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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Keith Sherwood on Tuesday 07 November 06 22:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Everyone,
I've just come across the birthplace (in about 1824/5) of a man I've been trying to trace, Robert CARTER, as being given as Mill Hall. Until this moment, I'd had his place of birth given as simply "Aylesford".
I notice when I google, Mill Place, Aylesford, that there appears to be a Mill Place Industrial Estate in Aylesford at the present time.
Does anyone know what or where Mill Hall might have been in the Aylesford area as long ago as the 1820's?
Very many thanks,
keith
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Hi Keith
If you look at the Aylesford Tithe award schedule, you will see that there were several people "occupying" land at "Mill Hall"
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Maps/Maps%20intro.htm
Unfortunately, the accompanying map isn't online to show you the exact location of these fields and wood but there is an 1869 map which shows Mill Hall http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ - search by co-ordinate/grid ref. 572189,158666
Casalguidi
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Casalguidi,
That's wonderful! Thanks so much for supplying those links for me. I find it strange that after several Census entries for this individual that simply gave his birthplace as Aylesford, the much more specific Mill Hall was given in the 1871 Census.
keith
N.B. I'm still trying to find the marriage of Robert CARTER's parents, Robert and Elizabeth (nee unknown as yet). As Robert junior appears to be the firstborn child, it's quite possible that his birthplace was associated with his mother, and therefore I'll study and refer to that list of names associated with Mill Hall with renewed interest - perhaps Elizabeth's family are there somewhere...
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Casalguidi,
Sorry, it's me again, all excited about the precision of the location of Mill Hall on that 1869 map - right next to Aylesford Station. Can you deal with my ignorance on such matters, and give me some kind of date for those Tithe Awards...
Many thanks,
keith
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Hi Keith
As far as I can make out ;D
Aylesford = Ayl on the following map (mid right on the central yellow area) http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Maps/LofKPW.htm
and is the section with horizontal lines immediately to the left of the black section in the near middle left of the following map
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w9/
So it looks like the apportionment was confirmed c1839-1841 and the map compiled 1839-1841 too
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wa/
Casalguidi
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If you look under Aylesford on the Here's History Kent website (www.hereshistorykent.org.uk (http://www.hereshistorykent.org.uk)) you will find a number of maps of the area at different times. It is identified as Mill Hall on Greenwood 1821, Mudge 1801 and as Millhole on Symonson 1596. My own copy of Andrews and Drury 1769 shows it as Millhole.
Regards, Mike
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Casalguidi - again! and now Mike,
This is becoming a quite fascinating topic. How fortunate that Robert CARTER decided to be more precise with his birthplace to the 1871 Census enumerator.
I've not come across that Here's History Kent Website before, and shall spend some time poring over those maps now...
Very many thanks,
keith
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Mike (Corsend),
Just a further note from me to say how thought-provoking those maps were to study even more closely. It seems that Mill Hall was a separate settlement or hamlet, rivalling Aylesford in size early on. It's variously marked as:
MYLHALL in Saxton's 1575 map
MYLHOLE Symondson 1596
no mention in Parker 1719
MILL HALE in Hasted 1778
MILL HALL in Mudge 1801
MILL HALL (I think, just off the small section of map given) in Greenwood 1821
Obviously a place with a long and ancient history...!
Many thanks again.
keith
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Can i help?
I live in Mill Hall ;D
I actually live in one of the cottages associated with the big Manor house (Mill Hall), and have photo's of that if required (it's since been part demolished)..
Mill Hall is indeed right by Aylesford Station..
Mike
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Hi, Mike,
This is remarkable! It may take me a little while to get back up to speed on this, as the last posting was nearly 4 years ago, and I need to pick up the thread again...
However, I have since discovered that Robert CARTER) (senior)'s wife was an Elizabeth VANE, and her family came from this area of Kent, I believe. I'm still not quite clear how "Mill Hall" was given as a birthplace for Robert CARTER junior in 1824. I wonder whether it referred to the estate rather than the grand house itself. Certainly the CARTER's were fairly prosperous wholesale furniture merchants in the Minories in London by then, but I doubt whether the family could have been associated with the main house.
Perhaps if you have any details on Mill Hall that might throw some light on this matter, I would be most grateful. Also, too, any photographs would be gratefully received! I'll PM you with my e-mail address after I've written this,
Very best wishes, keith
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Hi Keith,
I am very new to this, as I found you while I was "Googling" Mill Hall in Aylesford, Kent and saw that you also had family born at Mill Hall! I was curious to find out whether you found out what Mill Hall was? I have quite a few births here (approximately 8 ), the surname is MARSHALL and they were born from 1866 to the year, 1888. This is a little later than your family. I am in Australia, so I am not quite sure where this hall is or whether it is really a hall, only from what I have seen from maps and they have been rather inconclusive.
I really look forward to hearing from you!
Thank you, Kate
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Can i help?
I live in Mill Hall ;D
I actually live in one of the cottages associated with the big Manor house (Mill Hall), and have photo's of that if required (it's since been part demolished)..
Mill Hall is indeed right by Aylesford Station..
Mike
Dear Mike
My rellos on my mother's side are the Vanes and I'm still doing my family research. I guess Elizabeth was the daughter of Abraham & Amelia.
In any case, I would really like the photos you have spoken of, as generations of Vanes seem to have lived at Mill Hall (Millwall sic). Now as a newcomer to this site, I don't know how to contact you directly which is why I'm posting this.
regards
Grahame
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Hi, Grahame, and welcome to Rootschat!
