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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: Keith Sherwood on Thursday 16 November 06 18:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Everyone,
A bit of a long shot, this one, but I've discovered that a family I had thought were from the Saffron Walden area on the Cambs/Essex border may indeed have originated from Hertfordshire.
On IGI there is a marriage of a John Ginn SEARLE and an Ann BROWN on 14-09-1752 at St Michael's Bishop's Stortford. I know from his death entry in a Chapel notebook that he must have been born in 1730 or 1731.
So has anyone come across a pocket of SEARLE's in the Bishop's Stortford area in the 18thC or before, or even a baptism in 1730/1 of an individual with this rather unusual second forename...?
Very best wishes,
keith
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A bit of a long shot, this one
So is this one!!
Edward Searle aged 84 buried 31/10/1804 - Barkway.
Not that close to Bishop Stortford I know but.....
Cheers
Keith
P. S. I think "Jericho" has some later in BS
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Keith,
Thanks so much for pointing that entry out for me. Who is "Jericho", exactly, is he/she a Rootschatter?
keith
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Hi Keith,
Jericho is a RootsChatter and she is following a Searles line but I'm not too sure if there would be a link to your Searles, possibly some sort of relationship though. Follow the link below, it will give you an idea about Jericho's research.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,53813.0.html
Jerichos's line leads back to Henry Searles who was baptised 19 Feb 1797 Felsted, Essex, he eventually moved to Hertfordshire. It would be a good idea to contact her though because she may have info on your Searles.
Regards.
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Findem,
Thanks very much for pointing directing me towards Jericho. I'm definitely struggling with this SEARLE family pre-1730, though I've had an exciting link-up with another Rootschatter on an Essex thread who is descended from the line I am researching beyond that date...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Hi Keith,
If your Searles quest leads you back to Essex (from Herts) and you hit a brick wall, feel free to contact me. I have quite a bit of Essex Searles info, both of my line and some that are not. I am also in touch with other Essex Searles researchers, some of whom are still not on RootsChat in spite of my constant urging :o
Best of luck with your research
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Findem,
I'm presently in contact with Reilly, another Rootschatter, about the SEARLE's of Saffron Walden - fascinating stuff it is too - and I'll PM you later today. Now off on a trail of discovery in London, catching the train in about half an hour. Will be in touch...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Looking forward to hearing from you, hope your trip to London pays off.
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Hi Keith,
In 2006 you were looking for a "pocket of Searles in Bishops Stortford", I've just had contact by a friend and fellow researcher who mentioned a Henry Searles born Felsted 1797, married in Sawbridgeworth and raised quite a few children in B S, it rung a bell, I knew I had read or been in contact with person/s who were interested in the Herts line of Searles, a search of my posts revealed your name.
The guys name is Pete Rosseter, have you been in contact with him?
Regards
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Hi again, Findem,
Thanks very much for that information. If you were to PM me, could you give me details about how I could contact the gentleman you mention in your previous post,
Regards, keith
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Hi all
I am a firm believer that my wife's relative Phoebe Tearle could be a mis-written Searle.
Anyone else think similar or that I could even be correct???
pm if you think positively and I'll start a new thread.
Regards
Ray
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Hi Ray,
In order that people can help you will need to post a bit more info regarding Phoebe, such as birth date or approximate year of birth, birthplace and names of parents if known.
Regards,
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Hi Ray,
Forgot to ask if you've used the Search facility to check for Phoebe Searle on the Hertfordshire boards?
I did and several posts regarding a Phoebe Searle came up, of course I can't say if any or all are your Phoebe Tearle.
By the way my maternal grandmother was an Essex Searles, a sibling of one of my Searles ancestors, Henry Searles was baptised 19 Feb1797 in Felsted, Essex, Henry married a Mary Wright in 1820 in Sawbridgeworth and started a Hertfordshire line.
Regards.
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Hi Keith
I have been researching the Searles name in Bishop Stortford and the Henry Searles that married Mary Wright are my x 3 greatgrandparents,Henry Searles was born in Felstead to Thomas Searles and his wife Mary ( possibly Ingham) Henry moved to Hertfordshire before 1820 and had several children, all of these children were christened in Water Lane Independent Church. Being possibly the first generation of his family to live in Bishop Stortford, I haven't found any mention of your Searles but if I do will certainly let you know.
