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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Anjo on Monday 20 November 06 21:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I have a William Rushton born abt 1850 in Ashbourne, Derbyshire.
Trouble is I can't find any birth record for him on the IGI and I can't find him on census prior to his marriage. I can't even find a birth year for him in the Ashbourne dist. And nothing at all for his marriage. He's a ghost in the true sense of the word. >:(
In 1871 he is with wife Hannah
William Rushton 21
Hannah " 24
Arthur " 2
George " 3mts
All said to be born in Ashbourne and living in Dove house green, Ashbourne.
In 1881 he is at same address age 31 with wife and kids (all born Ashbourne)
In 1891 he is at same address age 42 with wife and kids
In 1901 he is at same address age 51 with wife and dau.
Now the only time I've been able to spot him before his marriage is age 6mts living in Dove House Green, Ashbourne (1851) but he is listed on the top of a page on his own. so I click back to see the previous page and nothing no family to go with him. The family before his entry are called Spencer and are underlined after all the family members. There is then half a blank page.....plenty of room to add little William if he did belong. My gut feeling is something is awfully wrong with the census.
Can any of you help me sort him out please.
One clue to his marriage is that his wife could be Hannah Derbyshire daughter of Hannah.
Williams daughter was living with her grandmother in AShbourne and she was named as Hannah Derbyshire.
I hope some clever little Angel can help me sort them out.
Thanks Angela.
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Hi Anjo
1851
Bit of a long shot
On the census sheets there is a family called Rushton living on Dove House Green
Hannah Rushton head u/m 27 char woman Staffs Fouton?
Samuel " brother u/m 14 brick maker Staffs Levinscoe?
Rachel " sister u/m 9 " "
Emma " sister u/m 4 " "
H0107/ 2146
folio 260
page 16
The names above have been trascribed as Bustton
Looking at the numbering on the sheets they are all over the place, so might not be in the right order. Plus some of the street names have been crossed out and another street name added.
ricky
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Hi
Just to confirm that the family listed by Ricky is correct and to explain the entry
for William Rushton in 1851 Census.
The page on which William appears is actually a correction page, if you go to the bottom
of this page you will see it states "The above were omitted in Nos79,88,126,210,150,225"
These are actually Schedule Numbers, which appear against the head of each household.
As William Rushton is the first correction you then match him with the first number,
which is Schedule Number 79.
The full reference for Hannah Rushton & her siblings is HO107/2146 Folio 260 Schedule 79
I found them by looking for this schedule number and not by name as Ricky did.
What a wonderful sister looking after and supporting all those children, she obviously
saved them from the workhouse.
Good Luck
Spendlove
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Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh thanks guys now I'm back on the road ;D
Hannah was born Fenton, Staffs and brother and sisters are born Swinscoe, staffs. Great woman for minding siblings but daft girl for getting pregnant.
Ah well it might explain why I can't find a birth record for him. I'll go and look for Hannah on 1841 and see what I can come up with.
Thanks a million for the breakthrough you two. I really appreciate it.
All the best Angela.
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Looking for Swinscoe Staffs in Bartholomew's Gazetteer, it refers you to
Blore with Swinscoe. par. and eccl. dist (B. Ray) N. Staffs, 3 1/2 miles N. W. of
Ashbourne;
Blore Ray batch numbers on IGI are:-
Blore Ray
C066471 1813-1872 E066472
M066471 1813-1834
M066472 1668-1812
This information is taken from
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu
Spendlove
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Thanks Spendlove
I know all that...lots of my family are from there but no chr on net for my Rushtons
I am still really struggling to make sense of these Rushtons. If anyone would like to jump in and help I would be extremely grateful.
Right in 1861 I have found Samuel Rushton now married to Olive Hand.
I have found Rachel and Emma as servants in same household in Mappleton.
But no sign of Hannah or William gggggrrrrr. So I went through the census disc to check out Dove Gardens as my gut feeling is William should be there somewhere.
I found a William Hewson age 10 living with his grandmother in Dove House gardens.......could aged granny have forgot his surname??? I couldn't find this William on the 1861. He had a brother George age 5 too. Now ither Hannah died or is prison or has remarried and left the kids I don't know. I wish I did.
I know I'm clutching at straws but with a lack of info on the net I'm getting fustrated.
Will see what else I can dig up.
Thanks for your help spendlove
Angela.