I would be very interested indeed to hear more from you about Elizabeth VANE and her family in this part of Kent...
regards, keith
N.B. For you and Mike to be able to initially communicate on here via PM (Personal Message), and thereafter by your own e-mails, you have to have made at least 3 posts on this site.
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Thanks Mike
Well, as far as I can see, Elizabeth is the daughter of Abraham Vane & Amelia Humphries. Sister of my ancestor, Thomas Vane (b. June 1840). She was baptised on 2nd June 1833 at Mill Hall along with the rest of the family - 5 children.
Abraham was a farm labourer there.
Abraham is the son of Nicholas & Martha Vane, baptised 11 Aug 1793. I know the other children if you are interested.
What more would you like ? I know more about Thomas of course.
Grahame
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Grahame,
This has been a tremendous help...I would also very much like to know who the siblings of Abraham VANE bapt.1793 were, if you would be so kind.
Very best wishes, keith
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Hi Keith
They were:
George b. 4 Sept 1791
William Henry b. 27 Apr 1788
Thomas b. 21 Jan 1787
John b. 14 Feb 1790
Haven't a clue about what they did, when they got married or when they died. I've only got all this info in the last week.
Now, if anyone has any photos or further history or information on Mill Hall, I'd be very interested. Any format is OK.
Grahame
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Grahame,
Thanks very much indeed for those...
keith
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I also lived in Mill Hall between the early 1970s through to the mid 1990s. My parents were landlords of the only pub in Mill Hall. The pub was called "The George", I have a photo of it. I can post it if required (once I find it !!)
Best regards
Wayne
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Thanks
That's very kind of you to offer, and I'll take you up on that if I may.
Let me know when and if you find it and I'll give you the address for a copy via personal e-mail.
Regards
Grahame
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I think this was 1991 ish
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Hi
Iam new to the site and came across your comments...my grandparfents lived at Mill Hall right next to the railway line and my mother was born there! Iam sure there are alot of old photos from my mothers childhood that I could get to you if you were still interested. The name was Bowyer.
Delyss :)
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Richard and Glynn ?
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:) Yes they are my cousins! How do you know them? :)
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They all used the pub at one time or another. I remember when Richard broke his leg about the age of 18. Several of us went camping together soon after.
I also remember your grandmother. My father used to make food hampers up for the local OAPs at Christmas, one of my jobs near Christmas was to help my father deliver the hampers. From memory, your grandmother was in the house on the end of the terrace nearest to the level crossing. I am unsure how many years ago your grandmoter died, but I think it was about 25 years ago.
Best regards
Wayne
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The large house in MillHall was partly demolished about 30 years ago. At the time the local paper covered the story and printed a photo taken of the house around the turn of the century. I have contacted the paper over the last couple of days but they say they have no record of the image.
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Can i help?
I live in Mill Hall ;D
I actually live in one of the cottages associated with the big Manor house (Mill Hall), and have photo's of that if required (it's since been part demolished)..
Mill Hall is indeed right by Aylesford Station..
Mike
Hi Mike
Do you have photos of Mill Hall House you can post ?
Best regards
Wayne
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Hi All
I can see this is an on again off again thread - but I was very delighted to find it because ..guess what my ancestors also lived at Mill Hall! My 2x great-grandmother lived there from 1851-1894. She was married to a Webster and after his death married a Skinner but remained living at Mill Hall. I can see from the census enumerations that over the years she was recorded living at Mill Hall (presumably in the cottages), Wyatt Cottage and finally Mill Hall Cottage. In 1851, I notice that she was a neighbour of the Vane family that somebody mentioned earlier on in this thread. Will have a look at some of the links to the maps which should be very interesting. I just assumed they worked for the owners of the "Hall" I really should find out a bit more about the place.
Kind regards :)
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To answer your original question here is a description of Mill Hall:Great Britain. Commissioners for Inquiring Concerning Charities - 1840
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"Old Mill Hall House" Mill Hall, Aylesford CC/C-PL/2/AHI-50/132 1972-4
EK-U1453 - COBB OF MARGATE
12 - MAPS AND PLANS
4 - Identifiable houses, etc Margate and area
FindingNo EK/U1453/P104
Title Mill Hill House
Level file
Date nd [19th-20th century]
Both the above from:
http://www.kentarchives.org.uk/CalmView/Overview.aspx?s=aylesford
And the most likely place to get old drawings and/or photographs
PM
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They all used the pub at one time or another. I remember when Richard broke his leg about the age of 18. Several of us went camping together soon after.
I also remember your grandmother. My father used to make food hampers up for the local OAPs at Christmas, one of my jobs near Christmas was to help my father deliver the hampers. From memory, your grandmother was in the house on the end of the terrace nearest to the level crossing. I am unsure how many years ago your grandmoter died, but I think it was about 25 years ago.
Best regards
Wayne
Wow it is so fantastic to see that you know the people Keith Sherwood is thinking about.
A similar story also happened to me. My grandparents had a lot of fruit trees in their garden and in fall we always made fruit hampers (http://www.serenatahampers.com/petals/Fruit_basket.htm) for neighbors of them. When I met my girlfriend we talked about our grandparents and then we suddenly detected that I know her grandparents since I was a little boy because they are neighbors of my grandparents. I think something like this is just amazing. It's a small world!
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The George football team 1985
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Blimey afew of those Faces look familiar. ;)
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Hi all, I am researching my family and have found a 3 x great grandmother it says she died at Mill Hall Aylesford Kent March 1879. Her death was listed as Elizabeth Bray she left her husband John Dowlen about 1850 and went to live at the hall with William Mansell he also went by the name of William Bray