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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 14 November 04 09:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
If anyone wants any details of headstones etc in the Whitchurch, North Shropshire, area -
I will do my best to oblige - if you give me as much detail as possible.
Just to Add - Whitchurch - under a third have headstones of which only a third are readable.
So don't expect to much!!
Have just found this site which has details of how you can purchase lists of MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS in Shropshire - expect this is better than me walking round - except it cost a few pounds.
http//www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/SFHS/MI_Transcripts.html
I am sorry this link is not working at the moment
Will carry on - but for a complete list try the above.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith, Just posted a message to you on your visit to Records Office but noticed this posting - do you live in the Whitchurch area and if so what local records are available.
My husband's family originated from Whitchurch and I have found finding sources extremely difficult.
When I visited there some years back I had no luck in graveyards etc.
Regards, Irene, Australia
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Hi Irene,
Yes got your message about records office will see what comes up.
Yes I now live in Whitchurch, Shropshire - the library only has stuff for the very local area - census for 1841 and 1901 + parish registers - again only for Whitchurch,Prees, Whixall and surrounds - any use??
Graveyard is a bit of a mess - any names required? - and when the sun comes out and the winds stop I can have a look for you.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Absolutely on the Parish Records and census in Whitchurch Library.
I should imagine that you should find my Hunt's there!!
Basically on a lot of them I'm hoping that there might be info on the actual parish records that I don't have from the indexes at SOG.
Can you let me know when you are likely to visit library and I will type up a readable, user friendly list and send.
Regards, Irene
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Hi Irene
Any time you are ready - It's only down the road - You've got me worried now talking about lists!! ;D ;D ;D
No - anything you think they have put down - can use this as practice for when I go to Herts Records to look up details for my Tree - hopefully in the Spring/Summer.
Just remember I don't think the records go as far as Market Drayton - that only 15 miles away - but the local library records still only goes a few miles away!!
Fire Away
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith, Sorry do get you worried - the list is not large and I have all the actual dates with one exception.
What I am hoping is that on the parish record itself there is more info than I have got from the indexes at SOG and IGI. What I'm really looking for is any of these things - Ages, Parents Names, OTP or otherwise (with regard to marriages). Regarding baptisms actual birthdates if included because I have some really strange marriage ages.
Anyway here they are - am including Adderley and Norton in Hales in the hope that their records are also at Whitchurch library!
WHITCHURCH
Marriages
5 November 1771 David Hunt & Elizabeth Chesters
4 January 1827 John Cox & Elizabeth Cooke
14 October 1767 John Cooke & Hannah Harrison
19 January 1729 Richard Cooke & Ann Lowe
22 April 1700 Roger Cooke & Mary Yates
Baptisms
10 August 1800 Elizabeth Cook
13 April 1788 John Hunt
C1750 Elizabeth Chesters (this is a rough date could be either way)
ADDERLEY
MARRIAGES
31 December 1829 Joseph Hunt & Hannah Bloore
18 November 1809 John Hunt & Mary Blantern
BAPTISMS
19 April 1812 Joseph Hunt
NORTON IN HALES
MARRIAGES
11 November 1792 Abraham Bloore & Rhoda Austin
C1720 Daniel Bloore & Sarah Dutton
BAPTISMS
15 October 1758 Abraham Bloore (I know his father's name is Thomas but I'm hoping for a mothers name)
21 February 1830 James Hunt
I know its a huge ask Keith but anything at all would be fantastic and please contact me if I can do anything "down under" for you.
Cheers, Irene
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Hi Irene,
Will see what comes up - bet you've got more info than Whitchurch!! ;D ;D
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Irene,
Do you want the good news ;D ;D or the not so good news ;) ;) or the bad news >:( >:(
Start with the bad news Adderley and Norton are not there - ONLY Whitchurch - nowhere else - except for the censuses
The not so good news the records are typed from 1745 -1812 and then on fiche from 1813-1892 - so not much extra information on the typed copies - only witnesses.
Right - now the good news - I found the rest and some more Chester/s while I looked at the baptisms - hope 1758 doesn't throw you to much!!
Marriages
As Stated nothing before 1745
5 Nov 1771 David Hunt & Elizabeth Chesters - by banns Witness John Llewellin
14 Oct 1767 John Cooke & Hannah Harrison - by banns Witness Ann Perry.
Page 161 Parish of Whitchurch, County of Salop.
John Cox & Elisabeth Cook ["e" at the end of name scrubbed out -very particular!] - both OTP. - by Banns
4th day of January 1827 - by me William Teuton in the presence of Joseph Cox and Mary Ellis.
Both signed their names - no X marks here!!
