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Hi..pretty new to this..
Could someone please look up:
Sarah Farrant (nee Ristall...I think)..born 1834...Suffolk.
Hopefully married to William Farrant born 1827...
I would like to know who was living at the house, I'm hoping that there is a son called James about 15 years old an address if possible and whatever else you might be able to tell me.
thanks in anticipation.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I just moved this over to Suffolk for you. Sorry to say there is no William or James. Sarah has a husband John and three Children. At aged 27 she would be unlikely to have a 15 year old son. Do you still require the details?
Cheers Kris :'(
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Steve,
Just a thought. Is your James definitely from Suffolk? There is a James aged 15 in Surrey with parents named William and Sarah. Also a 19 year old in Hampshire with parents William and Sarah...........Kris :D
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Steve,
Just a thought. Is your James definitely from Suffolk? There is a James aged 15 in Surrey with parents named William and Sarah. Kris :D
Thanks for putting this in correct place Kris and for being so darned quick! :)
That sounds like them... :)
I have James Thomas Farrant b 1846 in Clare Suffolk...
I have his parents as William and Sarah (nee Ristall)...I know nothing more about her, neither birth, marriage or death dates...
Steve
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Don't know why my last post showed up here! ???
Have moved it to bottom.
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Have you got Jame' marriage.
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Hi Steve,
Unfortunately the family I have found are all born in Newington Surrey. The Newington James is in Southwark in both 1851 and 1861 and all children listed in both entries appear to have been born in Newington. I cannot see any Farrant's or like at all born in Suffolk.
I have been having a look about and don't see a birth listed for a James Thomas Farrant or variants. Nor do I see a James born in Suffolk.
http://www.freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
I think you will need to go through the complete images quarter by quarter and hope one is listed as James Thomas at
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
I was going to suggest someone on this board may be able to assist with Clare baptisms but with the absence of any Farrant's at all in the census I do not feel hopeful. Do the later entries list Clare as POB?
Kris :D
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Kris..I found this:
1901 Census
James Farrant 55 Head b Stoke by Clare Suffolk
Wife Elizabeth J
He is in West Ham Essex
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In 1891 his birthplace is given as Stoke by Clare and here in 1851
FARRANT
Phebey - 26 - head of family - plaiter - looks like unmarried
Susan - 7 - plaiter
James - 5
John - 3
George - 10 months
all born Stoke by Clare
HO107/1787 - Stoke by Clare
Folio 587, Page 34
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Maybe she wasn't unmarried
Thomas FARRANCE
Phoebe CLARKE
1842
June qtr
Risbridge
Vol 12
Page 555
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Well done Sue, ;D
I got to that 51 eventually, but you beat me to it. Looks like your information on the parents may be incorrect Steve, this certainly looks like your man.....Kris ;)
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1841
FARRANT
George - 55 - ag lab
Elizabeth - 35
Thomas - 20
James INCE - 22 - ag lab
John INCE - 18
HO107/1033/6 - Stoke by Clare
Folio 16
Page 25
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1841
also in Stoke by Clare
CLARK
Joshua - 40 - ag lab
Mary - 40
James - 17
Phebe - 15
George - 13
Thomas - 11
Susan - 8
Betsey - 6
Folio 18, Page 29
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Birth
Dec 1/4 1845 Risbridge James FARRANCE 12 379 ;D
Cheers Kris :D
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From Boyds marriage index
Josh CLARK
Mary INCE
1821 - Clare
;D ;D ;D
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Thanks for all the info guys...information overload...my head hurts..LOL..there was me thinking this was gonna be easy!!!!!!
But I just found this on familysearch.org 1881 ..I'm sure this is the one: ???
James FARRANT 35 Mar b Clare General Labourer
17 Church St
West Ham, Essex, England
RG11 /1712 / 63 Page14
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RG9/1126 Folio 141 Page 10
High Street
Stoke
FARRANT Thomas Head 41 Widow b Stoke Ag Lab
FARRANT James Son 16 Unm b Stoke Ag Lab
FARRANT John Son 13 b Stoke Ag Lab
FARRANT George Son 11 b Stoke Ag Lab
FARRANT Caroline Dau 7 b Stoke Scholar
FARRANT Charles Son 5 b Stoke Scholar
ELLINGHAM Eliza Servant 41 Unm b Stoke Servant
Cheers Kris :D
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TOP MAN KRIS..... :)
What do I do next...LOL
I found a Thomas born c1822 married to Eliza living in Stoke by Clare.
How do I find out who his father is? When they married, etc?
Sorry...I don't mean to get you doing this all for me! Just need a few pointers.
Do I need to start subscribing to some sites?
Steve
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Marriage
Thomas FARANT/FARANTS
Eliza ELIGUM
1863
Sep qtr
Risbridge
Vol 4a
Page 536
I suppose this should be ELLINGHAM but this is how its written in the indexes.