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Ray
If you think there is a possibility of your Pheobe being a Searles, please give us some more information as I have a couple in my tree, do you have any idea who Pheobe married?
jericho
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Hiya
To save confusing Keith's thread I will start a fresh one and refer back to this one.
.... now where are my notes.
Cheers
Ray
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Hi Jericho,
Just thought I'd mention that Henry's mother (wife of Thomas Searles) was Mary Gunn and that's all I know of her, Mary has eluded me for years but I have recently found a possible candidate who I will follow up, I won't be holding my breath though.
Regards.
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Hi Derek
Have had a quick look on IGI and Thomas Searles and Mary Gunn had their 1st child in abt 1746 and as my Henry was born 1797, I'm not convinced that these are Henry parents, just seems like too much of a stretch to me, having your last child 50 years after your first one was born. Unless of course there is another Mary Gunn who married a Thomas Searles much later.
jericho
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Hi Jericho,
Sorry about that gaff, boy did I stuff up :-[
The Henry Searle baptised 15 Feb 1797 at Felsted wasn't of course the son of Thomas Searle and Mary Gunn (they were the next generation in my line), Henry was the son of Thomas Searle and Sarah Willers (Willis) who married in 1785.
Henry was the sixth in a family of ten children, the baptism entry for Henry gave his parents as Thomas and Mary Searle, however the the five children before him and the four after were all stated to be the children of Thomas and Sarah Searle.
After a lot of research and soul searching, several other Searles researchers and myself consider the the recorder of Henry's baptism entry made an error and should have recorded the mother's name as Sarah. We could find no Thomas and Mary Searle in the Felsted neck of the woods, the nearest I could find was a Thomas and Mary Searl who baptised a son Thomas in 1760 at Stebbing. From memory I believe one of the other researchers found a like error in another family name in the same handwriting.
Regards.
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My husband,s 3 x great grandfather was John Searle(s) who married and died in Takeley near Bishop's Stortford. He was born abt 1809, married on 12 Oct 1835 to Mercy Griggs and was buried on 11 Sep 1856. The birth year is calculated from age at death. Unfortunately I can't find him on 1851 census so I don't know place of birth.
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Hi LizzieL
1841 HO107 340 19 31, Essex , Takeley District 10
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Waltham Hall - the only name I recognise - north-east of Stansted Airport
Is the rest of this whole census part under the airport?
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John Searle 30 Essex
Mary Searle 20 Essex
Emma Searle 4 Essex
Harriet Searle 2 Essex
George Searle 1 Essex
Sarah Searle 6/12 Essex
also
Page 5
Giles Searle 65 Essex
Jane Searle 65 Essex
Henry Searle 20 Essex
also
Page 6
Thomas Searle 60 Essex
Jane Searle 35 Essex
William Searle 16 Essex
Susanna Searle 20 Essex
also
Page 7
Jonathan Searle 35 Essex
Hannah Searle 30 Essex
Rhoda Searle 12 Essex
Isabella Searle 10 Essex
Jonathan Searle 8 Essex
also
Page 8/9
James Searle 30 Essex
Mary Searle 30 Essex
Louisa Searle 8 Essex
Ann Searle 5 Essex
Sophia Searle 3 Essex
Eliza Searle 6/12 Essex
Ray
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Thanks Ray, the first family belong to my husband. Jonathan is the son of Giles and Jane, but I had missed Thomas, who by his age is a candidate for our John's father.
But is there a connection with Keith's John Searle?
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Hi
Give me a chance, I did the easy bit first. ::)
At the mo, I can't even find takeley on the 1851 census ???
;D
Ray
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Unfortunately, according to FindMyPast, that area is one of the known permanent gaps on the 1851 census. I have baptism transcript for Takeley, but our John isn't on it. There is an older John baptised on the same day as Jonathan (son of Giles) - 10 Feb 1805. The older John's parents are John and Sarah. I think I have found this Sarah described as a "poor widow" in Felsted in 1841 census. There is also a John b 1805 in Felsted but different household, but this may be coincidence and they are not the ones from Takeley.
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Hi LizzieL,
Without wishing to hijack Keith's Hertfordshire Searles post, for what is worth I have on my Spares Database a John Searle who might be a possible.
John Searle of John & Sarah baptised 12 Nov 1802 at Felsted, Essex which is only about 7 miles from Takeley
Other children of a John & Sarah Searle baptised at Felsted:
Sarah Searles born 7 Mar 1773 baptised 2 Apr 1773.