I have listed some extra Chester/s found as even if they are not yours they might help someone else!!
Baptisms.
1749 - July 30th George son of Thomas & Mary Chester
1750 - Dec 26th John son of Thomas & Margaret Chesters
1754 - Feb 26th Thomas son of Joseph & Elisabeth Chesters
Apr 15th Sarah Dau of John & Sarah Chesters
Nov 10th William son of John & Susan Chesters
1756 - July 25th Daniel son of John & Mary Chester
1758 - March 30th Elisabeth dau of John & Sarah Chester
March 31st Thomas son of Thomas & Margaret Chester
1760 - May 10th Joseph son of Joseph and Elizabeth Chester
1761 - May 9th Richard base son of Jane Chester
Hope that helps a bit!!
Cheers
Keith
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Thank you Keith,
I doubt with the Elizabeth Chester (baptism) is mine because its too late - of course she may have been a late baptism.
Do you know if there is any reason why the Whitchurch Parish REcords are so meagre or are they stored elsewhere?
Also do you know where the Norton-in-Hales and Adderley ones are kept?
The Cooke/Cox info was great because the witness being Joseph Cox sort of tells me that I have the right family because I have John Cox with a brother a couple of years younger and father named Joseph.
What census' does the library have? I gather you mean just for Whitchurch!
Regards, Irene
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Hi Irene,
Thanks for the reply re Edward!!
Yes I saw afterwards that Elizabeth was a bit young for kids!!
I did start a couple a years before -1848 I think - do you want me to have another go earlier?
I did ask if that was all the parish records they had and got an abrupt YES!
Will try to find out where the Norton & Adderley ones are - but think I will phone!
They have the 1841 and 1901 for Whitchurch and close by - ie Whixall, Press and Tilstock.
I have only just moved into Whitchurch so not sure where the other libraries are - but will find out - may be able to go as Adderely and Norton are not far.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith, I think the long and short of it all will be that they are in Shrewsbury!
Irene
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Hello Keith,
I have a connection with Whitchurch in that my 2 x Gt grandmother came from the area and was married in the parish church of Whitchurch in June 1869 to my 2 x gt grandfather Robert Mann (born North Shields). Her name was Mary Ellen Sutton and her father was William Sutton. She and Robert moved to Northumberland where they remained for the rest of their lives. In later census she has registered her place of birth as either Marbury (1871) or Norbury (1881). I think these places are just over the border in Cheshire (?). I do not have a specific request of you other than if you do come across any instances of Suttons in local records or graveyards I would be pleased and grateful for the information. I know William (A sawyer) was married to Frances and they lived in St Marys St Whitchurch in the 1871 & 1881 census. Many thanks.
Pete :)
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Hi Pete & Irene,
Will try to remember your Sutton connection Pete ;)
Back to your first post Irene! - might get chance to go to Shrewsbury next week - good excuse to make a day of it as my brother is going into hospital there for an operation on Thursday - will let you know.
Cheers
Keith
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hi keith could you look in the church yard in whitchurch for any of the following surnames Barlow, Mulliner as these are my ggrandparents surnames any thing will do names dayes etc thank you, sandraanne
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Hi sandraanne,
Will see what I can find - some are not that readable - but will have a look when the wind drops!!
Regarding the name Whitchurch :
Whitchurch takes its name from a 14th century church built of white stone and dedicated to St. Alkmund. The church completely collapsed in 1711, and was replaced by the present church with the same dedication
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith, Irene here!! When you are wandering around when the wind drops can you keep and eye out for Hunt/Cox/Cook/Bloore for me please? I had a look when I was there in 1998 but it was so overgrown we could hardly get in - is it any better now?
Cheers, Irene
Wet and windy in my area of Qld at the moment but its still 30 degrees celsius!! What we call our wet season as opposed to winter which is dry and avaerages about 24 - 25 degrees!! My son in London says its very cold!!
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Hi Irene,
Fancy meeting you here!!! ;D ;D ;D
Will see what I can find - I think it hasn't been touched since 1898
If the temp got to 30C I would be there now!!
Never got over 5C today and a bitter wind - don't know about wind chill factors - all new to me - but it felt like minus 20C!!
Now who else wanted me crawling on my hands and knees??!!
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Irene & sandraanne,
Not sure if this report should be on here or the weather channel!!
Wind dropped, slightly warmer - go to church graveyard - spend 50 mins looking - in England so as soon as wind drops, rain starts - will go back again!!
Found just one - sorry Irene, are you sure your family lived in Whitchurch!! - only looked at small part.
