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Title: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Monday 13 November 06 16:34 GMT (UK)
The place name Treacle Delph in Golcar appears in censuses 1861- 1881 and I would like further information on where or what it is, as I can find no modern-day reference to it. Families living here included Ainley, Whitwam, Sykes, and Thewlis.
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 13 November 06 18:35 GMT (UK)
Hi HH

I know Golcar very well but Ive never heard the name Treacle Delph.

I have a good friend who lives there and knows the local History very well if you want Iwill ring him and ask him if he knows anything but he wont be home till after 7.00

Joe
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Tuesday 14 November 06 15:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Joe,
That would be great. For reference, the family I looked up were Daniel Ainley's (b. abt.1826 Longwood). The family were all connected with the woollen industry. I'm sure someone will have some information!
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: snwood on Thursday 18 June 09 06:16 BST (UK)
I am interesed in Ainley, Wood, Bowen, and others in Golcar and Bilston.  I know this is an old chat but maybe someone will read this.
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Thursday 18 June 09 06:38 BST (UK)
There is a Daniel Ainley in the tree by marriage, I recall. I will look into it and get back to you. We have lots of relatives in Golcar- Whitwam being the main surname. Do you know anything about the name Treacle Delph?
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: snwood on Thursday 18 June 09 06:56 BST (UK)
I have Whitwam in my family.  Daniel Ainley b. 1826 Longwood is probably not a direct relative.  I suggest you look at the Loughran Family at tribalpages.com Very thorough genealogy for the families we both seem interested in.  Also, a Steve Whitwam helped me a great deal a few years ago in my genealogy of Ainley and Drake.
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Thursday 18 June 09 18:26 BST (UK)
Steve also helped me- his site is brilliant! He is distantly related. Daniel Ainley is very distant, as I said, and only through marriage. Our family names in Yorkshire are Shaw, Senior, Crowther, Walker, Randerson; in the 19th/ 20th century, mainly around Huddersfield. I will try and follow the lead you suggest when I have time- thank you!
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: libby9 on Thursday 18 June 09 23:40 BST (UK)
Hi,

I don't know of treacle Delph, but if you view the nearby addresses on the 1871 census they include 'Dunkirk' and 'Grand Stand'.  These two place names still exist and can be found on Google Maps, Treacle Delph must have been nearby.

Hope this helps, if only a little.
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: libby9 on Friday 19 June 09 00:52 BST (UK)
According to the National Archives site, Treacle Delph was in Scapegoat Hill.

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Huddersfield_Registration_District%2C_1851_Census_Street_Index_T-Z
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Friday 19 June 09 12:58 BST (UK)
Thank you for that- many of the addresses I have are Scapegoat Hill. I was particularly interested in where the name itself came from; rather like wondering who the original "scapegoat" was!
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: NoeleenM on Sunday 06 September 09 02:15 BST (UK)
Hi,

all my Ainley's came from scape goat  hill, i have a daniely Ainley in my tree

regards

Noeleen
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Sunday 06 September 09 15:43 BST (UK)
Hello!
The Daniel Ainley in my tree married Mary Crowther and died in 1896. I have tracked his parents and 6 siblings. He and Mary had 7 children. Let me know if you want further details- I know more about the Crowther side but may have something useful,
Regards,
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: libby9 on Sunday 06 September 09 23:17 BST (UK)
Thank you for that- many of the addresses I have are Scapegoat Hill. I was particularly interested in where the name itself came from; rather like wondering who the original "scapegoat" was!
HH

Does this help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treacle_mining
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Sunday 06 September 09 23:28 BST (UK)
Interesting, but nothing to do with Treacle Delph! I think its origins will remain one of life's mysteries, as will  who the original scapegoat was.
Thank you for your interest,
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: libby9 on Sunday 06 September 09 23:36 BST (UK)
Hi, why do you say "nothing to do with Treacle Delph"?  A delph is a quarry, therefore maybe "Treacle Delph" was a treacle mine.
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: pH4819 on Monday 07 September 09 05:14 BST (UK)
Hello HH,

I am researching my husband's family and saw an old post of yours from 2005 re; Hine/Dyble. My husband's great grandfather was Mark Hine, son of Henry and Agnes and younger brother of Edwin S Hine from Littleham in Devon. I have info on Mark's family who came to USA in 1890 after he died, if you are interested.

pH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: winston on Monday 07 September 09 07:39 BST (UK)
HI HH and others


If you check the 1851 census using this person and this ref you'll see Treacle Delph


