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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: F.H. on Sunday 05 November 06 18:10 GMT (UK)
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Hello all.
I'm looking for as much info on Emma Martha DAVIS, her parents and brothers and sisters. She was born around 1832 in Bethnal Green.
She married a Frederick HEINS in 1854 and I have the info following her marriage, thankyou. But it's her relatives I would like to find if poss.
Her fathers name was, i believe, George DAVIS. He was born around 1809 in Shoreditch and I think he was a weaver.
Many thanks
F H
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Hello F H
Does this look possible?
26 Booth Street, Christchurch Spitalfields
George Davis Head Widower 48 Hand Loom Weaver (Silk) b Stepney
Emma Dau Unm 20 Hand Loom Weaver (Silk) b Bethnal Green
She seems the best match given date and place of birth plus father George.
If you think this is possible I can have a trawl through the 1841 to see if I can find them, hopefully with a mother for Emma.
Barbara
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Hello Barbara.
Yes, that looks very promising... :o
Was that from the 1851 census ?
I would be very grateful if you could "trawl" through the 1841 for me. :D
Many thanks,
Fred
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Hi Fred
Yes, that was from the 1851.
I will get back to you on the 1841 census.
Barbara
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Hello again Fred
I am not having much luck in the 1841 census as I cannot find Emma with a father named George. I have tried looking for both Davis and Davies.
Do you have Emma's marriage certificate? I wonder if the witnesses might be useful.
Barbara
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To put the cat amongst the pidgeons,this was also in the 51 census.
George Davis 42 Hd Bread Baker? Shoreditch
Susannah " 41 ?
Emma " 20 bethnal grn
Agness " 18 " "
Annetta " 16 " "
Edwin " 14 " "
George " 6 " "
Elizabeth Allinson? sister 32 St Lukes Middx
HO107/1541 F 235 Bethnal Grn,St Andrews.
KenB
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Hi Barbara.
On her marriage cert dated 1854, the witness's are a Ann Meyer and a Nicholas Gerken,. Unfortunately, these two are from her new husbands side. Her husband was German and had only recently arrived in England. :)
Hi kennyb.
If we could see this family in the 1861 census, perhaps George Davis may have changed jobs just after that census and prior to her wedding in 1854...
Just a thought... ::)
Thank you both for your help,
Fred.
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I will have a look at 1861 and see if the George Ken has found has changed his occupation. Will also look for the George I listed.
Don't suppose you have a proper address for Emma on her marriage certificate do you Fred?
Barbara
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Here are my 1861 findings
Ken's George
3 Heals Lane, Bethnal Green
George Davis Head Mar 52 Silk Tassel Maker b Shoreditch
Sarah Wife Mar 51 b Woolwich
Elizabeth Atkinson Sister in law 40 b St Lukes (can’tmake out marital status)
Although the wife’s name is different Elizabeth Atkinson seems to be the link between the 2 censuses and Susannah/Sarah’s place of birth is Woolwich on both censuses George does seem to have changed his job.
In 1851 this family was in Bethnal Green but I cannot make out the name of the street – the writing is very bad but they were at number 93.
My George
19 Bank Street, St Dunstan, Stepney
I think this may be the George I found in 1851
George Davis Lodger Unm 57 Silk Weaver b Spitalfields
Not absolutely sure about the street names in the 1861 census for either George!
I need to think about what this tells us. Pity Davis is quite a common name. Emma's place of marriage may give us a clue.
Barbara
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In 51 the address was 93 Seabright street for my George.
Ken
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Thanks Ken. Looks obvious now you have deciphered it!
Barbara
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Hello Barbara and Ken.
Wow, you two have done me proud. I am very gratefull to you both. ;)
Firstly, Barbara. Emma Martha Davis's address on her wedding cert was given as 17 Artillery Lane and her new husband Frederick Heins, his address was given as 20 Artillery Lane.
looking at the material you have both given me, i have a feeling (in me water) that its Ken's George who is the right one.
