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Title: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 27 October 06 14:43 BST (UK)
Hi to all Sussex Researchers

I will be spending a day at the East Sussex Record Office in the Maltings, Lewes,  on Thursday 23rd November especially to look up Rootschatters queries.  (I personally do not have any ancestors in Sussex)

If there is anything I can look up for you, please post the details on this thread.

I would prefer Parish Register entries, Sussex Directory enquiries, Monumental Inscriptions, etc, because I am not booking a film or fiche reader, so will not be able to look at filmed archives.

Looking forward to having a busy day

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Friday 27 October 06 21:19 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

I would like to take advantage of your offer again to look in the Sussex Record Office if you can manage it.

You tried once before but the papers I'm after are kept off site and they require about 10 days advance notice to get them in to view. I understand from this they are acutal papers, not films. Any chance this time?

"Archive of Burtenshaw and Son of Hailsham, Auctioneers and Valuers"
Catalogue ref : BUR
Administrative Records
Auction and valuation books - ref, BUR/2/1
File - Auction Book - ref.BUR/2/1/10 date Nov 1850-Sep1851
page211. Berwick:farming live and dead stock (Stace) 1851

also

in the same catalogue
File - Auction Book - ref BUR2/1/19 date Dec 1852 Jun 1853
page116, Berwick, Blacksmith's Shop: wheelwright's and blacksmith's shops (late White) 1853

I don't imagine there will be much to each one, and hopefully it would not be too time consuming.  You have been a tremdous help in the past and I do appreciate your willingness to search.

Best regards,
kiwi.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 27 October 06 21:40 BST (UK)
Hi Kiwi

Yes, this time I will book them well in advance to make sure they are on site on the day of my visit.

Please do not be afraid to give me a friendly nudge, say 14 days prior to my visit, just to make sure I have booked them

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: coombs on Friday 27 October 06 22:27 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Further to my post on the Lookup requests thread, could you see if they have any Brighton Directories for 1861 to 1864 for Thomas Roberts at either West Hill Street or Viaduct Terrace. I did look at that 1866 one on the Historical Directories website but he wasnt at those addresses but would be very grateful if you could look him up on those years I mentioned please.

Thanks

Ben
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 27 October 06 22:37 BST (UK)
Hi Ben

Have just printed off your enquiry and added it to my ESRO folder for 23rd Nov.

Will see if I can find any directories for 1861 / 1864.

Other than that, will see if there are any electoral registers for the same period

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Dave Francis on Friday 27 October 06 23:31 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Many thanks for your kind offer!

Two requests if I may....

RG 4/2620
Mayfield (Wesleyan Circuit) Baptisms
1808-1825

RG 4/2219
Mayfield (Calvinist) Baptisms
1767-1835

The original documents are of course held at TNA. If ESRO have microfilm copies could you see there's an entry for a James Blackman c1815 (+/- 2 years). I'm hoping that the parents are John and Sarah Blackman. (If there's an index, I'd be grateful for any other Blackman names from around 1808 to 1818.)

The second request is a little imprecise...

I have the birth cert for a James Blackman (aka James Russell) who was born in the Mayfield Almshouse on 13 January 1840. He was the illegit. son of the above James Blackman and Philadelphia Russell. (Baptised at St Dunstans on 15 March 1840 under his mother's maiden name.) In view of his birthplace and his illegitimacy, I'd be interested in any other relevant records - eg. Philadelphia's admission to the Almshouse or any maintenance order granted against James snr. Sorry this is a bit vague, but I'm not sure what sort of records exist.

Thanks in advance,

Dave
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Oz Kim on Saturday 28 October 06 02:53 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

     I have a few requests for the one family I hope this isn't too much.

      Birth's -  Children of Thomas BLUNDELL & Elizabeth Turley

William BLUNDELL c Jun 1820 Salehurst/Bodiam
Thomas BLUNDELL c Jun 1824 Salehurst/Bodiam
Henry BLUNDELL c 1826 Salehurst/Bodiam

       Birth Elizabeth TURLEY c 1801, Father George TURLEY

       Birth Elizabeth BEANEY c 1758

       Death Stephen BLUNDELL after 1838 ( Son Thomas's immigration records in 1838 state father Stephen BLUNDELL living in Bodiam, he would have been about 83 yrs at this time, but is not recorded in 1841 census so death probably between 1838 - 1841)

        Death Elizabeth BLUNDELL ( Thomas's mother not named on his immigration records so died before 1838, not to be confused with the death of Thomas's wife Elizabeth in Dec 1834)

        Marriage William BLUNDELL to Rachel ? before July 1755

  This family seemed to remain around the Salehurst/ Bodiam areas.

