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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Dav on Sunday 29 October 06 22:39 GMT (UK)
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Hello is anyone researching the Churley families from the Culmstock and Uffculme areas from around the 1650s to the 1760s there seems to be quite a few of them and I am having a devil of a time ( but also a lot of fun ) in sorting them all out.
Thanks Dav
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Hi Dav, I have been researching a Jane Baker 1807 Culmstock who married a Richard Quick in Tiverton in 1797. I have found who I believe to be Jane's parents and they are an Elizabeth Churly 1799 Uffculme, who married a Robert Baker in Culmstock in 1799. This led me to Elizabeth's parents being Henry Churly 1738 Uffculme and Mary ?. All this has yet to be confirmed one way or the other, but I am wondering if this ties in with your Churly's of Uffculme in any way?
Regards :D
Jacky
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Hello Jacky
sorry in taking so long in replying
the Henry Churley you mention may be related to my Churley's but it would be very distant.
It seems your Henry Churley b 1738 is the son of George Churley and Mary Farr ( George and Mary were first cousins ) George Churley was born around 1712 and he was the son of Grace Churley, but I don't know who his father was, except that he was a Churley also.
Grace Churley was b around 1690 and died sometime before 1741 she was the daughter of a Nicholas Churley who would have been born about 1660 and died in 1741 or there abouts.
This Nicholas had 2 dau namely Grace and Elizabeth both dec by 1741, I don't know if he had any sons, if he did they must have died young before they could get married, as Nicholas only makes provisions for his grandchildren ( children of his 2 deceased daughters ) in his will written in 1741.
Grace as I said married a Churley ( possibly a George but this purely Guess work ) and had 5 children that I know namely George, Nicholas, Urial, Joan and Grace ( not necessarily in right order.
Elizabeth married John Farr and had Mary, Nicholas, John and a Grace ( also not necessarily in right order )
Of Grace Churley's Children George married Mary Farr, Nicholas Married Ann Clarke and died about 1746, Urial seemed to be unmarried and died about 1749, Joan married Edward Hitchcocke and was deceased by 1749 and Grace was spinster and she died about 1755.
In her will she mentions Edward Hitchcocke who she described as her brother in law and Edward Manley ( my ancestor ) as a kinsman, which I believe means related but distant maybe a second cousin or something.
Edward Manley was born 1722 at Hemyock and was a younger child or Robert Manley and a Joan Churley who would have been born sometime in the late 1670s or early 1680s her and Robert Manley married in 1700 she was described as being from Uffculme.
She was the dau of a Henry Churley who died sometime between 1728 and 1741, I am not sure if was related to Nicholas Churley, but he may have been related even if it was by marriage only.
There also John Churley living in the area also of the same vintage as Henry and Nicholas, John had son called Urial who married Henry's dau Patience, also a George Churley runniing around at the same time to add to the confusion.
In fact the names George, Nicholas and Urial ( Grace and Joan for the girls ) seem very common names amongst the Churley's/Churly's throw in some Henry's and John's for good measure.
If you google "Nicholas Churly" you will find an artical written by Clement Cawthorne? on the Churley's of the Uffculme area there are some mistakes but I think this was done over 30 years ago and he may not have had access to all the info that is around today, but it is well worth reading and has a lot of good info.
Hope I haven't rambled on too long
Dav
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Hello Dav, thank you so much for all the info. The Churleys do seem a complicated lot and I will have to spend time trying to work them all out. You really have done some excellent research, and I am most grateful for the info. I didn't realise there were so many Churleys in Uffculme :o
Regards
Jacky
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hello Dav
In your message you say you are related to Edward Manley (b 1722 Hemyock).
I too have many ancesters in Hemyock.
Would your Edward be an ancester of John Manley who married Betty Clist 25th June,1794 in Hemyock and had about 11 children all born Hemyock?
please let me know!!
Jane
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Hi Dav
I have Edward Manley son of Edward married to Joan Churley in Hemyock in 1742
they had 3 children Edward b 1745 Uffculme, Joan b1746 and I believe Henry Churley Manley.