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Hi Anjo
There is a reference to a marriage in 1856 in Ashbourne
Hannah Rushton
1856
June Quarter
Ashbourne
Derbyshire
vol 7b
page 704a
Only problem is there is no other name on the sheet
ricky
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Latest update is I have now found this family in Dove HOuse Green, AShbourne
Hannah Derbyshire 41 b. Fenton Head widow
George Derbyshire 16 b. Ashbourne son
Clarah Derbyshire 6 b. Ashbourne dau
Hannah Hewson/Howson 67 b. Swinscoe Mother wid
So Hannah (head of family) must be William Rushton's mother and married ??? Derbyshire and had George.
Hannah Howson/Hewson is her mother.
More marriages to follow up on.
ANgela
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Thanks Ricky
Now with the name Derbyshire I can track if any Derbyshire married that year and hopefully make a match.
Now to check the 1861 for Hannah Derbyshire
Ooooppps census details before were from the 1871
The search goes on
Thanks for help Ricky....very much appreciated
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More news,
I have been able to find a birth and chr to Clara Derbyshire
She was born 11 Apr 1864 and chr 13 Apr 1864 in St Oswalds, Ashbourne, Derbyshire parents named as Jonathan Derbyshire and Hannah. Well I now know who she married but not when.
I also need to sort out her mother.
And then back to original problem of finding out who William Rushton married.
The search isn't over yet.
Angela.
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I have just found Hannah with hubby Jonathan living in Dove house green of all places on the 1851. Don't know how I missed them first time round.
Jonathan 55 b. Ashbourne#
Hannah 32 b. Staffordshire. (can't read the town though)
Samuel 25 b. Ashbourne (son)
Mary 1 b. Ashbourne (dau)
Jonathan must have been married before.
Which would explain why maybe the William and George listed as Howson are with their gmother in 1851?
All I need are dates and facts now.
Angela.
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Just to add to things.
The census was the 1861....sorry to mislead you.
Mary Derbyshire showing as 1 year old dau on this census just so happens to Marry my g-g-uncle James Grindey which is a real surprise.
I think chr and marriages will have to wait till I can get to England and check the records office's.
all the best Angela.
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Another breakthrough.
I found Mary Derbyshire in 1871 living with her Aunt Rachel Brown and from that I found a marriage on the Igi which fits perfectly plus it names Rachels father as William Rushton.
Rachel Rushton married John Brown 25 May 1868 Duffield, Derbyshire her father named as William and his father named as Joseph. She was age 26 (which fits) and he was 21 which fits with age on census.
Angela.
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Think this is only going to complicate matters, but here goes:-
Jonothan Derbyshire = Hannah Howson 30.5.1859, this is recorded on civil registrations
as June Q 1859 Belper Registration District (includes Wirksworth) 7b 790.
You can also see the full record of this marriage on
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/Menu.htm#search
click on item 1 Parish Registers and follow instructions.
This states that Jonothan was a widower and full age and Hannah Howson was single
and of full age. Both were of Wirksworth Parish
Being a bit slow, how did we get from Rushton to Howson?
Spendlove
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Oh god this is now getting ever so confusing.
Hannah Rushton, mother to baby Wm age 6mts on 1851 census seems to have a mother called Hannah Howson.
Hannah Rushton married Jonathan Derbyshire. Or should have done.
I really need some chr records to sort this lot out.
Right let me run through the family as I think they are.
William Rushton married Hannah unknown and had these children
Sarah born abt 1825
Hannah born abt 1829
Ann born abt 1832
Samuel born abt 1835
Rachel born abt 1842
Emma born abt 1847
In 1841 there is a Hannah Rushton living in Blore
hannah Rushton 35 ind y
Sarah Rushton 15 y
Hannah Rushton 12 y
Ann Rushton 9 y
Samuel Harrison 4 y (not sure how he fits in but Samuel rushton is living elsewhere in 1841 which I can't lay my hands on those notes.
Now in 1851
Hannah Rushton jnr is living in Dove House green Ash with siblings Samuel, Rachel and Emma and son Wm age 6mts
Hannah Rushton senior seems to have remarried and been widowed again and is a char woman in Ilam called Hannah Howson and age 49 and born Swinscoe.
1861
Hannah Howson is living with grandchildren William and George Howson of whom I think are wrongly named and should be Rushton.
Hannah Rushton is now married to Jonathan and living with him and his son and thier Dau Mary
1871
Hannah Derbyshire is a now a widow and living with her son George and dau Clara and her mother Hannah Howson
Does that help to make sense of things.