       I hope this isn't too much

               I would appreciate anything you can find

                                                     Oz Kim
                   
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: ellvera on Saturday 28 October 06 07:45 BST (UK)
Hi Chris
You have already looked for  this marriage for me in the sussex marriage index, with no luck.
Francis Baseby of Brede to Mary ?? of Catsfield around 1809ish
Would there be any chance of a quick look in the Catsfield parish registers for banns,since Mary was born there? slim chance,I know.
Thanks
Barbara
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 October 06 10:07 BST (UK)
Barbara, Oz Kim and Dave

Have just printed off your enquiries and added it to my ESRO folder for 23rd Nov.

Will see what I can dig up.

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 October 06 10:35 BST (UK)
Dave

Just had a look at the holdings in the ESRO - looks like the records that you require have not been deposited as they seem to start in 1907 for Mayfield

United Reformed Churches (Congregational): Alfriston from 1801; Boreham Street 1897-1946; Brighton and Hove, Clifton Road 1864-1927, Cliftonville from 1863, London Road 1846-1943, Queen Square 1856-98, Union Church 1898-1964, Union Street 1699-1898; Burwash 1766-1968; Eastbourne, Pevensey Road 1861-1973, Upperton Road from 1885; Hastings and St Leonards and East Sussex Auxiliaries (London Missionary Society) 1888-1908; Heathfield Independent 1814-1946; Herstmonceux 1811-1975; Lewes, the Tabernacle from 1816; Mayfield 1907-1983; Sussex Congregational Unions and Missionary Society: Eastern District 1890-1972; Sussex Home Mission Society 1922 (NC)

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Dave Francis on Saturday 28 October 06 10:47 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Thanks for that - I had a horrible feeling that ESRO might not have microfilm copies.  Ho hum.  Suppose I'll have to visit TNA now.  :)

Still interested in any additional info regarding James Blackman (b1840). I have his birth and christening details but it's possible there's more information about his illegitimacy in Mayfield PR (particularly as he was born in the Almshouse). Any thoughts?

Dave
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 October 06 10:51 BST (UK)
Dave

Well, not sure at the moment - but will have a good look through any records concerning Mayfield - just in case I spot something against the name Blackman

Got to keep our fingers crossed

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kerryb on Saturday 28 October 06 11:07 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

I wonder if you could have a look for the following in Burwash PR

Celia Weston baptised 26 July 1806 (according to IGI member submission) mother Anne Weston.  I would like confirmation please if possible and check that there isn't a father mentioned.  This will solve something which has been puzzling me for a while.

Thanks  ;D ;D ;D

Kerry
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 28 October 06 14:04 BST (UK)
Hi Kerry

Hope your holiday on the Isle of Wight went OK

Have made a note of your requirements for 23rd November

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kerryb on Saturday 28 October 06 14:08 BST (UK)
Thanks Chris 

The two surnames are so interwoven, as it were, in Burwash it has been hard to track her down.

Holiday very nice, had some lovely weather, and some not so lovely weather.  Highlight - falling and twisting my ankle!!!  I keep telling Pete (partner) exercise is bad for me - we were on a walk ::) ::) ::)

Kerry
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: mnmilt on Saturday 28 October 06 16:41 BST (UK)
Chris,
Many thanks for the offer of help.  If possible, please can you help me find more information regarding Richard Sinnock of Hastings and Battle.  He lived from 1740-1822 and was one of the founders of the Croft Chapel and Zion Chapel.  His memoirs are deposited at ESRO.

AMS5876 Memoir of Richard Sinnock of Hastings, London, Guildford and Battle, nonconformist shoemaker, 1762-1822

I'd like to learn who his parents and wife were so that I can link hiim to my tree.  I think that his wife was Mary Williams.

Regards

Mark
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 29 October 06 13:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Mark

Nice to hear from you again

Have cut and pasted your query into the ESRO file on my laptop ready for the 23rd

Keep fingers crossed

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: daz68 on Monday 30 October 06 07:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris.

Many, many thanks for your very kind offer.

What I would like to know is the birth details for two people:

1.   Mary Allchin in West Firle
2.   George Stace in Arlington or West Firle

I have their marriage details, which show where these two were born but not when, although I am expecting they were born around 1775ish.

Location: Arlington, East Sussex, 
Date: 24th Mar 1796:
Groom: George STACE, of this parish
Bride: Mary ALLCHIN, West Firle
Married by Licence

Not sure how much else I can ask of you but if you could check for the parents and any brothers and sisters of George Stace in Arlington or West Firle that would be brilliant, at this stage I have no idea if these two Parishes are STACE strongholds but by the 1841 Census there are almost none living in these Parishes.

Many many thanks.
Darren
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 30 October 06 08:54 GMT (UK)
Hi daz68

Your lookup request has been copied and printed and in the folder ready for the 23rd.