Joan was married to Thomas Darch in Taunton 1761 - whose daughter married Jonathan Hall
I am trying to tie these Manleys in with Robert Manley who married Sarah Hall in Taunton about 1750 and with earlier connections to Jonathan and Samuel Hall. I am intrigued by your earlier marriage of a Robert Manley and Joan Churley and wonder if you can give me any more details
Many Thanks
Mike
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Hi Dav
Sorry but I have now found Edward Manleys will - he died 1784 and although he had a wife and daughter both Joan, this I now know is not the Joan that married Thomas Darch in 1761. I do suspect though that the Joan I am looking for is a relative of his and likely to be one of his brothers daughters - Edward had a nephew James a surgeon in Taunton and it might be him that is mentioned in some of our other deeds Do you know of any of Edwards siblings by any chance?
Thanks Mike
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Hi Mike sorry for taking so long in getting back to you.
The Robert Manley who married Sarah Hall was the eldest son of Henry Manley and Joan Gervis, Henry Manley was an elder Brother to Edward Manley (nearly 18 years older ).
Henry Manley had that I know of namely
1. Ann bap 14/02/1726 bur 01/11/1798 unmarried
2. Robert bap 22/11/1727 d circa 1761
3. Henry bap 22/05/1729 d pre 1775
4. Rev William bap 20/05/1731 bur 04/01/1775
5. Mary bap 23/11/1732
6. James bap 08/07/1734 bur 18/10/1797
7. Elizabeth b circa 1736 bur 08/04/1766 unmarried
8. Joan b circa 1738 bur
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Hi Mike sorry for taking so long in getting back to you.
The Robert Manley who married Sarah Hall was the eldest son of Henry Manley and Joan Gervis, Henry Manley was an elder Brother to Edward Manley (nearly 18 years older ).
Henry Manley had eight children that I know of namely
1. Ann bap 14/02/1726 bur 01/11/1798 unmarried
2. Robert bap 22/11/1727 d circa 1761
3. Henry bap 22/05/1729 d pre 1775
4. Rev William bap 20/05/1731 bur 04/01/1775
5. Mary bap 23/11/1732
6. James bap 08/07/1734 bur 18/10/1797
7. Elizabeth b circa 1736 bur 08/04/1766 unmarried
8. Joan b circa 1738 bur
Henry Manley's younger dau Joan married Thomas Darch in 1761 he was Lieut- Col in the Somerset Militia.
I think they went to the USA in the late 1700s or early 1800s
Robert Manley married Sarah Hall in 1751 and had least two children that I know of namely Robert who died young and Sarah who married a Richard Strong in 1773.
Edward Manley married Joan Churley in 1742 and had five children that I know of namely
1. Rev Henry Churley bap 07/03/1743 d 07/02/1819
2. Edward bap 19/07/1745 d 1780
3. Joan bap 15/03/1746 d 1812
4. Mary bap 14/05/1749 bur 09/05/1750
5. Elizabeth bap 10/06/1755 bur 12/06/1822
Edward Manley's daughter Joan married a Thomas Gore a Surgeon about 1771.
I hope this is of some help to you, let me know if I can be of further help.
Dav
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Many thanks Dav that is very useful
Do you by any chance have any of the earlier Manleys or close relatives marrying into any of the Siderfin, Hole, Pearse, Jeanes, Halliday Wellman or Wyatt familes - if you do that might just about complete a big missing piece of my jigsaw
Cheers
Mike
(Thomas Darch did in fact follow his wife and some of his children to Philadelphia where he died in 1799 - it looks as though he lost most of his immense wealth after the French War and sent them on ahead of him where his wife established quite a good business for her and the children - more details available should you want them - Joan died after him )
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Hi - we're conducting a one-named-study into the Siderfin's and known that there was at least one marriage between the Siderfin and Darch family - it this your connection to them?