If you look on the previous page you will see I put in the 1841 record and Thomas' parents were George and Elizabeth.
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Death
Phoebe FARRANT
1858
Jun qtr
Risbridge
Vol 4a
Page 253
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Baptisms
Stoke by Clare. Parents George and Elizabeth
Charlotte FARRANCE 4 Jul 1813
Charles FARANCE 26 Mar 1816
Ann FARRANCE 3 May 1818
Thomas FARRANCE 24 Dec 1820
James FARRANTE 30 Mar 1823
Cheers Kris :D
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Burials
St John the Baptist Stoke by Clare
FARRANTS Charles 16 Aug 1830 aged 14
FARRANT Elizabeth 22 Feb 1856 aged 74
FARRANT George 19 Dec 1854 aged 74
FARRANT Phoebe 7 Apr 1858 aged 31
FARRANT Thomas 18 Mar 1895 aged 77
Cheers Kris :D
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Whoa....Thanks guys...didn't expect all this info...but I'm getting a 'bit' lost now ???
I'm gonna try and recap if you don't mind!
Thomas Farrant b 1820...married Eliza Eligum (Elligham) in 1863....they had 5 children..JAMES, John. George, Caroline and Charles...
Thomas (b 1820) parents were:
George and Elizabeth...they had 5 children...Charlotte, Charles, Ann, THOMAS and James...
Now how do I find out about George..DOB etc...According to 'suepip' I know he was 55 at time of 1841 census, so born c 1786....but I can't find him on family search, only a marriage for a George Farrant in Haverhill!
Thanks in advance.... ;)
Steve
Kris..is your above post relevant to me now.. ???
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Steve
Once we get going on the info its very hard to stop, we look on it as a challenge.
As regards finding Georges baptism, if you can't find it on the IGI then it will probably have to be parish registers.
:)
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Steve
Once we get going on the info its very hard to stop, we look on it as a challenge.
As regards finding Georges baptism, if you can't find it on the IGI then it will probably have to be parish registers.
:)
suepip.... :)
Can you find can you find out the details I need re Thomas b1820 so that I can order a birth certificate please....I don't understand this bit:
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1824 / 134
Page Number 11
BTW..om familysearch it gives Thomas as being born in 1822.... ???
Thanks again.
I'll see if I can find you another challenge..LOL..this is hard enough doing it for yourself, let alone doing someone elses!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Steve
I'm afraid that births only began to be recorded after the advent of civil registration in 1837. Prior to this you would need to refer to Parish Registers for a baptism.
Most of Suffolk's Anglican records are available for sale at the SRO and lookups from many can be obtained from kind volunteers here and at The Suffolk Surname List.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,129613.0.html
http://www.suffolk-surnames-list.co.uk/
An age disparity of +/- 5 years is very common on census returns, so I would worry about this. The references you have given are what is needed to find the census entry. In this case the 1881 - RG11/1824 Folio 134 Page 11.
To avoid long confusing threads, it is always best to start a new post for a new query.
Rick :)
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Hi Steve,
Will try to clarify for your recap. Thomas the son of George and Elizabeth baptised 1820 married Phoebe CLARKE. They were the parents of the five children (JAMES, John. George, Caroline and Charles) Phoebe died in 1858 and Thomas then married Elizabeth Ellingham in 1863.
The burials I gave are most certainly for you. They appear to be George (Father of Thomas baptised 1820) who died in 1854. Elizabeth the mother of Thomas appears to have died in 1856. Phoebe the first wife of Thomas and mother of James and his four siblings died in 1858. Thomas himself died in 1895. Finally the Charles who died in 1830 appears to be Thomas's elder brother.
As Rick has said from here you will need to start trying Parish Registers. I cannot see the marriage nor the baptism of George. In the 1841 census ages of adults were rounded down in 5 year lots therefore George listing as aged 55 may well have given his age as anything between 55 and 59. In 1851 he lists as aged 71 and 1854 death lists him as aged 74 therefore a baptism around 1780 seems likely. The only ref to a place of birth is the 1851 which lists a birth in Stoke, Elizabeth lists as born in what looks like Hunion/Hunson to me - I suspect Hundon which is in Risbridge and quite near to Stoke by Clare, Though there is also a Hunston in Suffolk. You may find the marriage took place in the Brides Parish.....Good Luck.......Kris :D
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Hi Kris....I wonder if you can confirm something for me re James b 1846!
My James was married 8/7/1877 to Kezia(h) nee Watts b 1855....d 1886.
Have we definetely got the right man?
And how is this relevant as posted earlier?