Sarah Barlow daughter of Edward & Sarah Barlow of Whitchurch
Died October 2nd, 1876 aged 67 - Asleep in Jesus
Also of Elizabeth Barlow daughter of the above died October 11th 1888 aged 69 years
Hope this is one of yours sandraanne .
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Irene,
Just to prove I do look for yours as well!! ;D ;D
I did find:-
William Hunt - died August 23rd 1884
Ellen wife of above Born July 25th, 1829 - died February 14th, 1902.
I know it's not your dates - but I bet you think I didn't look!
Also found 2 Joseph Chester in the 1880's - any use?
That was it - sorry - folks - I have now slightly altered my text at the beginning to stops hopes rising!!
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
Do you think you could try to find for me any gravestones with the name Howell or Venables and do you live anywhere near Marbury Thank you Sue
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Hi Sue,
Will see what I can find for you.
Yes not far from Marbury - are you sure it can't wait till spring - it's lovely sitting by the church overlooking the lake with the birds singing - usually cycle overthere!!! ;D ;D ;D
No - only joking different names or what?
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
Thank you that will be great still the same names Howell and Venables
Regards Sue.
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Hi Keith
I am probably doing this all wrong but I'm still abit of a newbie.
My great-great grandmother Ellen Elliot (married a McBride) was born in Whitchurch in 1833. Her father was Henry Elliot. They moved to Manchester some time before 1855 when she had her first child.
I was wondering if you could find out a bit more for me. I believe an "Elliott" family owned a farm in Whitchurch but not sure if they are one and the same.
I Have found this reference from the LDS web site I don't know if this will help.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500031643607&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=&juris1=Engl&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=England&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
Thanks for you time
Jane
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Hi Jane,
You can never do anything wrong on this site - as you will find out!!! ;D ;D
I presume you have found the rest of the family?
. MARY ANNE ELLIOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 MAY 1841 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
2. HENRY ELLIOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 SEP 1843 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
3. WILLIAM ELLIOT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 OCT 1831 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
4. ELLEN ELLIOTT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUL 1833 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Father Henry Elliott - Mother Anne
It looks from that information that they were still in Whitchurch in 1841 - the library has the 1841 census - so I will see what I can find out for you - asking to much if you know the name of the farm or area?
Cheers
Keith
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Thanks for the info!!!
I didn't know the rest of the family just Ellen and Henry.
The farm was Alport farm Claypit Street, it may not be connected but I know that at one time (1881 census) it was in Elliot hands.
Thank you for siblings info do you know any on Henry's wife?
Hope I am not pushing it!!
Regards Jane
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Hi Jane,
Another little tip I picked up - go to the page you have found - click on the batch number at the bottom - on the next page put in the name [elliot] with the parents name - search and it comes up with all Elliotts with those parents -simple when you know how!!
I live 1/2 miles from Claypit St - if you go to this site you will find an old map of the area - see if you can find YOUR farm.
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Will see what else I can find from the library - how do you know they moved in 1855?
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
In 1859 Ellen married Henry Mcbride in Ancoats Manchester, but they already had two children by then, on 1861 census shows harriet born 1855, details also on LDS and Henry born 1857.
I just thought it might be easier to trace Ellen's background as Henry snr was born in Ireland and I've drawn a blank there.
As I mentioned before the farm might be a complete red herring, but I have no record ie census of the family in Whitchurch just Manchester.
Your help is appreciated.
Regards Jane.
Going to have a look on the map now!!
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Hi Jane,
Had a look through the 1841 census at the library - found Claypit St - no sign of the farm - spent a good hour looking at the fisches until I came across the following 2 quite near each other.
Grindley Brook, Whitchurch
Henry Elliott - 30 - Joyner[their spelling!!] No [to born in county]
Ann " 25 N
William " 9 Y
Mary " 1 month Y
Oxford Cariage??? Whitchurch
Thomas Elliott 30 Check Factor[???] No
Mary " 20 No
Last one was not too clear on 903/11-14 fisch
Couldn't find Ellen, wonder if with grandparents - did not have time to look through all local villiages - will try again.
Not sure if first one is yours - but looks similar!!
Hope it helps - not hinders!!
Cheers
Keith
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Sorry didn't get back to you earlier Keith, PC up the spout!!!
Thanks for the info and for your time.
The info is very interesting, both my great, great grandparents seem to want to make it as hard as possible to find out anything about them!!!
Your time is appreciated
Regards Jane
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HI Keith
Just going to squeeze you for a little bit more info!!!
I think the Elliot family I am looking for is the the one at Grindley Brook, I just want to know is that a district of Whitchurch or just the name of the path/route the canal follows.