Will see what I can find out for you

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: outlaw on Monday 30 October 06 09:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

thank you for a great offer :D

i have two birth look up requests,trying to find the parents of

1. john westgate  born 1827 Lewes or Arlington

2. Rosetta  roser  1828/1829 lindfield.

i hope this is enough info for you

best wishes
Paula
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: rogerofgoostrey on Monday 30 October 06 10:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

How are you, mate?   It's a while since we met up down in Hastings and I haven't used the Sussex boards much since then because much of my family history research has been recently concentrated on my Staffordshire ancestors.

Thanks for your kind offer to do look ups at ESRO

I hope that you can help me to sort a few problems  identified with my Sussex ancestors.

1. I am looking for the baptism of Mary Gutsell. Probably this took place between 1748 and 1758 at Sedlescombe but could have occurred at Brede or Ewhurst.

2. I have somehow got two baptisms for James Manser Thorpe.  The first is a private baptism at Fairlight on 09 May 1824 and the second is also at Fairlight on 18 September 1831 (James's parents are William amd Ruth).  I think that the first baptism is correct since it corresponds with the months following the birth. Who was baptised at Fairlight on  18 September 1831?

3. James Manser married Harriet Wilson in 1846 and I have two daughters both called Alice.  The first is called Alice Louise is thought to be born at Fairlight about March 1863. The second is Alice Matilda baptised at Fairlight 23 August 1868. Are these both their children?  If so presumably the first one died young so is their a burial?

I hope that you can help.

Thanks in advance.

Roger
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 October 06 10:32 GMT (UK)
Chris - what a very generous offer.

If it's at all possible, I'd be most grateful for any information on a school run by a Frenchman named Henri Etienne Janson (b. abt 1801, died 1878) in Hove from at least 1851, possibly earlier, until the 1870s.  I'd be interested in the name of the school (if any), dates, numbers of pupils or indeed anything else about Professor Janson and his school.  Census details show that he and his family were at the following addresses in Hove:

1851:   9 Adelaide Crescent
1861: 106 Lansdowne Place
1871: 65 Hova Villas

There were boy boarders with the family at these addresses, but I haven't been able to find out whether the school was based at the successive Janson family homes or whether they simply accommodated a few of the boarders.

Prof. Janson's wife was a relative of mine, and many members of the family (including my great-great-grandfather) were educated at this school.

Many thanks in advance

Anna

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: susie956 on Tuesday 31 October 06 01:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,
Not sure if Mountfield is East Sussex but if it is I am looking for fir the birth details of William Butchers born abt 1825 (and any siblings).
I have his marriage cert and his father was William Butchers.
He is not with his parents in 1841 census and the only other William that could be his father is with wife Ann.  Would love to link these up.  Thank you for your time and effort. 

Sue
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: mnmilt on Tuesday 31 October 06 03:19 GMT (UK)
Chris,
I have another couple of requests if I may.

Mountfield Parish Registers.
Looking for John Sellens, b abt 1791.

Alfriston Parish Records
Looking for William Verrall, b abt 1804.

Regards

mark
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: L on Wednesday 01 November 06 15:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Could you possibly confirm a baptism for a Stephen Catt in Ewhurst about 1629 please. Also, and I am not sure what early registers are available for Ewhurst, whether there are any Catt/Catte burials in this parish between about 1610 and 1630? I hope that this is not too much to ask, but I would be very grateful for your help.

Best wishes,
Lesley
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 01 November 06 16:29 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Outlaw
No problem, will try to find your ancestors

Rogerof goosetrey
Roger, how the devil are you - long time no speak. 
Will do what I can to sort things out for you - No problems (I hope)

Avm228
This looks like a difficult one, so will try to get the others out of the way first and leave it till the end of the day so that I can spend more time on it.

Susie956
On the face of it, this does not look to hard

mnmilt
Have added this to your list

L
Will try to confirm your baptism and look up your very early CATT ancestors

All lookup requests have been copied into my ESRO folder on my laptop ready for the 23rd

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: outlaw on Wednesday 01 November 06 22:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

just wondering if i could be cheeky and ask for another look up,if you have time on the day.

looking for the parents of
Martha miller born abt 1812 Brighton
she married William bignell 5 dec 1830 st Nicholas Brighton(don't know if parents where listed in 1830)

thank you
Paula
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jard on Thursday 02 November 06 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris
May I take you up on your offer please.

I'm looking for birth details of a Richard Ticehurst  b (I think)  18/7/1786 or 1783
or
James Ticehurst b 1779
or
Samuel Ticehurst b 1786
or
Barbara Ticehurst b 1781

All were born in Eastbourne, possibly St Mary's. and are from the same family.

