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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Agnetta on Monday 30 October 06 09:05 GMT (UK)
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Would there be anyone in Co Derry who could look up if there was a David Rosborough in Derryard (near Dungiven) in 1831 census. His daughter Mary Ann who married Alexander Gibson would possibly be on 1901 census(aged c 68),but area unknown - maybe Bovevagh or Dernaflaw. Any help greatly appreciated. Agnetta
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Hello Agnetta,
There's no Census for 1831. I looked in the extracts of Griffiths Valuation for Derry which are on John Hayes website. The Valuation took place in the county in 1858-9 but David Rosborough is not listed.
Christopher.
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1831 Census for County Londonderry did survive. Sorry Agnetta, I have some of it but not for the area you need.
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Sorry about that .... I see both Audrey and Ticker posted a Link to the 1831 census for Dunboe. (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,166442.0.html)
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1831 only gives head of household, number of males & females & what religion but it is better than nothing.
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1831 only gives head of household, number of males & females & what religion but it is better than nothing.
I'm lost here. There's a guy on RootsWeb with a CD of the 1831 Census. (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NIR-DERRY/2003-03/1047173770) Funnily enough the query posted to him in March 2003 was from Betsy Harper and was about William Gibson in Carrick/Bovevagh/Drumachose and David Rosborough in Derryard. Those are the families Agnetta is querying but Agnetta's profile doen't give a connection to Betsy.
Do you have that CD, aghadowey? Apparently Betsy also had the CD (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NIR-DERRY/2003-03/1046665552) but had problems getting it to work.
Christopher
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No, Christopher, I do not have a CD. What I have is photocopies of the original pages gotten from Dublin years ago but only for Aghadowey and Agivey Parishes in County Londonderry.
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Aghadowey and Christopher - first of all Agnetta and Betsy are one and the same !(I'm old - forgive my lapses,please.I used Agnetta in memory of my mother) 2nd of all - there is a bit of 1831 census for Derry and a little bit of Tyrone,and although it only gives heads of household and number of males and females,that is enough to get on the track to look for people.I spent quite a lot of time in PRONI,in 60's when I was in NI,but at that time wasn't looking for Rosboroughs.Only started doing Harper side(his maternal side) after my husband died in 1996. My David Rosborough and a Margaret Rosborough (wife?,daughter? mother?) are in Derryard on Griffiths 1858/59,but more than that I cannot get.(never did get the cd to go) I have a feeling these Rosboroughs were in Ballymoney/Ballymena area before Derryard/Bovevagh hence my query re 1831 census for any other part of NI. On the other hand - just last week I picked up a bit of info which indicates that this man may have been JOHN DAVID, and just used the David part in every day life (as millions of them did ! Even me - I was christened Elizabeth,but my grandmother -bless her - called me Betsy,and Betsy I've been all my life - except on my passport!) So now you know,and if any of you find a David or John David Rosborough with a daughter Mary Ann(Marianne) b 1834 who m'd Alexander Gibson in Bovevagh on 9-3- 1856 send hin to me . Many thanks to both of you, for your efforts on my behalf. Agnetta/Betsy
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Agnetta,
I have done a quick look up and found a John Rosborough in the parish of Banagher(next parish to Bovevagh) and a David Roseberry in the townland of Bovevagh in the parish of Bovevagh in the 1831 census of Londonderry. Spelling in those days was as the enumerator heard the name. There is also an 1831 census for some townlands in the county of Cavan. Hope this helps.
Regards
Morrison Stewart
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Morrison Stewart - many thanks for that.At least that proves his existence in the area, and the fact that he was known as David,which is what I have been trying to do for so long.They had obviously moved to Derryard (still in the parish of Bovevagh) by the time of Mary Anns mariage.(She was married in Bovevagh Church) I know about the the myriad ways of the name spelling,but it is the same family. I don't know where you got access to the 1831 census but, again, many thanks for your help. Betsy Harper
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Dear Betsy - I see you are a Harper. Phillip Marshall from Ohio is looking for Harpers in this area. His grandmother was Eliza(beth) Harper married to John Marshall from Scriggan, Dungiven. They moved to Ballyclose street Limavady late 1800s. There was a big write-up in the Coleraine Chronicle a few weeks ago - did you see it??
Regards
Betty McNerlin (formally Elizabeth Thompson) - my lot came from Scriggan as well.
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Betty - I'm in Australia - so no -I didn't see The Coleraine Chronicle!(Wish I had) My late husband,Jim Harper, was born at Scriggan,in the Pelipar gatelodge (the one that has just been extended and done up,I believe)He lived at Ovill later. I would need to know a little more of this Eliza Harper(birth years etc) to know which Harper family she belonged to.If Philip Marshall has an e-mail address I'll gladly get in touch with him, and see what happens. Regards,Betsy Harper
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Betsy-
The Harpers in my family tree are two sisters who married two (G-G-Great) Uncles of mine. Eliabeth Harper (b. circa 1831) married John Marshall of Limavady and Sarah Harper (b. 1829) married James Marshall, also of Limavady / Coleraine area. My Great Great Grandfather was Hugh, a brother of James and John. There was also a brother William Marshall who moved to Scotland about 1857. One of John and Elizabeth's daughters was Elizabeth, who married a Thompson, and the only other daughter, Margaret/Maggie, married a Rankin. John and Elizabeth's sons were John, Thomas, William, James, Hugh, and Joseph. All remained in Limavady but one son, William, who moved to Blantyre, Scotland. William was in Blantyre in 1910 when his father John died. The four Marshall brother's mother was Mary Ann Marshall, but I have no idea of her maiden name or her husband's name as there is no mention of him whatsoever in 4 letters from Mary Ann to son Hugh in the USA dated 1856 to 1858.
