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Looking for information on the parents of Charles John WOMERSLEY, (born 1810? in Tenterden and died in Hastings 1899). Thanks.
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Hi There,
The only Womersleys I have ever come across in Kent are 'mine' .. originally from Thorne or Fishlake area near Doncaster, Yorks.
I have a Charles b.1819 in Thanet, Kent .. father Henry, but they were a reasonably large family and I have probably many others to unearth yet.
I would love to know how and if Charles John fits in...
Regards
Mark
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Hi!
That is interesting because so far I have not been able to go further back with Charles John WOMERSLEY. All the information I have is from census forms, his daughter's Evelinda's wedding certificate and his death certificate. He was born in Tenterden, Kent circa 1810 and married an Ellen ???? (born circa 1815) He worked as an upholsterer, first in Hastings (as his daughter was born there) then in Pentonville Road, Clerkenwell, London (describing himself as a Master Upholsterer) and then he retired to 6 Wellington Square in Hastings. He died 13 April 1899 at the age of 90 and his buried there. There was a family portrait of him - a jolly looking bald headed man.
Hope you find a link.
Tracer :)
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my tree is visible on Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=chalkmark&I11.x=20&I11.y=3
also on Gencricles if you prefer the formatting there.
Hope this helps .. would be great if we can find a connection.
Mark
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Found him in 1871 along with two possible sons:-
1871 Harold Place, Hastings
Charles J Womersley; head. Married; aged 60; upholsterer & auctioneer; born Tenterden, Kent
Eleanor Womersley; wife; married; aged 56; born Kingsbridge, Devon
RG10/1031 f39 page 5
1871 26 St Andrews Road, Hastings
Frederick W Womersley; head; married; aged 31; upholsterer; born Hastings
Mary A; wife; married; aged 34; born Bexhill
Emily (11), Fred (6), Godfrey (4) and Henry (2) all born Hastings
1871 52 St Andrews Road, Hastings
Alfred D Womersley; head; married; aged 33; Auctioneer & Upholsterer; born Hastings, Sussex
Lucy; wife; married; aged 38; born Guestling, Sussex
There is also a potential marriage for a Charles John WOMERSLEY in the June Quarter of 1850 in Islington Volume 3 Page 225. Perhaps his marriage to Eleanor was a second marriage?
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Hi, I know you left the question about Charles John Womersley (born Tenterden 1810) back in 2004 but I wondered if you were still researching him at all. Is he a relative? You mention a photo of him?
He is a great great great grandfather of mine and I have researched his parents, his sisters, his three wives and his children - but you no doubt know all this by now! I still dont know his mother Mary Rose Anna's maiden name but have contacted Hampshire Record Office (she was born in Redbridge, 1782) to try to get copies of microfiches of parish records.
Please let me know how your research progressed. Thanks
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My research on WOMERSLEY rather died a death because other family branches seemed to take precedence for one reason or another. What information do you have - I would be very interested. His daughter Evelinda Voyce WOMERSLEY b. 1834 married a MarK FOOKS b.1834 in 1862. They both died in 1917.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Sorry I forgot to mention that he is my husband's great great great grandfather.
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Bear with me, I will come back to you in the next few days re Charles Womersley, however, could you just tell me how you are related and has a relative passed the photo down to you?
Thanks
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Hi
Charles WOMERSLEY was my husband's great great great grandfather. It was not a photo - it was a portrait. According to my husband it passed to his sister who died in Austria in 2003 and is presumably with one of her children. He remembers it from his youth. It was always hung above a similar portrait of a woman my husband assumed to be his wife. (Although it could have been another relation he thinks was named Caroline.)
His daughter, Evelinda Voyce WOMERSLEY married in 1862 Mark FOOKS and this is the line that my husband is descended from.
Thanks for your help - am looking forward to hearing from you.
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Hi, here is my info as promised - apologies for the many bits you no doubt already know.
1841 census - Charles John Womersley (upholsterer) born 1810 Tenterden, Kent, wife Caroline W, children Arabella, Evelinda Voyce, Alfred, & William at Albion Place, Hastings. I am curious as to when CJW was in Pentonville Road, London.
CJW and Caroline W (nee Shaw) married on 23 August 1831 in Crowhurst, Sussex. Caroline could have been christened 15 Nov 1807 In Horsham, Sussex to William and Rhoda Shaw. RS died in Hastings in 1844 & there is also a William Shaw died in Hastings in 1844.
Caroline died in 6 May 1848 in Hastings, vol 7, pg 277 (5th son, Beronia born April/May/June 1848) - burial??
Charles remarried on 2 April 1850 - to Catherine Price (nee Hands) - she was born in 1815 in Oxford. Wedding Cert shows CJW’s dad as David W., occupation, Mason. In 1851, Charles (41) and Catherine (37) lived at 3&4 York Place with Caroline and Charles’s 5 sons, Alfred Douglas (b.1838), William (b.1840), Henry (b.1842), Charles G (born 1844), Beronia 1848 and 1 daughter, Evelinda Voyce Womersely born 1834. (Would love to know relevance of Voyce & Gaskill middle names). Evelinda was a milliner.