If it is a district would you know of a central church where baptism etc would have been held. I notice on the IGI records it doesn't give the location of the baptism. At least when Ellen had kids of her own she picked the biggest church she could find, Manchester Cathedral.
I went once as a kid if I'd known my Great great grandmother had some of her children baptised there I might have taken a bit more notice!!
Regards Jane
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Hi Jane,
Grindley Brook is a tiny area just outside Whitchurch - which as you say the canal passes through - it did have some wharfs etc as well as now a pub - Horse and Jockey - which I think is fairly old.
The nearest church would be St Alkmunds in Whitchurch.
The baptismal records are at Whitchurch Library - do I sense another request??!! ;D ;D
Cheers
Keith
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seeing as you offered!!!
Do Baptism records have mother maiden name on them or age?
I Have drawn a blank with the McBride side of the family, and My other half whos surname is Wesley has traced his family back to the year dot!!!
So my next port of call it to try and find out about Ellen's parent Henry and Anne. I notice from the census info you found that Anne was not from Shropshire, so thats another part of the country (world!!) my ancestors are from!!
Thanks for your time once again!!!
Jane ;D
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Hi Jane,
It seems the details very across the country, but the local ones only have for example:
January 1st 1800 - John son of Fred and Mary Smith
So not to much extra information available - it does confirm parents names then you can look for their marriage sometime before - oppps what have I said!!
Cheers
Keith
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You should really learn to say " I don't Know" My kids are great at it!!!!
So over to you!!!! Are marrige details kept at the same library???? ;D ;D ;D
Sitting in a nice warm library has to be better then trolling around church yards especially in this wind!!
Jane
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Hi Jane
Yes ;D ;D ;D
What year?
Keith
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Thats where the problem lies... From what I know there eldest recorded child was William 1831, so maybe a little before then.
If you do find anything could you send me the reference so I can obtain a copy from the library( if they allow that for parish records).
I'll leave you in peace now ;)
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Do you want the bad news or the not to bad news!! ;D ;D
No marriage from 1822 - 1832 for any Elliotts. :( :(
While I was there I thought I would look at the baptismal records - before 1820 they are as I stated just a typewritten copy of the records - from 1820 onwards they are on fiche, with slightly more details - but not like a 1837 certificate!!
No 1094 Abode
July 21 1833 Ellen daughter of - Henry & Ann - Elliott - Rising Sun - Joiner
No 178
Oct 20th 1831 William son of - Henry & Ann - Elliott - Rising Sun - Joiner
I have found out that the Rising Sun were cottages on the Wrexham Road - just out side Whitchurch - near the canal - about 1/2 mile from Grindley Brook - where the Elliotts were in 1841 - a bit more useless information!!! ;D ;D
As Ann was from out of the county as per 1841 census - do you have her on any other census - giving her birthplace details?? Then you could try for her marriage in that town.
Cheers
Keith
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Thanks keith..I think ;D
I am going to see on the Lancashire board if anyone has access to the 1861 census and can find the family and see if where Ann was born. I have tried but I cannot find the family.
There is always the fact that they didn't get married until after the birth of William!!
Well I am off to pester somebody else..I'll let you know how I get on
Jane
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I'm back!!!
Evening Keith...
Well I think the Elliots dropped off the face of the earth!!! The earliest I can check for myself is 1871 census and I can find the son Henry in Ancoats, Manchester but no parents, some kind soul has double check for me on the Lancashire board for me and cannot find them either. Maybe Henry and Ann never moved to Manchester so I am going to post a 1861 lookup on this boards.
Jane
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Hi Jane,
I have those little problems as well sometimes!!
Try to find anything about the rest of the family - Williams possible marriage - then trace his parents back??!!
Looked on IGI for possible marriage of Ann and Henry - only one is 1825 to Ann Jones in Liverpool - with Henry John Elliott - he hasn't used John anywhere has he?
Keeping banging your head against the brickwall - something will give - hope it's the wall! ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Keith
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I'm back like a bad penny!!!
I've been trying to trace the two children who were born after 1837. I cannot find any birth records for Henry, although I have got census info for him. However I have found a record for Mary Anne;
Surname Given Name District Volume Page
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Births Jun 1841
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ELLIOTT Mary Ann Wem &c 18 210
Not really sure what to do with it now though. Where is my next port of call, do you know the admin centre I need to contact to get a copy of this cert? Can they get it from this reference from FreeBMD
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Well done - always different ways to get the same information
You have 2 choices - over the net you can get a certificate with that reference number - easiest - but will take 3 weeks at the present time.
