddas grave - a George Cruddas who died in 1835...... any bells? Not in my tree unfortunately!!
Claire
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There is a John Croudace on the Welsh census, listed as born in 1809 in Barnard Castle on the 1851, 1871 and 1881 census.
Married to a Sarah, no sign of children.
1851
HO107/2512 Folio 423 Page 2
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How interesting, wonder which one he is then? My John b. 1806 stayed in Durham, I have all the census for him. Maybe he's one of Claire's?
Barbara :)
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His wife is listed as being born in Whorlton, in 1805.
Census lists Johns profession as Gamekeeper in 1851 and 1871, and on 1881 as farmer of 5 acres and gamekeeper.
His birthplace is listed as Straitlam / Streatham on the 1881 and 1871 census, but Barnard Castle for the 1851 on the ancestry record.
However looking at the actual census form, there is no mention of Barnard Castle, it says Streatham on 1851, Durhamshire on 1871, Straitlam on 1881.
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Yes I see the 1851 entry for Streatlam. So which ancestry record shows Barnard Castle, one of the ancestry trees?
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On the tree the Barnard Castle reference comes from the 1861 census, have just checked that and it is correct on the image, odd
Barbara :)
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I've just looked again and it's on the 1861 record only.
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Just checking where they are in 1841............
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Found their (possible) marriage:
Teesdale District
St. Mary's Church, Whorlton
22 Jun 1833 John Croudace, of the Parish of Barnard Castle married Sarah Smith, of this parish
Can't find them in 1841 though, will have a look tomorrow
Barbara
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John could be one of mine as they were gamekeepers. I am having a cruddace brick wall moment and am looking at other branches at the moment! Still searching for William Croudace 1815 baptism - all I know that it wasn't in Barnard Castle! I have changed my croudace line at least 3 times in the last few months but now know he is definitely mine.
Claire
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I didn't find them in 1841 though, in England or Wales :-\
Barbara