I am trying to establish their parents. I have found a couple of names from the LDS site ( James Ticehurst and Abigail Pierce) but cannot find any evidence of a married or union for these two, or that they even existed.
I am not sure whether E.Sussex records office will have anything on these dates, but if so, I would appreciate any info you find

Thanks
Jard
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jann on Thursday 02 November 06 13:29 GMT (UK)
Hello and Thank you for the offer.  I am not familiar with the document holdings in the records office but hope these are appropriate.  I am looking for:

1)  The parents of Elizabeth Ticehurst, born in Catsfield 1804-1805.

2)   Parents of Joseph Beavis b. 1781 in Bexhill

3) Parents of Mary Southouse born 1782-83 - possibly in Bexhill.

Thanks so much.

Jann
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 02 November 06 14:57 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Outlaw
It has been added to the list of lookups

Jard
The ESRO should have those entries for those dates as according to their catalogue, the registers have been deposited.

Jann
That should be no problem - fingers crossed

All lookup requests have been copied into my ESRO folder on my laptop ready for the 23rd


Chris in 1066


Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jann on Friday 03 November 06 14:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Hi Christ

Two more requests, not too complicated.  Let me know if I am imposing.

Per the IGI:

1)  Thomas Towner m. Frances Stevens on 29 May 1774 in Seaford.  Does the pr give any additional information?


2)  Jane Heasman was christened Oct. 20, 1782 in Barcombe.  Her parents where Henry Heasman and Elizabeth.  Any additional information? 


Thanks again for your help.

Jann

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kesannah on Friday 03 November 06 15:35 GMT (UK)
I would be very pleased to take up your request. 

I am hoping to find the marriage of JOHN HIDE (HYDE) to SUSANNAH. ABOUT 1713 (MAYBE BEFORE OR AFTER) in SEAFORD SUSSEX.  They are the parents of THOMAS b1715 and twins SUSANNAH AND ELIZABETH born 1729.

Also if you would have time the Bapstism of JOHN which I estimate 1690-1695.  any additional informating.  Many thanks. Kesannah
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 03 November 06 17:11 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Jann

Have you promoted me ?

Hi Chris,

Hi Christ

Two more requests, ........


Added them to your previous enquiry

Kesannah

Your enquiry has been copied to the folder on my laptop

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jann on Saturday 04 November 06 16:25 GMT (UK)
Chris,

I thought your kind offer deserved a promotion, and if you can find the answers to may questions, I will arrange to have your salary is increased as well!!!

Jann
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 04 November 06 17:26 GMT (UK)
Jann

find the answers to may questions, I will arrange to have your salary is increased as well!!!

Wow, it will go from nothing to nothing +  :'(

Fantastic incentive to try harder  >:(

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: davidpinkney on Saturday 04 November 06 17:43 GMT (UK)
Much appreciated your offer Chris.

could you possibly look for the following.

Jane Barnes was born in Bexhill c.1807 and she married John Dann 6/12/1839 in Brede
Jane had one son illegitimately, Samuel John Barnes c.1835 Brede and then another after marriage, Elias Dann c.1842 in Brede (baptised 25/9/1842, Brede)

I'm really looking for a baptism of Samuel and possibly a baptism of Jane to find her parents names?

Many thanks

David
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 04 November 06 22:58 GMT (UK)
David

Contents of your query noted and transferred to the laptop.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: G.Page15 on Sunday 05 November 06 10:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris.
If time is available would you please look up a Sarah Ann Page death,I know she was alive 1918 (death of her mother) I have been unable to locate in b,d,& m.She was born Oct.1875.Many thanks
George Page15.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 05 November 06 11:09 GMT (UK)
Hi George Page15

Your lookup request seems to be a very hit and miss affair; like looking for a needle in a haystack.

You do not state where in Sussex she may have died, or even if she died in Sussex.  Where did her mother die in 1918.

From past experience of the record office, records for the 20th century are few and far between.

Will add it to the list, but this one could be very time consuming and will have to wait till I have completed all of the others.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: G.Page15 on Sunday 05 November 06 16:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris.
Sorry to be awkward.Sarah Ann Page was born in Lewes,and her mother was interred in St.John's sub Castro 1918.she was in Lewes 1901 census but there I have lost her.hope this helps a bit.But as said in my first message if time allow.Wishing you all the best.
George Page15.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 05 November 06 17:33 GMT (UK)
Hi George

Well, what can I say

I spent over two years surveying, transcribing and photographing all the stones in St John Sub Castro Churchyard.

I also transcribed both the Burial Registers and the Baptism Registers for that church and there are some 30+ burials for page including

Burial - 1918 January 21, Page Sarah Ann, f, of 28 Valence Rd, Lewes, aged 77years.

can I help your research by looking for any other named pages in either register ?