HO107 2296 folio 337 Rebecca Singleton bn 1807 bn Golcar

Two dwellilngs up from Rebecca there is also a Benjamin Ainley

Wendy
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Monday 07 September 09 09:06 BST (UK)
Ah ha! I didn't know a delph was a quarry. Thank you for the enlightenment. Obviously someone in the past had a sense of humour, then!
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Monday 07 September 09 09:14 BST (UK)
Hello pH,
This is the wrong thread for Hines in Devon but I'm delighted to hear from you. Please email me on heather @hine.me.uk to share the info on Mark Hine. He is the brother of my husband's g.grandfather, Edwin. I suspected he had emigrated and would like to know more,
Regards,
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: snwood on Tuesday 27 October 09 07:07 GMT (UK)
Still wondering about Treacle Delph?  It is a joke.  My mother refered to treacle as gooey substance, sometimes sweet.  Delph is a quarry.  Sooo...  Golcar is site of my families- Ainleys, Whitwam, Wood, Bowen
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Tuesday 27 October 09 09:34 GMT (UK)
I love the humour!
Thank you for your interest- there are lots of Whitwams and an Ainley or two in our tree. The Golcar/Huddersfield community seems to have been very close, with lots of inter-marriage. You can see from my profile the other Yorkshire names I'm interested in. I have had quite a lot of info from Steve Whitwam but there are still a few mysteries.
I must post something on this site- haven't done so for a long time but all sorts of things pop up, even years after a posting. (See the earlier parts of this thread) And now I've got the 1911!
Now, where shall I start...?
Best wishes,
HH
 
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: fringe on Thursday 06 November 14 16:39 GMT (UK)
Hi, I'm new to this site but came across the query for Treacle Delph when searching for something else.  I am originally from Golcar, having lived at Clay Well and Ley Moor Road.  My Mother's side of the family have lived in the area as far back as I can trace.  As some of my great aunts and uncles could only spoke in dialect I am well aware that the spelling and pronunciation of many places in Golcar are not what always what they might seem.  Sadly an awful lot of the local place names have long since disappeared through changes in both political and Church boundaries.  Whilst others have been subsumed through later developments using different names for the same area, the area by the Walker's Arms pub in, what is now known as Parkwood, used to be known as Ley Moor Gate.  So, Treacle Delph or, as it was pronounced, Trayckle Delf.  Where was it?  To my recollection a chap called Oliver Haigh lived there and it was a cluster of houses across the road from Scape Goat Hill Baptist Chapel burial grounds on the south side of Taylor Lane, and to the east of the top of Th'owd Loyn (Old Lane).  Whilst I believe Dunkirk was the smallholding further down Old Lane.  Taylor Lane did not originally go much further down towards Pike Law than the Old Band Room - reference: "Map of the Inclosure Act of Golcar, 1823".  So most foot traffic of the time cut down Th'owd Loyn to Swallow Lane, in fact, all the properties that can currently be seen on Taylor Lane on Google Earth to the east of the Band Room have been built within my lifetime.  I realise that memories are fallible and that I may have got the location wrong, but I hope to clarify it with one of my relatives in the next month or so.  I'll re-post when I find out.
Regards,
fringe
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Thursday 06 November 14 19:07 GMT (UK)
I love this site for the replies that appear years after postings- it keep the momentum going. Thank you for the great detail you describe. This area is where some of my husband's family lived and I don't know it myself. He lived in Milnesbridge only until he was three so remembers very little but what he does remember was borne out by a visit there this summer! I would be delighted to read any further discoveries you make so do keep me posted. Our last family contact in Golcar, (a Shaw by marriage), died several years ago so we have to rely on public records now but Scape Goat Hill features frequently in census addresses and I think the family was non-conformist by and large, many of whom are buried where you describe.
Many thanks for the message and please keep up the research.
Regards,
HH
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 07 November 14 02:30 GMT (UK)
 Treacle Delph Well spring -find -Scar lea - Lower Old lane - Scapegoat hill
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: snwood on Monday 21 December 15 17:31 GMT (UK)
This is Stephen Wood and I am still interested I my relatives around Scape Goat and Bradley.   Just wanted to recontact. Names are Sproat Bowen Wood Ainley.  Family had Pawn shops and one family , one family involved in the trade of shoddy then had a cloth mill, one was a  Registry Clerk.
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: fringe on Friday 03 March 17 14:10 GMT (UK)
Finally!  Treacle Delph were the properties that used to be on the south west side of Upper Grand Stand.  I don't know when the original properties were demolished - they don't appear on the 1888-1913 Ordnance Survey map, but then neither does Parkin Square which most certainly was around at that time (and still there now).  I don't recall any habitable properties on that land in the late 1950's, just rubble, weeds, a few sheds and some hen runs.  Whether the rubble was what was left over from demolished properties or the last workings of some delving I couldn't say.  It was just an overgrown depression in the land.   Reference my earlier post about Oliver Haigh living there, it turns out I was wrong, he actually lived on High Street.  The name Treacle Delph has been retained in a (relatively) new build detached property whose Post Office address is number 15 Grand Stand.  But on Council Tax records is shown as 'Treacle Delph', 15 Grand Stand.

So there you have it!

Regards,
fringe
Title: Re: Treacle Delph, Golcar
Post by: HH on Sunday 03 June 18 14:27 BST (UK)
Just shows, you can't hurry genealogical research. As someone once said to me, 'No point in hurrying, they'll still be dead!'  ;D
Great to keep the thread going on this brilliant site. Thank you. HH