If you click on the "Wem" part of the BMD it will lead you to North Shropshire Registration District at Wem - they should be able to help - usually need more information - like address etc - but when I have used local offices found them very helpful - although not used Wem.
Advantage is that they only take 2/3 days.
With both applications put in a "check point" - regarding father or mothers name - just to make sure you have the correct one - you can download a form - to fill in all the details - do you have any site with those?
Don't worry asking me - I have only been doing this for months - pleased to give something back to this site for all the help I have received.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
Do you think when you've got a minute you could check out the Bapt records for the first two children of Henry Elliot , William and Ellen, something in the back of my mind is telling me that Ann may not be their mother. There is a gap of nearly 10 years before Mary Ann and Henry are born.
As I can only get records for Mary Ann (sent for cert) that will only confirm that Ann was HER mother.
Deerstalker on please ;D
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Not quite with you - it was the baptismal records for William & Ellen I found - with Ann as their mother - do you mean Henry??
If there is doubt the only thing is - are there 2 Anns??
The gap might be 2 reasons - moved to another area - then came back - we know they lived at different addresses in Whitchurch in 1833 and 1841 - or could be other children who died young.
Let me know if I have got it wrong!! ;D
Cheers
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Hi Sue,
Found these on my wanderings around Whitchurch cemetery:
In Loving Remembrance Of
Frederick William - 3rd son of William and Sarah Venables
of High Street
Died Feb 29 1881 Aged 12 years
In The Midst of Life We Are In Death
Also Joseph Leonard
Brother of the above
Died October 27 1885 Aged 13 years
Also William Henry
Dearly Beloved Son Of
Samuel and Sarah Venables
Died Nov 14th 1887 Aged 3 months
Also Sam William
Dearly Beloved Son of the Above
Died Sept 2nd 1892 Aged 8 months
Angel Bid Them Come
Next
In Loving Memory of
Thomas Capper Howell
Who
Died October 15th 1895
Aged 66 years
Also
Sarah
Wife of the Above
Who died August 2nd 1899
Aged 65 years
Next
In Memory of
Ann
The Beloved Wife of
Robert Venables
Who Died Feb 25th 1873
Aged 65 years
Him That Cometh to the Villin No Wise Cast Out
Hope these are some of yours - just to say the first one is in good condition - the second is 8ft high marble - lovely - the 3rd is smaller - if you want a photo let me know.
Will try Wrenbury shortly
Cheers
Keith
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No Keith you're quite right...My brain wave turned out to be a damp squib!!!!
I think I'm clutching at straws a bit now, I'll wait until Mary Ann's birth cert arrives and take from there. Its half term next week so I will wait 'till after then.
Hope I didn't send you on a wild goose chase.
Regards Jane
Audrey has checked BVRI for me and can find no Henry Elliot marriage in Shropshire so I think it safe to assume the marriage took place elsewhere, backing up you finds at the library.
I'll probably pester you again once I get my birth cert ;D
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Not a wild goose in sight!! ;D ;D ;D
Will look forward with trepidation to your next post!! ;D ;D
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Sue,
So Spring has arrived - got my bike out and cycled over to Marbury!!
Some good news - some bad news!!
No Venables at all
3 headstones fro Howells
Jane wife of Charles Howell - died Nov 19th 1876 aged 40
Next
Ann Howell - died Jan 6th 1865 - aged 63
Charles Howell died March 20th, 1866 aged 76
Next
George Howell - died July 8th, 1909 - aged 55
Eliza Howell died April 3rd 1924 - aged 71
Hope some of these are yours!
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
Thank you so much for going to Marbury for me the graves are all ours you have done well, is it possible if its not to much trouble for you to take some photos for me next time you are there it would be very much appreciated. Thank you again Sue
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Hi Sue,
Should have done that yesterday - forgot the camera - will do that again now the Sun is shining.
If you send me your email address by PM - I will send them on to you.
Glad they were yours.
What does that mean - no Venables? - at least you know to look elseware!!
Cheers
Keith
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Pictures sent to Sue.
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Hi Bill,
Had a look around Whitchcurch Graveyard and found 2 with Dodd.
First name is very faint - looks like "CFAR" then "Fr" "Dodd"
Could be Clare Frances Dodd??
died May 4th 1875 aged 49.
Next one looks very interesting!
George Dodd of Whitchurch
died December 27th 1908
aged 57
also
Mary Jane Dodd
wife of the above
died Sept 23rd 1929
aged 75
also
John Thomas Purcell
son of
George & Mary Jane Dodd
died March 1st 1880
aged 1 year.
The last one I have copied as written of course - which means young John's inscription was put on after his parents death - not sure what that means - reburied??