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 05 November 06 17:44 GMT (UK)
Hi again George

Here are the siblings of Sara Ann, all baptized in St John Sub Castro

1865 Aug   6, Page George Henry, m, son of Samuel & Sarah Ann of this Parish, Carman
1867 Jun   30, Page Martha Louisa, f, d of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Carman
1869 Mch   28, Page William Edward, m, s of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Spring Gdns, Carman
1871 Apr 2, Page Samuel, m, s of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Railway Carrier
1873 May 4, Page Hannah Mary, f, d of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Carman
1875 Oct   3, Page Sarah Ann, f, d of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Carman
1878 Apr 7, Page Alfred, m, s of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Carman
1880 Mch 7, Page Harry, m, s of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Carman
1882 Aug   6, Page Stephen, m, son of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Carman
1885 Nov   1, Page Charlotte Elizabeth, f, d of Samuel & Sarah Ann, North St, Carman

Hope they are of help to you

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kesannah on Monday 06 November 06 16:47 GMT (UK)
Hello Chris. I posted a request for a look-up of a marriage. You have since replied and as that marriage appears not to have taken place in Sussex I assume you will cancel that request. However I do have a marriage of THOMAS HIDE/HYDE to SARAH ??  1732 if you could possible look for that I would appreciate it. Thankyou Kesannah.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kerryb on Monday 06 November 06 16:50 GMT (UK)
Sorry Chris/Kesannah

Can I butt in here?

Thomas Hyde married Sarah Page on 27 December 1732 at Hastings All Saints.

I had the SMi in the computer!  ::)

Kerry  :)
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kesannah on Monday 06 November 06 17:03 GMT (UK)
 Kerry, Thankyou so very much. That confirms info I had. Just need to find his parents marriage (wherever it took place) now and that will take me back a generation. Looks as if I shall now have to look beyond Sussex for them.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: nashua on Monday 06 November 06 17:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I would like to accept your generous offer for a look up if I am not too late.

Some time ago kind rootschatters found a marriage for me for Thomas Walker and Sarah Raper, who I believed were the parents of my GG grandmother Frances Walker. The marriage was on 7/3/1835 in Etchingham, and the licence was granted on 6/3/1835 in the Archdeaconry of Lewes  -  SRS26. Against Sarahs name the index said otsp ( no father, mother or guardian.

I have the family together in 1851 & 1841 and later have Frances marriage in Wilts, but now I have finally been able to get a copy of Frances birth cert ( reg as Fanny to confuse me ) it shows her mother as Ann Walker nee Raper. All other details match.

Its possible Sarah was Sarah Ann or Ann Sarah, but all records I have show her as Sarah, so I was hoping that there may be some additional info on the licence to help resolve it. Sarah was born Rochford Essex, and I have also requested a baptism look up on the Essex board but no results yet.

Hope its not too much trouble

Nashua
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: G.Page15 on Monday 06 November 06 17:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris.
Many thanks for the Baptisms of the Pages,I do have some of them so can now collate them into my tree.Wishing you all the best for your stint at the R.Office.There are only two of the family that I can't get a death date.Sarah Ann and Hannah Mary Page so if you happen to find them I would much oblighed.
All the very best.
George Page 15.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 06 November 06 17:58 GMT (UK)
Hi George

Had a quick look at the Burial Register and niether Sarah Ann or Hannah appear in it at St John Sub Castro.

Did you know that there is a memorial stone in Sub Castro to some of the children of Samuel & Sarah Ann, Do you have details of it and / or a photograph.

Will provide you with details if required

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: G.Page15 on Monday 06 November 06 18:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris.
What can I say,the speed in which you have replied.Yes I would love to have the info including photo's,but could you please reply to my e-mail e-mail address removed to prevent spamming - Global Moderator  I would be very pleased
Again wishing you all the very best.
Regards.
George Page15.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 06 November 06 18:21 GMT (UK)
George

Have replied on a seperate thread on the Sussex Board.

Page in Sub Castro, Lewes

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: SuzyWoo on Wednesday 08 November 06 10:35 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I have searched on the GRO indexes for the following marriage with no luck.

I would be grateful if you could look it up in the parish registers during your forthcoming trip.

Marriage took place between 1867 and 1870 in either Friston or Uckfield, although pretty sure it would be Friston.

Groom: William (Willie) Simmons
Bride: Elizabeth Cooley
Brides Father: James Cooley

Many Thanks

SuzyWoo

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: moon on Thursday 09 November 06 15:26 GMT (UK)
hi, Chris,
i am also interested in the info. about William Verrall 1804 Alfriston please, thanks!

Jennifer (Mark and i are in contact)
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: oldcrone on Thursday 09 November 06 15:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris  :)

If you have time  (???), I would be grateful if you could look up the birth register for ALBERT GEORGE BOYS born in Alciston in 1872.