I have been in contact with descendants of James, but none of John or William. We are yet unsure if Betty McNerlin and I are related, perhaps you can help? Thanks! Phil Marshall
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R.P. Marshall - On the 1831 census for Banagher area there is a James Harper with a wife,(no name)2 sons and one daughter,living at Auglish.After a lot of comparisons and calculations I figured out that the sons were about 8 and 6 years old and the daughter about 2 -( no names of course on 1831 census) Maybe this was your Sarah 1929. Since the census was taken in 1831,maybe Elizabeth was born after it was taken. The boys were James and Joseph,which is why I was working on them. As it turns out it wasn't my Joseph,so I went no further with that line. (I have a strong feeling that they ARE connected,way back,but I haven't been able to sort it out so far) My Joseph Harper,like thousands more,went to Scotland to work the harvest,married there,and had his first 2 children there and then returned to Ireland (Co Derry) and had the rest of his family,and continued to live ,and die , there. In my notes from "pencil and paper"days I have 2 other Elizabeths Elizabeth b 1830 daughter of Hugh Harper and ?? m'd John Mercer in 1854 - Limavady,and Elizabeth Harper b 1824 Daughter of Robert Harper and Letitia Heaney.She had a brother James b 1826.There was an Eliza in my line but she died at age 2 years.1868/70 There are no other Sarahs in my lines.Sorry I couldn't be more help.Good luck with your research. Betsy Harper.
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On the 1831 census for Banagher area there is a James Harper with a wife,(no name)2 sons and one daughter,living at Auglish.After a lot of comparisons and calculations I figured out that the sons were about 8 and 6 years old and the daughter about 2 -( no names of course on 1831 census)
The 1831 census does NOT say James Harper, wife, 2 sons, 1 daughter- what it probably says is James Harper (head of household) with 3 males & 2 females in household. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins, neices, nephews, etc. could be any of these males or females and you cannot assume it is a man, wife and X number of children in 1831 census.
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Aghadowey -you're right - that's precisely what it says, but with help from other bits of info on Harpers in the area, it worked out to be James,his wife,2 sons and 1 daughter.I'm sorry if I mislead anyone - I certainly didn't intend to do that. B. Harper
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Hello. I was wondering if someone would have access to the index of the 1831 census and could tell me if there are any Toners or Connells listed in Banagher or Dungiven. I'd also be interested in the names Blair and Kane in either place, although I suspect there may quite a few of them. Thank you.
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. There are managable numbers of Toners, Connells and Blairs in the two parishes but as this area was an O'Cahan (reduced to Kane) stronghold there is a large number.
Regards
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Thanks for that. I'd be more than happy receive something on the Toners, Connells and Blairs!
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Hi,
The enumerator for the Parish of Dungiven also listed the townland where each family lived.
Toners Dungiven Parish: James Cashel, Owen Magherabuoy, Thomas Magherabuoy and Widow magherabuoy.
Toner Banagher: Mary
Connell Nil for both parishes.
Blair Banagher, James, 3xJohn and Levi.
Not very enlightening but if you could be more specific we might be able to help more.
Regards
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Thank you very much for the quick response. I am working backwards from my ancestors John Connell and Sarah Toner, who had three daughters: Lucy, Mary (my ancestor) and Sarah. By 1872, the family was in Scotland. A poor law application indicated John was from Londonderry. His death certificate gave his parent's names as John Connell and Janet Kane. Sarah's death certificate listed her parents as Philip Toner and Jane Blair.
I recently located baptismal records for Lucy and Sarah. Lucy was baptized in Feeny on Oct. 23, 1848 (the sponsor was Mary Toland). Her sister Sarah was baptized in Feeny on Sept. 28, 1852 (the sponsor was Mary Anne Toner). I haven't looked at the parish records themselves, but the online index doesn't refer to Mary's baptism.
I was hoping the 1831 census would turn up something for the illusive Philip Toner or John Connell, the fathers of my ancestors, in Feeny or perhaps Dungiven, where there seemed to be more Toners. Maybe the death record was wrong, and Sarah's father was not Philip.
In any event, if you have any suggestion about where I might look next, I'd be very grateful.
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Hi,
I am sorry but I have been unable to locate any of your names in the locality of Dungiven or Banagher. Civil registration of Catholic marriages and births did not start until 1864 so you have to depend on church records where they exist. I double checked the 1831 Census Index and also looked at the 1858 Griffith's Valuation to no avail.
Regards
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Thank you for the effort. One of these days, I hope to look at the parish registers for Dungiven and Feeny, to see if some of the names turn up as sponsors or witnesses. Philip Toner doesn't appear to be a very common name - which makes me wonder whether the father's name wasn't Philip. If it was, perhaps he came to the Feeny/Dungiven area from somewhere else. Thanks, again, for your help.