Again, it is something to do with the sister in law. I have found in my paperwork a name of Elizabeth Susannah Atkinson... not quite the same name but...
Do you reckon that you could look up and give me all the info for the1861 census regarding that family.
Many thanks,
Fred :D
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Hello Fred
Yes. I agree that the George and Susanna family looks best despite the occupation in 1851!
The IGI has a marriage for George Davis and Elizabeth Susanna Atkinson 29 DEC 1829 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch.
Also a birth and bap for Emma in 1830 again at St Leonards.
So far as the 1861 census is concerned I have, I think, given you all the details on the George/Susanna family. All the children seem to have moved on.
Barbara
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Hello Barbara.
Talk about getting confused... :-[ :-\
The 1841 I meant.
Could you find Ken's George in the 1841 please.
Regards Fred :D
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Ah - the excitement has got to you :)
1841
Brady's Buildings, Bethnal Green
George Davis 32
Susanna 31
Emma 11
Agnes 7
Edward 5
George? Lewis? 1
The writing is awful so I have had to guess at some of the names. All are said to be born in county.
George's occupation is also very difficult to read. At first I thought it said Journeyman ....But I am really not sure.
The ref is HO 107 691/3 f11. Maybe someone else will take a look and be able to help out.
Barbara
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Ennit good when it all comes together. ;D ;D
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Hi ya Kennyb.
just wanna say a big thanks for your help.
And yea, it is good when it all comes together.
Many thanks,
Fred.
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Ah - the excitement has got to you :)
1841
Brady's Buildings, Bethnal Green
George Davis 32
Susanna 31
Emma 11
Agnes 7
Edward 5
George? Lewis? 1
The writing is awful so I have had to guess at some of the names. All are said to be born in county.
George's occupation is also very difficult to read. At first I thought it said Journeyman ....But I am really not sure.
The ref is HO 107 691/3 f11. Maybe someone else will take a look and be able to help out.
Barbara
Yes the writing is atrocious ::)
I think your Edward is actually Edwin... Although I have Edwin's who ended up called Edward on their death certificates >:(
And the youngest child looks like Oliver, there is an Oliver born in Shorditch Jun qtr 1840 [2, 402] which may be the one??
Other than that I've no idea what the enumerator wrote ??? ;)
Hilary
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Hi Hilary.
Thanks for that.
I'm inclined to agree with you on both accounts. :D
There is definitely an Edwin in there family, and the youngest child on that census looks like Oliver to me too.
It is such a shame that the writing is so bad, :-\ when you do look at the first word in George's occupation, it certainly does look like "journey" something... ???
Hopefully some one else may have a look and "unlock" the mystery. :-\
Regards,
Fred.
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Hello Fred
I have been looking at the census sheet again.
I wonder whether the occupation is Journeyman Baker? The dark downward stroke is not part of the word - see similar marks on the sheet. The letter after the "y" in Journey could be a capital B then ak and then the rest is hidden by the vertical column.
I agree Edwin not Edward and Oliver is a possibility.
Barbara
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My Grt grt grandmother was Clarissa Davi(e)s. She is a brick wall. According to her marriage certificate (1849) her father was George (a porter), and on her death certificate her mother was Patience Blan(d)ford). I have found her parents' marriage certificate (1824), but not Clarissa's birth certificate although she was born about 1830. Clarissa married Anton Wilhelm Friedrich Sievers and they, along with Wilhelm's brother and his wife, immediately jumped on a ship to New Zealand. I can't find any census records showing George and Patience together. Some very interesting things: My aunty has 3 DNA matches to 3 different children of Johann Friedrich Heins (1828-1913) and Emma Martha Davis. Is with through the Heins side or the Davi(e)s side ??? The Emma's father was George, the same as Clarissa, although I know that these names are common. And guess what ! George and his daughter Emma were living in Booth St Spitalfields in 1851 (with no mother) and Booth St is listed as Clarissa's address at the time of her marriage in 1849...Any thoughts are most welcome.