Hope these are the ones you wanted - if you need a photo let me know.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
I have just read about the graveyard in Whitchurch and the information might prove to be invaluable. Thank you for taking the time to look. Much appreciated.
Regards from Bill Pritchard
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Hello from across the pond, Keith!
I'm looking for 2 family names in Shropshire, let me give you what I have for Whitchurch:
The 1881 Audlem, Cheshire census shows
Joseph Dykes (b. ~1852 in Audlem, Cheshire) married to Eliza (b. ~1852 in Whitchurch)
Looking in the Cheshire BMD, I get that Joseph Dykes married Elizabeth Glassey sometime between 1866 and 1870.
On 31 Mar 1900, Prudence married Thomas Ellison, b. 1879 in Ellesmere, and they had 8 children (none in Shropshire). The second child was my grandmother. :)
Have you come across anything for Glassey, specifically Elizabeth around 1852?
Thanks!
OC
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Hi OC,
No problem regarding a look up - now just what am I looking for? ;D
I am a bit confused - but then again that's not difficult!
Do you mean Prudence was born in 1879 and you expect her parents marriage before that?
So therefore you want -The marriage of Joseph Dykes to Eliza - before 1879?
Sorry to be so thick.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith, just edited my original post...
I found an exciting link on the Cheshire index....
Joseph Dykes married Elizabeth Glassey in Nantwich, Cheshire some time between 1866 and 1870, so I now have a last name to put with the name on the census!
Elizabeth Glassey, B. ~1852 Whitchurch
M. Joseph Dykes (sometime between 1866-1870) Nantwich
Had four children in Audlem.
Can you see what you've got on Glassey folks?
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Hi OC,
Right - now I can see through the Glass!! ;D
Will have a look next week in the Parish Records at Whitchurch Library - have you more than 1 census record of her age? (not that it means that much!!)
Cheers
Keith
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I'm looking for her in the censuses (censii??) now, I've just (within the last hour) found the Glassey link.
What area of Cheshire is Whitchurch in?
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What area of Cheshire is Whitchurch in?
It depends on what year!! ;D
Whitchurch is on the border of Shropshire and Cheshire - at the moment it is in Shropshire!!
The town hasn't moved but the line on the map has!!
There is an 1841 census only for Whitchurch in the library.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi OC
Just had a look through the baptisms for Whitchurch for the period 1850-6 and no Glassey listed at all.
Sorry
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Can I ask you for some knowledge of Whitchurch?
I have 3 siblings I want to find the name of their Mother.
William b@ 1826-38
John b @ 1839
Sarah b@ 1833
On census's the place of birth for William changes.
William
1851....Whitchurch, Cheshire
1861....Nottinghamshire
1871.... Nottinghamshire
1881...Witchurch, Shropshire
1891...Nottingham
John
1851...Whitchurch, Cheshire
(Dies 1857)
Sarah is consistent throughout as born in Nottingham.
I have not been able to find them on the 1841 census for Nottingham.
According to all of their marriage certs their Fathers
name was George Allen (Labourer).
I have not found anything whatsoever on George.
From 1851 census onwards they all lived in Staffordshire.
Any advice please as where to look?
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Glad you thought of me to solve your problems! ;D
Why did you think of me!! ???
Sorry
Right - so we presume that unless all 3 were fibbing - their father was George - who stands a fair chance of being alive in 1841?
Don't suppose mother ever baby sat at census time - no ahh well - that's her out!
So it might help if I took at look at the 1841 Whitchurch census to see how many Allens there are?
And here was me thinking it was only ladies who lied about there ages - what was William doing with an age span of 12 years - did he take an older bride?
Maybe George moved to Whitchurch from Nottingham after 1833 - had 2 kids and then left - hopefully after the 1841 census.
Will have a look in the library next week to see what I can find.
Cheers
Keith
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P.S.
No one knows where Whitchurch is - Cheshire or Shropshire - depends on if it's raining!! ;D
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Glad you thought of me to solve your problems! ;D
Why did you think of me!! ???
Hi Keith,
With someone of your intelligence, why wouldn't I ask you ;D
I would say William Allen's year of birth is closer to 1826-1828.
Thanks for any help as Sarah is my 2nd Great Grandmother.
This has been my brickwall for years. >:(
Sue
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Hi Sue,
After spending 2 hours looking at a fische(?) screen I thought I deserved a rest - so have come and sat in front of a computer screen instead ??? ???