I'm interested in checking who his parents were if poss.

Many thanks for your kind offer!

Clara   :)
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Thursday 09 November 06 20:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Just a gentle reminder, as suggested, do you have the Burtenshaw Papers ordered for your trip on the 23rd?

Looks as though it is going to be full on for the day for you!

Regards,
kiwi
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 21 November 06 08:55 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Nashua, Suzywoo, Moon and Oldcrone

Have copied your lookup requests on to my laptop ready for thursday

Fingers crossed

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: nashua on Tuesday 21 November 06 08:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you Chris, its very kind of you to give up a day of your time for fellow Rootschatters. If ever you need anything in Bristol Record Office just let me know.
 :)

Nashua

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 21 November 06 09:02 GMT (UK)
Kiwi

Desk space booked, Laptop socket ordered, Burtenshaw papers requested (am told that they will be available)  so all looks OK for Thursday.
Exactly what information are you looking for from those documents? as I dont want to write down everything and then find you did not require it


It seems like I will have a busy day with 22 queries to look up and try to answer

Fingers crossed

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Tuesday 21 November 06 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I'm trying to put 'meat on the bones'  for John Stace who was a wheelwright in Berwick village.  He left with all his family in 1850, but I see from the Burtenshaw papers (p116.)that the wheelwrights shop was up for sale again in 1853 (late White) so am hoping for a description of the shop, house ,implements etc, as John did not seem to bring anything along those lines to NZ, he never practiced the business of the wheelwright professionally in NZ.  I imagine he sold the business as a going concern, lock, stock and barrell as it appears to have been done again in 1853.

The other reference (page 211) is for 1851 farming stock, dead and alive. The dead stock will refer to farm implements ( not animals!) This refers I think to one of Johns brother who remained in the UK, so anything descripitive would be interesting.

There might not be much there, but I hope so, and hope it will be interesting for you, not too boring, as you have been kind enough to look for me.

Regards,
kiwi
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 22 November 06 23:32 GMT (UK)
Hi all

Any more last lookup requests before I go to the East Sussex Record Office

I have 22 at the moment, but I will check this thread before I leave at 8.30am tomorrow morning; just in case any last "lookups" have been posted

All being well, watch this space tomorrow evening

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Dave Francis on Wednesday 22 November 06 23:38 GMT (UK)
Chris

At the risk of being cheeky ...

The following entry on the IGI is an unsourced member submission. Could you please verify and provide any additional info?

John BLACKMAN m. Sarah BISHOP
7 June 1810 in Waldron


Many thanks in advance - and have an enjoyable day!

Dave
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 17:25 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Have just returned safely from my stint at the East Sussex Record Office.

Arrived there at 10.00am this morning and slowly worked myway through the 22 lookup requests by which time it was 4.00 - yep, I had not left the research room for any reason neither for food, drink or the toilet.  You get far to absorbed in what you are doing.

So I am now going to have a drink and my evening meal before I start posting the replies to your queries.

Watch this space this evening.

Chris in 1066

PS: Kiwi - you are in for a real treat
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I'm trying to put 'meat on the bones' for John Stace who was a wheelwright in Berwick village. He left with all his family in 1850, but I see from the Burtenshaw papers (p116.)that the wheelwrights shop was up for sale again in 1853 (late White) so am hoping for a description of the shop, house ,implements etc, as John did not seem to bring anything along those lines to NZ, he never practiced the business of the wheelwright professionally in NZ. I imagine he sold the business as a going concern, lock, stock and barrell as it appears to have been done again in 1853.

The other reference (page 211) is for 1851 farming stock, dead and alive. The dead stock will refer to farm implements ( not animals!) This refers I think to one of Johns brother who remained in the UK, so anything descripitive would be interesting.

There might not be much there, but I hope so, and hope it will be interesting for you, not too boring, as you have been kind enough to look for me.

Regards,
kiwi


Hi there Kiwi

I spent some considerable time looking at the notebooks you quoted; they were absolutely absorbing and full of information concerning your ancestors possessions - if I was you, I would contact the East Sussex Record Office to get them to do a full and proper transcription of the 28 pages - it would be well worth it.

Here is just a flavour of the contents, I would not have had the time to transcribe them all.

Auction Note Book Bur/2/1/10 – Page 211 - 238
An Auction of Mr John Stace, Stock, Sackling & Furniture Sale at Berwick on 22nd May 1851

The contents of the notebooks are arranged as follows:
Left hand side - Sale goods,
Right hand side - Purchaser and price paid.

