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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Duane Dibley on Wednesday 08 November 06 22:54 GMT (UK)
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Does anybody know if there are any records available for Policemen in the Sculcoates force around 1850 or so.
If I remember correctly it came into being around 1830.
Thanks
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Try the following site
www.policehistorysociety.co.uk
Local governent run all police forces in the UK with the exception of the Metropolitian Police which is run by central government. As a result of this, any police records in the Hull area will not be held by the National Achives and are therfore not public documents.
Also the following book maybe of some use.
J Bridgeman/C Emsley, A Guide to the archives of the police forces of England and Wales (Police History Society, 1990).
Hope these links are helpful.
Ian :)
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A cousin is one of three generations in Humberside police. Can see if they could help if you get stuck.
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The new archives in Beverley has quite a few registers from the Hull police, There was not a Sculcoates Police but the Central Division in Hull covered that area,
:)
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Could you give me any information on contact details for this Beverley archive, please.
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http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/treasurehouse/index.html
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If you search for this document it lists each police force under each county and the archives that are held and who to contact.
A Guide to the Archives of the Police Forces of England and Wales
Ian Bridgeman
Clive Emsley
best wishes Teresa
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Managed to find the link
http://www.open.ac.uk/Arts/history/policing/police-archives-guide/humberside-police.htm
Hope it helps
Teresa
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Hi again,
I have a book "The policemen of Hull" which lists every officer in the force from May 2nd 1836 when the force was formed and up to 1973 if you wish I can look up dates when sworn in and police collar numbers, just give me a rough date
Regards Dave H
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Dave, can you check for any Carvers - should be one almost immediately post WWII, but would be interested in hearing of any others.
Thanks
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Hi Nick,
I have checked Hull from 1900 to 1973 and found no Carvers, but I have a book about the East Yorkshire Police
and found Eric Carver joined 6th Dec 1948 with a collar number PC 211, he was the only Carver in East Yorkshire
Refards Dave H :)
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Hi again,
I have a book "The policemen of Hull" which lists every officer in the force from May 2nd 1836 when the force was formed and up to 1973 if you wish I can look up dates when sworn in and police collar numbers, just give me a rough date
Hi dave
Could you look up Samuel Foreman - he was probably in from the beginning until he died aged 42 in 1845 as one of the first inspectors of the force
Thanks a lot
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Checked and found him, Samuel FOREMAN, sworn in on 18th April 1837 he was initially PC 77, I dont know how promotion was like in those days but his number was reissued on 11th Oct 1838 indicating that he made inspector in just over a year
Regards Dave H
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Hi,
I hope you don't mind me being cheeky, but would you possibly be kind enough to look up a John Whitlam for me. On the 1851 census he is listed as a policeman, but on his marriage cert in 1848, I am pretty sure it is says "farmer", and on his sons birth cert in 1852, his occupation is labourer. So if he was a policeman, it wasn't for very long :)
By the way, a huge welcome to Rootschat, and already you have been a huge help :D
Thanks,
Kath
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Dave
Thanks for that. Eric is the oldest of three generations as mentioned earlier. Still happily enjoying his retirement.
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Hi,
Checked and found John WHITLAM Sworn in on 13th Oct 1849 as PC27, the number was reissued on 8th Sep 1851
Regards Dave H
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Hi Dave,
Wow, thanks very much for that, what a star you are.
Regards,
Kath
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You have started something now Dave.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Can we have a competition to find who has the earliest member of the force in their line?
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Hi Dave
You don't have any information on the Nottingham / Chesterfield / Doncaster police do you ? we have a William H Bunney ( b1846 ) that was in the force in 1871.
Alan
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Sorry Alan , I only have Hull and East riding police forces
Regards Dave :)
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Hi Nick,
Was Graham CARVER a police officer in Hull, one of yours :)?
Dave H
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Hi Rock
Can you do another lookup please for Harry Bateman b1865 Hull
Thanks
Duane
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There is no Harry BATEMAN but there is a Harvey BATEMAN who joined in June 4th 1894 as PC 206, the collar number was reissued in 1903 indicating that he had left the force or he had been promoted
Regards Dave H
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My goodness Dave. You really have started something here. You have to be very careful before mentioning that you have access to something. You'd be amazed at how many people would be interested! :D :D
If you've not completely worn out the pages - any chance that you could look up my great grandfather - William Fall? I believe that he was in the Hull police force around the early 1890s, possibly into the 1900s.
(He was apparently thrown out - my mother thought that it was because he drank, my aunt thought that it was because he beat up a man to preventing the man hitting the man's wife and child. )
Thanks. I appreciate it
Isobel
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Hi Isobel,
Glad to help, There is a William Fall who was a PC 271 he joined up on 6th Dec 1895 and his collar number was next issued on 9th April 1931
Regards Dave H
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Im aware of a PC William Whitelam who was often mentioned in the Hull papers C1860. He was the 100th police officer enlisted in the city.
As for Sculcoates police station, it was situated on Church St which is now wincomlee. Its sadly gone but was adjoined to Sculcoates Inn on one side and the family home of a Jack the Ripper suspect.
The police station was built around 1878 as the headquarters of C division.
F.S.Smith the victorian artist drew a brilliant picture of the police station looking south.
There was also a photo of the whole of C division in Images of Hull, Kingston upon hull the second selection by paul gibson. The book also contains a photo of the adjacent pub.