John Searle bap 23 Jul 1773.
John Searle married Sarah Burls 20 Oct 1804 at Felsted by Licence, Sarah signed Burles.
Sarah Searle bap 2 Feb 1806 of John Searle & Sarah Burls
Mary Searle born 27 Apr 1814 bap 2 Oct 1814 of John Searle & Sarah Burls.
Can't be 100% sure but I believe the name Burls came from the entries for those two children and not my conclusion.
The John Searles bap 1802, Sarah bap 1806 and the 1804 marriage were sourced from Felsted transcripts, the others from the PRS, if these are of any interest to you it would of course be wise to have them double checked. Those Searles were found in passing and recorded "just in case" so there is a possibility there could be others waiting to be found.
I haven't found a link to my Searles line but It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were linked.
Regards
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Thanks for all that information. So it looks like the Felstead John and Sarah (mother) are different and just a coincidence in names. So I am leaning more towards to my John being the one baptised in Takeley on same day as Jonathan. The only evidence I have for his age is 1841 census (rounded) and reported age at death (from transcription of death register - unknown informant but wife was still alive at this time).
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Hi
My Searle line are from Bishops Stortford.
George Searle born 1816 in BS to Wm Searle and Sarah Savil.
Wm and Sarah were married in Takeley in 1798.
A son Charles was born in Takeley in 1798, the rest of the children in BS.
Williams parents were Thomas Searle and Hannah Gilby married in Stansted Mountfitchet and were in BS from 1779 onwards.
Any connections.
Can send more info on the family lines offline if you are interested.
We also have 2 Searle relatives in the Searle yDNA project, but no matches yet.
Would love to get some more Essex/Herts Searles in the project to see who is connected or not.
cheers
Frances
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Hi gensfj,
I'll get back to you regarding the offline contact, I need first to search for a book I have to see if it has mention of a Takeley Searles connection. The book was entitled from Bardfield to Brooke End and was written by Ken Searles, Ken did a heap of research on the Essex Searles but offhand I can't recall if he covered the Takeley line.
I've personally tracked my Searles line back to the family of William Searles c1680 and his wife Grace Goldstone 1685, with no sign of a Takeley connection but then I haven't followed up ancestor siblings in depth so......
Missing registers are also a great problem with the Essex Searles, many lines (including mine) head back to Great Saling whose registers only go back to about 1713 or thereabouts, same problem with Stebbing.
I'll hunt up the book, I think I know where it is and then get back to you.
Regards.
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Hi gensfj,
Well I've had a good look at the book I mentioned and found no references to Searles in Takeley, since there are quite a few shown in Takeley transcripts I found that surprising. Ken Searles was of course in the main following his own line (and mine) plus any offshoots that he found connection to, so perhaps he just didn't find a connection to the Takeley line, personally I would be very surprised if they are not linked to the rest. He does trace Searles in a lot of Essex parishes, if you imagine a line drawn East to West and passing through Chelmsford with the eastern boundary a line north to south passing through Braintree, that area would contain all the Searles mentioned in the book.
If you would like to send any of your Essex Searles I would be happy to look through my lot and some spares I have to see if there are any matches, I'll PM my email address to you.
Regards.
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Hi - I'm a complete newbie but came across this website when looking to find out about Searle Way in BS. many of the Searle side of my family actually lived in Newport Essex - grandfather was born there but as he died in 1926 when my father was 6 and he was bought up by his grandparents and mother in Saffron Walden - she died in 1934 in child birth and my father styed with his grandparents - Bouch. A lot of the family travelled to Australia some on their own but sometimes at the invitation of the court!
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Hi
My Searle line are from Bishops Stortford.
George Searle born 1816 in BS to Wm Searle and Sarah Savil.
Wm and Sarah were married in Takeley in 1798.
A son Charles was born in Takeley in 1798, the rest of the children in BS.
Williams parents were Thomas Searle and Hannah Gilby married in Stansted Mountfitchet and were in BS from 1779 onwards.
Any connections.
Can send more info on the family lines offline if you are interested.
We also have 2 Searle relatives in the Searle yDNA project, but no matches yet.
Would love to get some more Essex/Herts Searles in the project to see who is connected or not.
cheers
Frances
I am looking into my Searle family from B.S......I have been DNA tested and I'm interested in any project that helps to untangle this family.....I would like to hear from you..Steve