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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Terryjc on Friday 10 November 06 11:56 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find out if Frank Potter Howitt born 1884 JunQ could be the son of a Walter Howitt of Hucknall, Notts.
Walter Howitt married Sarah Potter in 1882 JunQ and I am guessing that her surname carried through to Frank.
In the 1881 Census Walter was an 18 year old apprentice butcher with Charles Daws, High St. Hucknall.
Could someone please check the 1891 and/or 1901 census for Walter Howitt and family to see if Frank is there.
Regards
Terry
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1901 census -
The family are in Bulwell (Notts), address 32 Main St.
Walter HOWITT, c. 1861, Hucknall, Butcher, own account.
Sarah " c. 1861, Hucknall
Walter E " c. 1883, Blidworth (Notts), Butchers Assistant
FRANK P " c. 1885, Hucknall, Commercial Clerk
Ernie " c. 1891 Eastwood (Notts)
Reginal " c. 1897, Bulwell (Notts)
Will have another look for them on the 1891, couldn't see them at first pass!
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1901
32 main St Bulwell Notts.
Walter Howitt head 40 butcher own account at home
Sarah wife 40
Walter son 18 ass in butcher shop
Frank P son 16 Commercial clerk
Cyril son 10
Reginal son 4
Emma Potter sister single 42
Source RG13 3190
Folio 163
Page 13
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Thank you both so much. You have just helped me connect and complete a line of research from 1800 to the present day.
Speed of response - remarkable.
Off to bed now a happy chappy
Regards
Terry
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1891 found it.
Eastwood Nott
Walter Howitt head 29 butchers ass.
Sarah wife 29
Walter 8
Frank Potter 6
Cyril 1
Source RG12 2659
Folio 16
Page 25
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LOL if you've got 'em on the 1891 you have beaten me to it
:P :P :P
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Found them under Sarah Howett entered hubby Walter :)
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LOL I was working my way through various 'mangled' combinations -
WELL DONE you ;D
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1891 found it.
Eastwood Nott
Walter Howitt head 29 butchers ass.
Sarah wife 29
Walter 8
Frank Potter 6
Cyril 1
Source RG12 2659
Folio 16
Page 25
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:) Thanks a million for this research!
As a direct descendant of Frank Potter Howitt I have been trying to solve this mystery for some time. It seems he was a brilliant artist and I have three of his works in my home.
One of his greatest masterpieces is currently being auctioned on the internet at an asking price of £1250, but I am not sure I can afford to buy it!
I wondered where the middle name "Potter" came from, but could not work out the position of Emma Potter in the family.
I believe that Walter Howitt was related to T.Cecil Howitt, the architect of Nottingham City Hall, but could not obtain definite proof. Does anybody have information on this?
Merry Christmas to all!
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Hi Commander, and welcome to Roootschat.
To answer your last point, Walter Howitt was indeed related to T Cecil Howitt. From my research, and the ever enthusiatic assistance of Rootchatters, the relationship, derived from census and BMD data was as follows:
Thomas Howitt born abt 1833 in Hucknall Torkard, married in 1857 an Ann Cullen born abt 1835 in Besthorpe Lodge. This couple had three sons that I have discovered so far
1. James Cullen Howitt born abt 1858 was Tomas Cecil Howitt’s father.
2. Alfred Howitt born abt 1860 - believed died young, not researched
3. Walter Howitt born abt 1862 was Frank Potter Howitt’s father
T Cecil Howitt was Walter Howitt's nephew.
The driver behind my research was to try and connect the families of John Howitt, the original principal and founder of Howitt and Son, the architect practice in Nottingham and T Cecil Howitt. I am still going back in time, and there will be a connection between these two Nottinghamshire familes, but so far I have not discovered it.
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Thanks Terryjc, for such a quick response from far-away NZ!
You have confirmed what I was told as a child back in the 1950s in Nottingham, but was never quite sure about.
It was also rumoured at the time that we were related to the author William Howitt (born in Heanor in 1792).
According to Wikipedia, William was a highly talented man who travelled a lot, winding up with his two sons in Australia during the gold rush. The older son Alfred (born 1830) stayed in Australia, but the younger returned to England in 1854, and I just wonder whether he was identical to the Thomas Howitt whom you mention. That would make him grandfather to Frank P. Howitt and my great-great grandfather.
All this would seem pure conjecture, but I would love to be able to prove it. I have already obtained a copy of Frank P's birth certificate, and will have to obtain some more, if it's possible to go back that far!