In 1891 his birthplace is given as Stoke by Clare and here in 1851
FARRANT
Phebey - 26 - head of family - plaiter - looks like unmarried
Susan - 7 - plaiter
James - 5
John - 3
George - 10 months
all born Stoke by Clare
HO107/1787 - Stoke by Clare
Folio 587, Page 34
As Phoebe is given as head of family, is it her family..ie brothers and sisters and she is head because her parents have died?
Thanks.
Steve
Sorry for being a bit of a div and dragging this one out... :-[
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Hi again Steve,
Phoebe is the head of the household an her husband was not about on Census night. Thomas and Phoebe were married in 1842 - Ref provided by Sue earlier) and in the 51 census I see Phoebe is Married (Though I understand Sue wondering about her status it does say Md - just not a lot of difference between the enumerators writing of Md or Un, I am quite certain it does say Md). We then have 4 children listed as Phoebe's children - listed as Susan Dau 7, James son 5, George Son 3 and John Son 10 months. These are certainly Phoebe's children, not her siblings. Age of the eldest Susan fits perfectly with the marriage in 1842. You can purchase James birth certificate with the reference details I provided earlier which will prove this. You may purchase the certificate from
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
I have been back looking about for Thomas and have located him. He has been a naughty boy and is in prison in Bury St Ed! So this explains Phoebe alone with the children working as a Plaiter and little 7 year old Susan at work also. :'(
HO107/1792 Folio 65 Page 58
County Prison
Bury St Edmunds St Mary
FARRANT Thomas Prisoner 28 Mar b Stoke by Clare ag Lab
I am convinced that this is your James but if you also purchase the 1877 marriage cert that will list his fathers name and occupation to be sure.
Kris :D
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Gotcha... :)...bet you think I'm a real dip head...LOL...
So he was in prison when the census was taken.....
And Susan died before 1852 census...
Now...how do I find out about why he was in prison... ;D
It seems it runs in the family cos I think this may be one of my mob as well...the George may well be Thomas father! He was a labourer!
"The Bury & Norwich Post
July 31st 1816
For breaking a threshing machine at Stoke by Clare, 12 months each to Thomas Meers, George Farrant senior, Mary Jackson, Richard Rogers. George Farrant junior and W. Farrant 6 months, George Frost, three months, C.Meers, T.Swallow, William Turner, John Deeks, Sarah Jackson, J.Angel were discharged.
LUDDITES
Thanks for all your help....
Steve
If I'm not allowed to post the above bit from Bury and Norwich Post then please feel free to remove.
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Kris..re Elizabeth..Thomas's mother, husband of George...
You mentioned Elizabeth died/burial 22/2/1856 aged 74....so she would have been born c 1782....roughly the same age as her hubby, George b 1786....
BUT on 1841 census George b 1786 is aged 55, son Thomas is aged 20 and his mother Elizabeth just 35 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!..so this would make her born c 1806... and 20 years younger than hubby!
I hope that makes sense.
Are these different people?
Steve
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Ooh Steve,
A criminal past - exciting stuff. Sorry for the delay. I have a lot on at the moment, and am not the right person to assist with that side of it. Good on you for finding the record you found. Well done. ;D
There is a bit of a George overload in Stoke by the looks of it. Besides the death of your George I also see there are two other burials of George's in the parish - one on the 8 Jul 1835 aged 64 and the other on the 23 Jun 1847 aged 70. We don't know if all were born in Stoke at this stage. Rick provided you with a link to Suffolk Surnames List. They do have a volunteer offering Lookups for Stoke by Clare, hopefully you may be able to get some earlier information.
Yes Susan was buried 17 May 1855 aged 11 Years. Re Elizabeth's age I can't say I am afraid. The 1841 census does clearly say aged 35. No relationships are provided in the 1841 census so impossible to tell if this is an enumerators error or if perhaps this is a daughter. If you can locate the marriage that may give a clue as to this. By George and Elizabeth's ages they do seem old enough to have older children we have not located. Without locating just when the marriage occurred we just can't say. A lot of errors occurred in these census entries so my gut feeling is that this age is an error, but just a feeling. All we can say is the entry clearly lists George as 55 Elizabeth as 35. 1851 entry agrees with the burial dates
HO107/1787 Folio 576 Page 12
45 Stoke
FARRANT George Head 71 b Stoke Labourer
FARRANT Elizabeth Wife 68 b (Hunion)?
I did try looking for the second George buried in 1847 in the 1841 census. I don't see another possible in Stoke by Clare. There is one in Haverhill George 55 wife Elizabeth 50 and children. I will have to leave you to it as my young charge has just arrisen so must away. I was going to go check the distance between Stoke by Clare and Haverhill. Both are in Risbridge Reg District. The actual microfiche may give some idea of an address for these burials. (All St John the Baptist - Stoke by Clare)
Sorry I can't be of any more assistance. All the best.......Kris ;D
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Joshua clark and Mary Ince were my grgrgrgrandparents.
Thanks James