Hope this helps
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Hi Dave,
Any chance of a look up for a distant ancestor, please:
James Brown, born in Scotland around 1816. The 1841 census has him as a Policeman in Hull, living in Providence Street. He seems to have left the force before 1851 when the census has him as a Post Office Porter (on night duty on the night of the census).
Many thanks,
Dave
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Here are two images of Sculoates police station. The first is a drawing from the FS Smith book images of Victorian Hull vol 2.
The second image is an actual photo of the station complete with the entire staff of C division. Hope this helps
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Thanks, Mike-
I reckon that FS Smith drawing is one of his best!
Dave
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The Sculcoates inn is next door to the police station and I have a brilliant picture of that , FS Smith missed no detail in his books, I am working my way through both Victorian Hull 1 and Victorian Hull 2. The first concentrates more on the old town, high street etc.
Were as the second book goes further afield.
Both fantastic reads.
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That is a beautiful drawing and fabulous photo. Is there a date on the photo?
Isobel
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Hi Dave,
Found him James BROWN entered the force 2nd November 1838 as PC 79. The number was then reissued on 7th April 1844, this will be your man as he was the only James BROWN in the force during the census.
There was a James BROWN entered the Force on the 19th November 1846 but he had left by 3rd August 1847.
Hope That helps Davh H
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Many Thanks, Dave-
All the dates tie in so, as you say, it's him!
KRs
Dave
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The FS Smith drawing dates from 1882, and can be found in his books. The public house to the left of the building was the Sculcoates arms and was the only pub in hull with a police station next door.
The photo was taken in 1921 and can be found in the excellent images of england: kingston upon hull, the 2nd selection. The book is by Paul Gibson and contains fantastic images of hull.
If anyone wishes for images of Hull pubs, inns, hotels, landmarks or streets from the Victorian age to the present please get in touch.
Regard Mike
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Any ideas on the date of the group photo??
oops = hadnt seen the latest posts!!
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Yes 1921
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Hope you don't mind me jumping on the bandwagon, but is there any chance you can take a look for my husband's gg grandfather.
He moved around East Yorkshire a bit (from the births of his children) but I assume once given a police number it is yours for life.
He was Henry Hughes ATKIN born 1838 in Elvington, Yorks.
He was a groom in 1857 in York, but not sure if that's linked to the police.
His occupation was given as policeman in :-
1858 - Howden
1859 - New Village
1860 - Hessle
1862 - Cottingham
1864 - Lockington
1867 - Hutton Cranswick
1871 - Scarborough
1873 onwards he was in Hull, but not sure if he was still a policeman
Was it usual to be moved around so much? If his children hadn't had unusual names I would have thought it was more than one man!!
Thank you,
Gill
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Hi Gill,
I have sent a personal message
Regards Rockofages
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William Whitelam was my ggg grandfather! Thanks ever so much for information about him being 100th enlisted officer - that was fantastic. Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
He was not really the 100th policeman, but his collar number was 100 , The first peson to have collar number 100 was Robert White in Sept 30th 1844, your William Whitelam was about the 8th person to hold that collar number.
Regards Rockofages
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Hi
I wonder if you might be able to tell me anything about my gt grandfather George Henry Chapman b1857. I think he joined about 1880 but not sure if it was Hull or from Burton Pidsea where he was born. I know he went through some ranks and have a picture of him in uniform but have yet to obtain much more detail and am not sure where to look.
Thanks
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Yes George Henry Chapman Joined the Hull City Police on Sept 12th 1878 his collar number was PC 193 I dont know when he was promoted but his number was next issued to a John Crisp on Sept 7th 1885 which means he was promoted to Inspector prior to that date I do know that the treasure house Archives in Beverley has all the written details and would be pleased to help, they are very good Hope this helps,
Rockofages
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Hi Jane,
Yes George Henry Chapman Joined the Hull City Police on Sept 12th 1878 his collar number was PC 193 I dont know when he was promoted but his number was next issued to a John Crisp on Sept 7th 1885 which means he was promoted to Inspector prior to that date I do know that the treasure house Archives in Beverley has all the written details and would be pleased to help, they are very good Hope this helps,
Rockofages
taken from the Beverley archives site
1741, George Henry Chapman, Supt [Superintendant], 6 Sep 1878, 28 Feb 1910, superannuated
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I hope I am doing this correctly. Not sure about all the buttons yet. I would just like to thank you both for this very quick reply. I posted the message before I went to bed and there it was when I woke up. Very impressive. I will now make further enquiries.
Regards
jane
Hi Jane,
Yes George Henry Chapman Joined the Hull City Police on Sept 12th 1878 his collar number was PC 193 I dont know when he was promoted but his number was next issued to a John Crisp on Sept 7th 1885 which means he was promoted to Inspector prior to that date I do know that the treasure house Archives in Beverley has all the written details and would be pleased to help, they are very good Hope this helps,
Rockofages
taken from the Beverley archives site
1741, George Henry Chapman, Supt [Superintendant], 6 Sep 1878, 28 Feb 1910, superannuated
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Hi ,Gosh this bandwagon is getting bigger. Could I be cheeky also and ask for a look up ?.
My Great Granpa was a Richard (fendley) Cleveland and when he retired he was a Detective Inspector
I understand he joined the police force in 1900 and his number was 42.
I would love to know if there would be any pics and when he retired ?.
Thanx Rox.