We can be contacted via this site or via www.siderfin.co.uk
Regards Mark Siderfin and Sue
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Hi Mike
sorry in taking so long in getting back to you, I have not come across any of the names that your have mentioned except for Pearse, but they come in at a latter time, Edward Manley the son of Edward Manley and Joan Churley married a Ann Perry Pearse who was born about 1750 I think she was from Sidbury and that she was the dau of a John Pearse, after Edward died she remarried a Joseph Cook in 1786 at Honiton she died 20/06/1823.
The other Pearse was Sarah Pearse ( my 4 great Grandmother ) was from Sidbury and was b in 1779 she died at Sidbury and was buried there on the 15/02/1843 she was married to Robert Manley son of Henry Churley Manley.
As I said in my earlier reply Henry Manley who married Joan Gervis and the Edward Manley who married Joan Churley were brothers.
They were the sons of Robert Manley and Joan Churley this was a large family of 12 children the family as far as I know looked something like this
Robert Manley of Hemyock married 16/08/1700 at Uffculme to Joan Churley
bap 18/03/1670/1 at Hemyock
bur 14/04/1747 at Hemyock bur 04/01/1759
occupation Yeoman and Gentleman of Windsor Farm
son of Robert Manley and Dorothy Manley
1. Robert bap 22/12/1701 bur 22/05/1741
2. Henry bap 05/01/1704 bur 01/05/1775
3. Nicholas bap 12/06/1706 bur 21/05/1784
4. Dorothy bap 29/07/1708
5. Elizabeth bap 06/05/1711 d young
6. William bap 21/06/1712 bur 18/12/1740
7. Elizabeth bap 28/08/1714
8. Joan bap 28/08/1714 bur 03/09/1749 unmarried
9. Patience bap 16/10/1717 bur 30/11/1759
10. Edward bap 09/09/1721 bur 11/03/1785
11. Eleanor bap 04/08/1724
12. Mary bap 29/12/1727 bur 22/02/1794
Dorothy married 07/01/1744 to Thomas Osmund
Elizabeth married 14/02/1740 at St Mary Magdelene Taunton Somerset to Leonard Tratt or Trott
Patience married Jonathon Waldron
Eleanor married 01/09/1760 William Churchill
Henry and Edward were the only sons of this family to marry.
I must admit I was not aware of a Robert Manley being a Mayor of Taunton and I would be very interested knowing a bit more of what became of Thomas Darch and his family once they went to Philadelphia.
once again in taking so long to reply
regards
Dav
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Hi Dav, thanks for all of that
you can check out quite a bit of detail on Darch in philadephia on google book link
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7TSs-hmJYYIC&pg=PA8&dq=bretton+darch+philadelphia&hl=en&ei=fR4XTs73BYeyhAeNlenMBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
My interest in the Halls starts with Richard Clarke of Bridwell in your area and after he died his wife Mary married Samuel Hall a non conformist minister from Tiverton whose son Jonathan Hall married Mary Darch . A Hall friend in the USA is chasing down his family who arrived in Taunton in the late 1600's marrying into the Wyndham family and subsequently one of his sons, Benjamin Hall was mayor of Taunton in 1752 and one of his family Sarah married Robert Manley. With all the inter connections we are fairly sure that this Robert was mayor of Taunton in 1760 but cannot yet be certain its one and the same. We are also trying to chase down where John Hall, father of Benjamin came from before marrying Beata Wyndham. A Elizabeth Pearse was widow of Weeks Hole of Sidbury area .A Hole earlier had a grandson Phillip Darch and is linked in deeds at Woolavington - thats the one I myself am after! I havent yet worked out exactly who he married in the Darch clan to make him grandad! Later one of the Pearse's married a Lethbridge and lots of the Darch lands went awol after Thomas fled to America. Im awaiting copies of court records at Kew to see if they will throw any light on the rest of the family. These properties ended up with Richard Hall Clarke who eventually sold them to another Hole after they had been contested for several generations! That particular Darch line had many vicars and is now extinct in the UK through lack of male heirs - with a remote possibility of the family surviving in America through one of his sons.
If you can let me have an email address I can send you quite a file on the Philadelpia lot - too big to copy here
Thanks again
Mike