Right - GOOD News ;D - and not so good news ::)
I may have found your family - well I have found the correct names and ages! 8)
BUT not together - anyway here goes:
Hollins Lane - Tilstock (hamlet outside of Whitchurch)
William Allen - 15 - Ap. - N (not born in county!)
at the home of Thomas Cook - 35 - Farmer, together with Mary - 35 - and Holling - 11 - also Gillian Hamlett - 20 - F S (farm servant?) - all born in county
(William didn't marry a Gillian by any remote chance?)
There were 4 other "Allen" families which I made a note of - but not the correct names - you can have them if you want. (William aged 6 - father William etc)
I then went right through the census and the last building was the "House of Industry" (better known as the work house!!)
Robert Allen - 75 - Shoemaker - Y
George Allen - 55 - Ag Lab - N
Sarah Allen - 10 - N
These names were NOT together - I noticed all the children were written down together - Adults first.
So we have 3 out of 4 of your family - but is it a family.
Maybe - the 15 year old William could earn his keep and so was sent to live on a farm - the other 2 could not and so were in the work house! But that is only my imagination working overtime - again!!
I also had a look at the baptisms for Whitchurch from 1823 (don't trust your lot!) to 1831 and no William!! (or any Allens for that matter!!)
So I am really not sure if I have been any help - I could make a good case for them being your "lot" but no proof - have you John's birth details/certificate - anything on their mother?
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Goodness, you have been doing your work!
I will take a note of the details you have found & try & see
what I can come up with.
Nothing you mention rings any bells except the possibilty of
George Allen 55 & maybe Sarah Allen 10, in the Workhouse.
Very vague I know, but better then nothing (for now, anycase!)
John Allen was born 1832 NOT 1839 as I had typed, so no luck
with any birth certs.
I would appreciate the other 4 Allen families you have found.
There might be a slight possibilty it could lead somewhere.
(Maybe round the bend, but then, I have always wanted to travel!!)
Many thanks for your time.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
These are the other Allens that I found in the 1841 census at the library
Yardington - now part of Whitchurch
William Allen - 39 - Ag Lab - No
Ellen " 36
William 6
Orlando 1
Elizabeth 8
Benjamin Allen - 30 - Joiner
Ann 30
Thomas 3
Ann 1
Sarah 2 months
Watergate St, Whitchurch
Charles Allen - 30 - Butcher
Ann - 30
William - 7
Charles - 5
Mary 3
Ellinor 11 months
Ellinor Allen - 75
John - 30 - Butcher
All born in the county except where stated
Remember ages over 15 are rounded down.
Just wondering why you have discounted the William I found - was it because of where he was born?
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith, Hope you can help.
In the 1861 census at Little Common, St Martin, Shropshire
John Evans age 25, Labourer on coal bank, born Shropshire Witchurch and his wife
Ellen age 19, born Shropshire Ellesmere
I am looking for a marriage for these two. Could you look to see if John Evans born circa 1836
is anywhere there? Birth, christening, marriage or any record Thanks Dianne
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Hi Dianne,
The marriage is usually in the parish of the wife (Ellesmere) or where they are living.
Had a quick look on the 1851 census - there are 3 John Evans all born at the right time - all living as servants in the local area - one with a 14 year old Samuel Evans (his brother??)
I think the only thing I may find is his birth details in 1836 - but expect/know there will be more than one John Evans - any idea of his parents?
Any reason to think his marriage would have been in Whitchurch?
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I know this is a bit of a long shot, not knowing much about the area but I'm looking for my Great Aunt, Sarah Greenwell otherwise known as Sadie.
According to my Auntie she was last heard of working in a pub in Whitchurch in the late 50's early 60's (she'd be about that age too as she was born in 1897) and I'm not having a lot of luck finding her death, would it be possible to see if she's buried there too please?
many thanks
Tessa
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Hi Keith,
a small request :) from sunny Australia.
When next able could you look up the following for me please.
Mary France bapt WHITCHURCH 2 Sept 1835 and advise me of her parents names in the register?
John WEBSTER bapt WHITCHURCH 18 June 1848 -parents names?
John WEBSTER and Mary Eliza/Elizabeth SMITH married 1872 - sorry no date availalbe. if found could I have date and parents names please?
When gravehunting around Whitchurch if you come across any headstones of France a copy/details would be much appreciated
thanks so much for anything you can provide
Sharon :)
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Hi Sharon,
Thanks for the notes - PM sent to you.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Sharon,
Good news - bad news!! ;D
John Webster parents - Thomas & Mary - address Bargats?? - Whitchurch - Shoe Maker - date correct
Could not find the other 2 things - was the dates correct?
They are not that ease to read - typing worse than mine!! ;D ;D
Will have another go if you say they are correct.
