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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: erin21 on Monday 30 October 06 21:52 GMT (UK)
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I obtained this cert but am unable to make certain parts of it clear. Can any one make out the name of the church or the street names?
Erin
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Kelton on the Hill????
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LancashireBMD have the marriage at St. James', Toxteth Park.
I think the groom was at 21 Bloom St and the bride at Chesterfield St.
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or, Walton on the hill
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I think the parish is Walton on the Hill.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/WaltonontheHill/
Above is the list of churches - although it looks like St James P Church to me & there isn't one of those listed!
The second address is Chesterfield St, the first possibly Bolton St?
Can you find them on a census & then look at the street names in that area?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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The line at the top is very difficult, but lower it reads to me like "Married in the Church of St James according to the rites...".
Chesterfield St still exists in the right area, off Upper Stanhope St. Can't find Bloom St at present. The only awkward part is that "Parish of Walton on the Hill". I wonder if the clergyman was just visiting from there and wrote that in automatically?
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Kelton on the Hill????
Is it Walton on the hill?
Erin
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Can you find them on a census & then look at the street names in that area?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
Arranroots
Thanks for that They were in Tamworth street toxteth park in 1881
Erin
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Andrewalston is spot on. Definitely 21 Bloom St (with a caret showing the writer has left one of the o's out) and Chesterfield St.
Gareth
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Gareth
Thanks for confirming that. The cert was so badly written and mistakes made the recipients must have been quite disappointed with it I should think!!!
Erin
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My tired old eyes see the following:
St Johns for the church
Groom at 21 Bloom St
Bride at Chesterfield St
Parish Walton on the Hill
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Bloom St was between Myrtle Street ans Falkner Street. I think Walton on the Hill Parish covered most of Liverpool at that time.
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Thanks to one and all for your help.!
Erin :)
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theres a picture of Chesterfield st on www.toxteth.net
http://www.toxteth.net/places/index.htm
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Andy
Wow! that's amazing, it really brings it home when you see the photos. Thank you so much. Have you any idea of the date of the photograph?
Erin :)
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Andy
sorry just noticed it was 1934 Thanks again
Erin ::)
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I looked again,because I thought I'd seen a date,but I didn't notice it!! There is a link at the bottom to Liverpool archives maybe they have more photos.
Andy
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There's also a picture of St James, Toxteth here http://www.stjamestoxteth.co.uk/
I'd agree with what others have thought about Chesterfield and Bloom Streets. The only thing that bothered me was St James being classed as Walton on the Hill, when I wondered if it should have been in the Parish of Toxteth Park, but looking at the date it didn't have it's own registration district until much later and although Parishes and Reg. Districts are different, maybe they changed around the same time, so yes it will be Walton on the Hill.
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I looked again,because I thought I'd seen a date,but I didn't notice it!! There is a link at the bottom to Liverpool archives maybe they have more photos.
Andy
Andy
thanks do you thik there are any photos of Clive Street and does it still exist do you know?
erin :)
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There's also a picture of St James, Toxteth here http://www.stjamestoxteth.co.uk/
Districts are different, maybe they changed around the same time, so yes it will be Walton on the Hill.
mary
Thanks I love the photos they bring it all to life!!
Erin
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if you follow this link
http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl
and put Clive street in the top box,then click on the numbers,it has a photo. (the info for 1-5 seems to be the same) I don't know if its the one you're after
My a-z is old but theres only a Clive Rd in Birkenhead listed,an Olive street is mentioned in the photo archives as being nearby,and theres an Olive Vale listed in Wavertree which is only 2 a-z squares from Toxteth cemetery.Someone Local could probably tell you better!!
Andy
Orphan street is still there,was Clive street in Edge Hill?
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Go to www.streetmap.co.uk and put in Northumberland Street, an entry will be there for Liverpool 8. Toxteth.net has mention of the Lord Clive Pub but unfortunately no details or photograph for it, and this seems to have been on the corner of Northumberland and Clive Streets.
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if you follow this link
http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl
and put Clive street in the top box,then click on the numbers,it has a photo. (the info for 1-5 seems to be the same) I don't know if its the one you're after
Andy
Thanks the picture is interesting. The person I am researching lived at 13 Clive Street in 1900. She married in St Matthews Church Toxteth. Her Husband lived in Essex Street.
Erin
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I think that photo may be of the wrong Clive st,other streets named with those photos were Orphan St and Anne square,but Orphan St isn't near the Northumberland st that Mary A mentions,but Essex st is
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Andy
What a sprawling mass of streets it all was!! It's a wonder any one could find their way home !
Erin
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And it sounds as if they repeated the same Street names in every district too,just like Manchester!
I tried to find Cook St -the site of the first Rolls Royce factory-on old maps of Hulme recently and found 3 within 1/2 a mile of each other,and none of them were where I was led to believe it was!!!
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Andy
mmmm confusing it doesn't help does it?
Erin
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Hi Erin
If you are still looking for Clive Street and Essex Street, I have a link to the os old maps site
http://www.old-maps.co.uk
If you do a search for Toxteth (Lancashire), and then click on the enlarged view you will get the section of the map which has Essex Street on it. It is to the left of St Thomas Church and a block down. It runs between Park Street and Northumberland Street. Clive Street isn't mentioned on this map but it is on my paper copy of the 1905 OS map of Toxteth (lots of my relatives started life there).
Clive Street is the first road after Beaufort Street and again runs between Northumberland and Park Streets, just a block nearer the river.
On the current A-Z of Liverpool there is a small Essex Street in about the right place but no sign of Clive Street. Don't know when it was knocked down.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Ruby