It wouldn't surprise me if Hannah had taken the name Howson for marriage to Jonathan. its all very messy but thanks to your help and determination we might get them sorted.
Thanks a million for the lookup.
One thing I did find out though was Jonathan's first wife died in 1855 and that mystery wedding in 1856 of Hannah rushton to no groom would fit in nicely. Jonathan and Hannah were neighbours so it would all fit. But that marriage you've found is very very interesting.
Thanks for not giving up on me...I appreciate all your help.
Angela.
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I've just had a thought........
If Hannah's mother remarried to say Wm Howson maybe thats whom she put as father?? and ither she was wrongly put as Howson or......... wrongly transcribed. Can't understand why Wirksworth though. Seems strange as they were both in Ashbourne. but date would fit with thier dau being born in 1860.
I think its a very strong contender and I do thank you for showing it me.
Angela.
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Update ....... a diff tack.
William Howson married Hannah Harrison 16 Oct 1820 in Ilam derbyshire.
They had a daughter Hannah Howson chr 24 May 1829 Lane end, Staffordshire.
Hannah then went on to Marry Jonathan Derbyshire in 1859 in wirksworth.
Lovely all making sense except that the name Rushton has been thrown in.
I am awaiting some scans from a book about Swinscoe from my friend that mentions a child being buried in Common End Swinscoe in 1838 belonging to Hannah Haryson/Rushton.
Hannah Howson was living in Common End in 1841 with dau's Hannah, Sarah, Ann and a child Samuel Harrison age 4. (Except that they all, apart from Samuel, have the surname Rushton)
Now I only started looking at this family when I was trying to find the parents of William Rushton born 1850 Ashbourne, Derbyshire. I could never find any birth record but seeing as his mother used the name Howson on her marriage I checked the chr records again and found a William Howson chr 23 Sep 1850 to mother Hannah Howson in St Oswalds, Ashbourne. This must be my man.
What does anyone think?? I really need some opinions.
Hopefully Angela. :-\
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A new twist to the tale.
I wonder if this is how the name Rushton came into this family.
There is a William Howson chr 17 Mar 1800 in Ilam, Derbyshire to mother Mary Howson.
On the same day in Ilam, Mary Howson married John Rushton.
could it be possible then that William went by both names??? and then wife Hannah couldn't make up her mind whether she should be Mrs Howson or Mrs Rushton????
Any comments people??? or am I confusing everyone?
Angela.
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Hi
have just joined this site - hopefully some of the people in this discussion are still around.
My grt grt grandfather was Samuel RUSHTON, born about 1837 in Swinscoe, STS. William Rushton was Samuel's father, but I have no siblings for Samuel, nor a mother.
Would be pleased to exchange info that I have.
Rob
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;D I'm still around and glad to find someone to share this headache with me. Would love to see how your research compares with mine.
by the way welcome to rootschat and hope you can find some answers to your families.
I have sent you a personal message
Talk to you soon I hope
Anjo
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Hi Anjo
Thanks for your messages.
This family was giving me headaches too, due to the large number of William Rushtons living in Staffordshire at any one time.
My next plan had been to go to the County Record Office in Stafford and go through the baptisms, marriages and burials for Ellastone, in the hope that it would turn up some clues.
Looks like the Record Offcie for Derbyshire may also be on the itinery.
Samuel was my grt grt grandad.
his son William was my grt grandad
There are Samuels and Williams in each generation it seems....
I'll post the descendents of Samuel privately to you over the weekend.
regards
Rob
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I'll look forward to your reply Rob.
I would be interested in anything you find in the recs office in Staffs too as i'm unable to get there. Ellastone records won't help you though.
Its the Ilam parish records and Blore parish records that you need to look at. The Blore records cover Swinscoe and the Ilam records will have records of the earlier Howson/Rushton families. This is basically what I have
John Rushton married Mary Howson 17 Mar 1800 in Ilam, Staffs. On the same day a Mary Howson had a son William Howson chr. I think officially William was a Howson but went by the name Rushton.