Cheers
Keith
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I take that you've not come across Sarah/Sadie in your travels Keith.
thanks
Tessa
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Hi Tessa,
Sorry I did not get back to you - been a bit poorly - even so I do not have much about people after 1901.
Cheers
Keith
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Thanks anyway Keith I knew it was bit of a long shot, hope you're feeling better :D
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Hi Sharon,
Good news - bad news!! ;D
John Webster parents - Thomas & Mary - address Bargats?? - Whitchurch - Shoe Maker - date correct
Could not find the other 2 things - was the dates correct?
They are not that ease to read - typing worse than mine!! ;D ;D
Will have another go if you say they are correct.
Cheers
Keith
Hi Keith, thanks heaps- I'm afraid that for the marriage of John and Martha that was my mistake- they actually married in tunstall which is where Martha came from -
appreciate verification of John Websters parentage
Mary France- well she is on every census from 1841 and in the first few lives Ellesmere with her parents Edward and Elizabeth.then Ellesmere with husband George Harry.
She gives her birthplace as Dudleston- I have search high and low Adan came across the date I gave you in the IGi and thought if the parents matched>>...
I don't know if you have any ideas where to look for the - I understand that the records form Ellesmere are likely to be in the Flintshire records but am not sure
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Hi Keith,
I hope I'm posting this query correctly. ???
I am hoping you might be able to check the Whitchurch cemetery for any POSTONS, particularly Charles POSTON 1832 burial, Ann Green POSTON 1805, Mary Yardley POSTON 1825-1830? Also, John GREEN not sure of his burial date but prior to 1832. If there are any headstones available, would you be able to email pictures of them? Any help you can give is WONDERFUL!! :D
Holly Evans
searching names in Shropshire: POSTON, GREEN, YARDLEY
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Hi Holly,
I will have a look for you next week - with John Green - know when I should look back to 1832?
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Holly,
Good news - bad news!! ;D
Charlies Poston - Watergate Street - July 4th - Aged 78 (1832) - No. 2078
Also
Joseph Green - Bluegate - Dec 20th - 2 weeks (1832)
Ann, Wife of Charles Poston - April 3 - 51 age (1805)
Many other "Greens"
Looked for John Green 1828-32 but could not find him (some of the writting is worse than mind!!)
Cheers
Keith
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Thanks for the info!!!
I didn't know the rest of the family just Ellen and Henry.
The farm was Alport farm Claypit Street, it may not be connected but I know that at one time (1881 census) it was in Elliot hands.
Thank you for siblings info do you know any on Henry's wife?
Hope I am not pushing it!!
Regards Jane
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Thanks for the info!!!
The farm was Alport farm Claypit Street, it may not be connected but I know that at one time (1881 census) it was in Elliot hands.
Re Alport Farm. The farm was in the possession of James Elliott from 1851 and passed to his son John Reece Elliott who it is reported lost the farm due to his allegiance to the occasional tipple
Max :)
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Hi Keith,
Would it be possible for you to photograph me some gravestones in the Whitchurch area please?
The surname is ARROWSMITH
The areas......Ightfield, Ash, Prees and Whitchurch.
regards..........Ann
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[quote author=Keith Bateman. If anyone wants any details of headstones etc in the Whitchurch, North Shropshire,
I contacted the site you gave and applied to join. As the whole proceedure may take some time, I will take up your offer. I am researching Judge Alexander Graham (1861-1942), b. Dundalk, County Louth, Ireland, ed. Shrewsbury Coll. and Cauis Coll. Cambridge. M. 1902, Mary Adeline Cock, as his second wife, called to the Bar, 1887 Dogpole Chambers, Shrewsbury and had issue, Sir John Patrick Graham. Alexander Graham m. his first wife, 1892 and had issue, Edmund Alexander Graham, b. June 1894 at 2 Quarry Place, Atcham. It is the first marriage that I would like to resolve.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Hi keith (newgent)
My ancestor ran the Red Cow pub in in Pepper street in the 1800,s. Her name was Martha Kent(nee Williams). Is it still the same pub. I am not sure if she is buried in the area or not.
She died in 1866 I beleive.
regards Michael
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Hi keith(newgent)
My ancestor ran the Red Cow pub in in Pepper street in the 1800,s. Her name was Martha Kent(nee Williams). Is it still the same pub. I am not sure if she is buried in the area or not.
She died in 1866 I beleive.
regards Michael
Dear Michael,
Thankyou for including me in the reply to Keith. As you can see by my last post to Keith (no. 83), at the moment, I am researching two names; ie., Graham and Cock. If you come upon these two surnames I would be delighted to hear from you. Oddly enough I am researching a public house in East Retford, the Galway Arms.
Yours, Newgent.