Best wishes and a Happy New Year!
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This is emensly interesting I was trying to prove the exact same thing. My Great Great Grandfather Fredrick Housley was married to Rebecca Howitt, who's Brother is John Howitt, who is T. Cecil Howitts father.
You're probably aware of this but T. Cecil Howitt, designed the Council House in the centre of Nottingham.
I've traced William/Mary Howitt's family tree but can't see any connection yet to 'our' Howitts.
Matt
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Hi Matt,
Since last posting two years ago, I have found out a great deal more about our ancestry, thanks mainly to Brian Howitt, who lives in Heanor.
My father (who died in 2006 aged 91) was actually trained by T.C. in Nottingham before WW2 and he knew well the Council House and many other of his buildings.
During the 1960s my father took me to visit T.C. at his office in Nottingham and I was quite taken aback by his attitude - "Is this your young man then? - Huh!"
He was a typical ex-army officer - stiff upper lip and all that.
T.C.'s father was actually James Cullen Howitt (1858-1941), and his mother was Annie Elizabeth Gibson (1862-1951).
James Cullen's father was another Thomas Howitt (b.1833) who married Anne Cullen.
J.C.'s father was another Thomas Howitt (b.1805) who married Charlotte Pickup, and his father before him was another Thomas Howitt (b.1771) who married Mary Mee.
This Thomas was the son of yet another Thomas Howitt (born about 1730) who married Elizabeth Mellers.
His father in turn was William Howitt of Shipley (b. about 1700), who married Rachel Mee, who produced five children. One of these was William Howitt of Taghill (b. 1727 in Heanor) who married Mary Bestwick and (among their seven children)fathered another Thomas Howitt (b 1763) who in turn married Phoebe Tantum and had another seven children, including the famous author William Howitt and his Australian pioneer siblings.
It seems to have been the custom then to have extremely large families, but a lot of children died young. Another of William Howitt of Taghill's sons married three times, producing no fewer than twelve children. We cannot be sure how many of these were legitimate. The full tree is complicated in the extreme, but I think we have finally cracked it, and discovered some amazing facts!
William Howitt of Shipley was the son of Squire John Howitt (b. 1671) who married Katherine Charlton, a well-heeled lady from an aristocratic family, then proceeded to spend her money. Katherines's ancestry has been traced by a professional genealogist and traced right back to the Plantagenet King Edward III, so we really can claim descent from royalty, along with around five million other people in English-speaking countries who probably don't even know it!
This William's father Robert had also married a well-heeled heiress (Anne Middleton) and thereby acquired ownership of Wandesley Hall at Selston, Notts. She also was apparently descended from the Plantagenets. The Middleton family were very angry when the Howitts let the property go to rack and ruin, a fact which you can readily verify if you look it up on the net.
Another horrifying fact - THREE of our direct ancestors were actually beheaded at Tower Hill during the Reformation - their only crime was of being Catholics and having a Yorkist claim to the throne!
As they say, truth is often stranger than fiction!
I hope this helps to answer your question.
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CORRECTION:
J.C.'s grandfather was another Thomas Howitt (b.1805).
Sorry!
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Wow! That's a lot of information to take in. I've started putting as much information as possible into my family tree on Ancestry.co.uk so I'll add the information above.
Thanks for the amazingly detailed reply. My Dad will be very happy (who live's about 100 yards from Taghill!)
Matt
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I've picked up a load of information on our family tree from my Dad, who got it in turn from a distant relative, so I'm trying to decipher what she has found and attached the fact.
I can now see she made the assumption that Terry has mentioned above, that John Howitt the founder of the architects practice is T. C.'s father, when he isn't.
The plot thickens!
Still love to know how Terry fits into this!
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Commander Dick, The bit where you say "This William's..." I'm lost as to which one, could you explain in a different way please?
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Sorry, I meant John Howitt's father Robert (described as a gentleman and churchwarden at Eastwood) born 1639.
I wish I could send you a chart image, but RootsChat does not seem to facilitate this.
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Dear Commander, We have a painting by Frank P Howitt, dated 1913. It was framed by A. G. Emans, The Original Picture Framing Stores, 139, Portland Road, Hucknall Torkard and looks as if it might have been painted in Scotland. Do you have any information about his life as an artist or where any of his other work might be? You say in your post that he was 'a famous artist', but we can't trace anything about him. Thanks, Beagler