16 Oct 1820 William Howson (known as Rushton) married Hannah Harrison in Ilam and had the following children that I know of
Sarah 1826 (don't know where she was born but was living with parents 1841)
Hannah 1829 b. Fenton, Staffs
Ann 1832 (don't know where she was born but was living with parents 1841)
Samuel Harrison Rushton b. 1837 Swinscoe, Staffs
Rachel b. 1842 Swinscoe, Staffs
Emma b. 1847 Swinscoe, Staffs
In 1841 Sarah, Hannah, Ann and Samuel were all living with their mother (father William presumably dead) and called Rushton
In 1851 Mother Hannah b. 1805 was a laundress in a big house leaving her daughter Hannah (b. 1829) in charge of the other siblings
Hannah b. 1829 as well as minding siblings Sam, Rachel and Emma also had her own son William Rushton. (All living in Dove Green, Ashbourne
Hannah b. 1829 had another son George Rushton b. abt 1855
Hannah b. 1829 then married Jonathan Derbyshire 1859 and had several more children with him. On her marriage to Jonathan she was called Howson. (Again I think this was their official name but they went under the name Rushton. Very confusing and very annoying.
My thinking is that dau Hannah b. 1829 knew about the two names her father had and used them both too but her younger siblings thankfully were happy to remain as Rushton. Sister Rachel married as Rachel Rushton. (She married John Brown 25 May 1888 Duffield, Derbyshire)
Hope that helps with your research
Would be nice if the parish records did mention the Alias names or shed some light on to this matter. I'm fairly certain that I have the right family and all dates etc seem to fit.
Look forward to hearing from you again
Anjo
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Hi Anjo
Wow, thanks for that long message.
The reason I was going to look at Ellastone in the Record Office is because William, Samuel's son was born at Northwood Calwich in 1861. I was told by a very old lady in Swinscoe that this is the little row of terraced houses opposite Northwood Farm. I'd taken this to be part of Ellastone, but there appears to be very few RUSHTON's listed in any databases for Ellastone, so will try the others, as you suggest.
I'm lucky that I live halfway between Ashbourne and Stafford, so research on this shouldn't be too much of a problem.
I'd be willing to do any look-ups you might have outstanding, within reason, of course.
Lunch break is almost over - got to get back to work!
regards
Rob
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Have you checked out the familysearch.org site Rob? there is a chr on there for a william Rushton being chr 15 Dec 1861 in St Peters, Ellastone to parents Samuel Rushton and Olive. Don't know if you know it already or not but Samuel married Olive Hand 1860 St Lukes, Silverdale, Staffs
There is one other child to Samuel and Olive chr in Ellastone and thats Mary Ann Rushton chr 19 Aug 1866. I also found chr for a
John George Rushton 5 Jul 1863 Stapenhill,
Elizabeth chr 19 Mar 1865 Stapenhill,
Anna chr 30 Dec 1868 died 1 Jun 1869 Stapenhill,
Hannah chr 2 May 1869 Stapenhill
but the records on familysearch.org don't seem to cover the dates needed for Joseph 1873, Frank 1876, Arthur 1878 and Louisa 1881.
Sorry if you already have this info but thought i'd pass it on just incase you haven't got it. I'll be quiet now........well for a while anyway ;D
Talk to you soon
Angela.
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Hi Angela
I had already found all Samuel's kids from later censuses and birth registrations, but it is good when someone else has got the same results through independent research, it reassures me that I haven't overlooked any sources.
Will forward my Rushton line separately by email. Hopefully you will find something of use to you.
regards
Rob
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hi Angela
From the 1881 census and in familysearch.org:
Joseph RUSHTON Household Male
Birth Year <1873>
Birthplace Stapenhill, Derby, England
Age 8
Occupation Scholar
Marital Status
Head of Household Samuel RUSHTON
Relation Son
Disability
Source Information:
Dwelling 31 Hill Street
Census Place Stapenhill, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341660
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2759 / 18
Page Number 2
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Frank RUSHTON Household Male
Birth Year <1876>
Birthplace Stapenhill, Derby, England
Age 5
Occupation Scholar
Marital Status
Head of Household Samuel RUSHTON
Relation Son
Disability
Source Information:
Dwelling 31 Hill Street
Census Place Stapenhill, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341660
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2759 / 18
Page Number 2
_____________________________________________________
Arthur RUSHTON Household Male
Birth Year <1878>
Birthplace Stapenhill, Derby, England
Age 3
Occupation Scholar
Marital Status
Head of Household Samuel RUSHTON
Relation Son
Same address and census details as above
_________________________________________
Louisa RUSHTON Household Female
Birth Year <1881>
Birthplace Stapenhill, Derby, England
Age 2 w
Occupation
Marital Status
Head of Household Samuel RUSHTON
Relation Daur
same address and census detail as above
______________________________________________________
regards
Rob