Mostly written in pencil, but some pages are in pen

Here is just a quick sample of each section:-

Main Entries
(8 pages, 71 items) including
Ladder - 10/- by Pennington
Wheelbarrow - 19/- by Dadswell
Butchers Blocks - 6/6d by Shoesmith
Sussex Wheel Plough - £2/10/- by Martin
Total of Impliments was £61.6.0

Live Stock
(1 page, 12 items) including
Alderny Cow named 'Daisy' – £11/10/- by Weller
Half Bred Cow named 'Cherry' – £6/12- by Cooper
Alderny Cow named 'Lemon' – £12/-/- by Saxby
Half Breed , named 'Peggy' - £10/10/- by Mellor
Aldeny Cow, named 'Strawberry' - £7/-/- 
Alderny Cow named 'Beauty', £11/10/- by Shoesmith
Powerful cart horse of 10yrs,   £5/5/-
Useful Half Bred Mare of 7 yrs, £9/-/-
Total was £94/14/-

Furniture Downstair
(10 pages, 93 items) including
Fireguard 3/6
Table 4/-
Sundries 3/6
2 milk Pails 7/-
Copper Furnaces 18/-
Dining Table 3/6
Round Tea Table 19/-
Shovel Tongs Fire Irons 1/6
Total £36/-/-

Furniture Upstairs
(6 pages, 38 items) including
Commode 6/6
Brussells Carpet £1/-/-
Bed Sheets 7/6
Mattress 11/-
Bed Head £1/-/-
Books 2/6
Total £35/-/-

Total of Household Goods came to £71/2/6d

Total of sale was £61 .   6 . 0d
                            £94 . 14 . 0d
                            £71 .   2 . 6d

Grand Total therefore was  £227 . 2 . 6d 


If you want an explanation on monetary values, please let know - but that equates to about Ten Thousand pounds   at todays values as £1 in 1852 equalled £41 in 1996 (How much is that worth? by Lionel Munby, printed by Phillimore in 1996)

Hope that helps you put 'flesh on their bones'

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Further to my post on the Lookup requests thread, could you see if they have any Brighton Directories for 1861 to 1864 for Thomas Roberts at either West Hill Street or Viaduct Terrace. I did look at that 1866 one on the Historical Directories website but he wasnt at those addresses but would be very grateful if you could look him up on those years I mentioned please.

Hi Ben

The earliest directory on the shelf was an 1867 Post Office Directory.
I did look in it though and :

Viaduct Terrace off London Road only 2 residents listed
William Knight, gardener at 12 and Mrs Rebecca Stevenson , lodging house at 21
West Hill Street, between Buckingham street and Clifton Road – no one by the name Roberts was listed.

Sorry to come back with such a negative response

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Many thanks for your kind offer!

Two requests if I may....

RG 4/2620
Mayfield (Wesleyan Circuit) Baptisms
1808-1825

RG 4/2219
Mayfield (Calvinist) Baptisms
1767-1835

The original documents are of course held at TNA. If ESRO have microfilm copies could you see there's an entry for a James Blackman c1815 (+/- 2 years). I'm hoping that the parents are John and Sarah Blackman. (If there's an index, I'd be grateful for any other Blackman names from around 1808 to 1818.)

The second request is a little imprecise...

I have the birth cert for a James Blackman (aka James Russell) who was born in the Mayfield Almshouse on 13 January 1840. He was the illegit. son of the above James Blackman and Philadelphia Russell. (Baptised at St Dunstans on 15 March 1840 under his mother's maiden name.) In view of his birthplace and his illegitimacy, I'd be interested in any other relevant records - eg. Philadelphia's admission to the Almshouse or any maintenance order granted against James snr. Sorry this is a bit vague, but I'm not sure what sort of records exist.

Thanks in advance,

Dave

Hi there Dave

No printed copies of transcripts of registers for Non conformist at Mayfield, and as mentioned in my initial post, I did not book a film reader to search any films.
No index, but did have a look through the church registers from 1805 to 1819 without finding any Blackman Names except the following:

March 7th 1819, Philadelphia Blackman baptized, dau of Christopher & Elizabeth Blackman, Farmer
March 22 1812, Alice Blackman baptized, dau of Samuel Blackman & Elizabeth
December 3rd 1809, Joseph Blackman baptized, son of Samuel Blackman & Elizabeth

Hope you can find some use for the info above

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

 I have a few requests for the one family I hope this isn't too much.

 Birth's - Children of Thomas BLUNDELL & Elizabeth Turley

William BLUNDELL c Jun 1820 Salehurst/Bodiam
Thomas BLUNDELL c Jun 1824 Salehurst/Bodiam
Henry BLUNDELL c 1826 Salehurst/Bodiam

 Birth Elizabeth TURLEY c 1801, Father George TURLEY

 Birth Elizabeth BEANEY c 1758

 Death Stephen BLUNDELL after 1838 ( Son Thomas's immigration records in 1838 state father Stephen BLUNDELL living in Bodiam, he would have been about 83 yrs at this time, but is not recorded in 1841 census so death probably between 1838 - 1841)

 Death Elizabeth BLUNDELL ( Thomas's mother not named on his immigration records so died before 1838, not to be confused with the death of Thomas's wife Elizabeth in Dec 1834)

 Marriage William BLUNDELL to Rachel ? before July 1755

 This family seemed to remain around the Salehurst/ Bodiam areas.