In 1851 W relatives were resident in Chesterfield Street, Marylebone. (Chesterfield St was the home of the Wesleys in 1771, as in Wesleyan religion). They included Mary R W (born Redbridge, Hants in 1782), CJW’s mother. She is listed as the Head of the household and an annuitant. Also, two sisters of his - Mary E. (born Camberwell, Surrey in 1816/1814), she was a milliner, and Martha Selina (born Saddleworth, Yorks in 1818/1820) who was a governess. Also resident were two of CJW’s daughters born in Hastings, Arabella, born 1836 and Mary Selina, born Jan-Feb-Mar 1846. (So 9 children in total) Mary R is listed as a widow aged 69.
I am intrigued by a resident of 4 Chesterfield St who was a “Demonstrator of Chemistry”!
A Mary Rose Anna W dies in 1859 in Clerkenwell. (I presume she is Mary R W above) (A David W died in Clerkenwell in 1842, but also a David W died in Hastings in 1848 & 2 in Halifax!)
In 1861 Charles (51) and Catherine (46) lived at Harold Place, Hastings. Catherine dies on 28 March 1862 when she is aged 49 years. She is buried at the Parish of St Clements Church in Halton (a district of Hastings). The headstone says “The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more”
In 1861, Charles John W has remarried to an Eleanor, who was born about 1815 in Kingsbridge in Devon. They married in Chelsea in 1865. He is now 61, an upholsterer and auctioneer and they live in Harold Place in Hastings. I think Eleanor/Ellen was previously Ellen Innocent. Meanwhile, Charles’s sister, Martha S. W, is living with Mary Selina W (his daughter) in Hastings. Martha is a Lodging Housekeeper at Alexandra House, Denmark Place in the seafront and Mary Selina is a Visiting Governess. In March 1868 Laura Sarah Pert wee (my GG Gran, aged 17 married Charles Gaskill W aged 24 . They married at the Wesleyan Chapel in West Hackney. Witnesses were Charles’s sister, Mary Selina W and John Innocent (possibly son of his father’s 3rd wife Ellen W (nee Innocent). Possibly John I was a goldsmith.
On 14th June 1871, Charles died of TB in Sandown, Isle of Wight he was 28, an accountant, 6 mths after my Great Gran, Maggie Pertwee W was born on the Island. Could not find a burial record in IOW - did his body go back to Hastings?
Meanwhile, in 1871, Charles’s sister, Martha Selina W, is living with his daughter Mary Selina W in Hastings. Martha is a Lodging Housekeeper at Alexandra House, Denmark Place and Mary Selina is a Visiting Governess. The house is in Denmark Place on the seafront. Other sister Mary EJ W. is living in St Leonards with 2 servants.
In 1881, Mary E W aged 63 and born in Camberwell) is living in 23, Woodhouse Lane ( exists today - LS2 8LX) as a confectioner together with a sister Selina who was born in 1822 in Halifax, aged 59. They are both listed as unmarried.
Charles is now 71 living at 6 Wellington Square, the most elegant part of Hastings that remains from this time. The houses are terraced Edwardian houses around a green. He is described as a Master Upholsterer, wifes name now Ellen but still born in Devon.
In 1881, Mary E is living in Darlington together with her sister Martha, they are aged 77 and 73. Evelinda lives at 9 West Terrace, Darlington & has 3 daughters & 1 servant. Mark Fooks, her husband, born abt 1835, Thornford, Dorset is a journalist on the Northern Echo. Excellent article by Mark at www.attachingthedevil.co.uk/peers/fooks.php about Mr WT Stead.
Evelinda also appears in 1891 & 1901 census.
In 1891, Charles and Eleanor are at 40 Quarry Road, Hastings in 1891 and Charles finally died in June 1899 (where buried?). She is now born Middlesex, not Devon?
Eleanor dies AMJ 1900 Camberwell.
Selina W’s parish birth record (Saddleworth) shows father as David and Rosanna Womersley. David’s parents were Joseph W (b 3 Oct 1745, Hartshead) and Alice Cardon of Birstall, and Joseph’s parents are John W and Hannah Wilkinson -(source Genuki - West Yorks church records). The family are Wiredrawers in Clifton, West Yorkshire.
Do you have anyway of getting a photo of the portraits? Happy hunting!!
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Dear Hastingswoman,
Thank you so much for all the information...much of which I didn't have, as I had only done the Mark FOOKS connection. We have the marriage certificate of Mark FOOKS and Evelinda in December 1862 of which I can give you details if interested plus his obituary. Martin is now endeavouring to get a photo of the portraits but I should warn you that his brother-in-law who is Austrian and lives in Saltzburg has been depressed since his wife's death. We hope for the best.
In the meantime thanks very much and happy hunting to you too.