 I hope this isn't too much

 I would appreciate anything you can find

 Oz Kim
 

Oz Kim

This is what I found

Bodiam Register – St Giles
No births in 1801 in book with names requested
Blundell Alfred, 16th Feb 1823, Stephen & Elizabeth, Bodiam, Labourer
Blundell Mary, 6th Nov 1743, baseborn child of Mary
Blundell John, 17th August 1817, William & Mary
Blundell William, 9th Sep 1821, Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer, Bodiam
Blundell Emma, 28th June, 1829, Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer, Bodiam
Blundell Hannah, 20th Nov 1831, Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer, Bodiam
Blundell James, 29th Dec 1833, Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer, Bodiam
Blundell George, 13th April 1823, Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer, Bodiam

Salehurst only book was 1813 to 1839 Baptisms
Blundell Thomas bapt aged 6 weeks on 23rd Jan 1825, son of Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer, Cackle Street
Blundell Henry, 15th April 1827, son of Thomas & Elizabeth, Labourer of Salehurst

Could not locate the deaths you required (but did find the one Eliabeth you did not require in Dec 1834) and the marriage of William to Rachel

Sandhurst, Kent,  Date: 10 Feb 1754:
Groom: William BLUNDELL of Cranbrook
Bride: Rachel PANKHURST

Hope the above somehow helps your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris
You have already looked for  this marriage for me in the sussex marriage index, with no luck.
Francis Baseby of Brede to Mary ?? of Catsfield around 1809ish
Would there be any chance of a quick look in the Catsfield parish registers for banns,since Mary was born there? slim chance,I know.
Thanks
Barbara


Hi Barbara

Catsfield Marriages between 1801 and 1812, no entries
Banns do not survive

Oct 20th 1811, bapt of Mary An, dau of Frances & Mary BAISBY, Labourer
Aug 11th 1816, bapt of William, son of Francis & Mary Baseby, Labourer
Nov 21st 1819, bapt of Amy, dau of Francis & Mary ,Baseby, Labourer
Aug 25th 1822, bapt of Joanna, dau of Francis and Mary Baseby, Labourer of Little Udimore.

I think the above all came from the Brede Registers, but I forgot to write that bit down - sorry

Hope that helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

I wonder if you could have a look for the following in Burwash PR

Celia Weston baptised 26 July 1806 (according to IGI member submission) mother Anne Weston. I would like confirmation please if possible and check that there isn't a father mentioned. This will solve something which has been puzzling me for a while.

Thanks ;D ;D ;D

Kerry

Kerry

The transcript of the Parish Registers on the open shelves were

Baptism Registers for 1589 – 1796, 1813 – 1837, 1837 – 1848 and 1849 – 1875


As you can see, the ones we wanted are missing (1797 to 1812)

Sorry for a negative response

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Dave Francis on Thursday 23 November 06 23:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Many thanks for your kind offer!

Two requests if I may....

RG 4/2620
Mayfield (Wesleyan Circuit) Baptisms
1808-1825

RG 4/2219
Mayfield (Calvinist) Baptisms
1767-1835

The original documents are of course held at TNA. If ESRO have microfilm copies could you see there's an entry for a James Blackman c1815 (+/- 2 years). I'm hoping that the parents are John and Sarah Blackman. (If there's an index, I'd be grateful for any other Blackman names from around 1808 to 1818.)

The second request is a little imprecise...

I have the birth cert for a James Blackman (aka James Russell) who was born in the Mayfield Almshouse on 13 January 1840. He was the illegit. son of the above James Blackman and Philadelphia Russell. (Baptised at St Dunstans on 15 March 1840 under his mother's maiden name.) In view of his birthplace and his illegitimacy, I'd be interested in any other relevant records - eg. Philadelphia's admission to the Almshouse or any maintenance order granted against James snr. Sorry this is a bit vague, but I'm not sure what sort of records exist.

Thanks in advance,

Dave

Hi there Dave

No printed copies of transcripts of registers for Non conformist at Mayfield, and as mentioned in my initial post, I did not book a film reader to search any films.
No index, but did have a look through the church registers from 1805 to 1819 without finding any Blackman Names except the following:

March 7th 1819, Philadelphia Blackman baptized, dau of Christopher & Elizabeth Blackman, Farmer
March 22 1812, Alice Blackman baptized, dau of Samuel Blackman & Elizabeth
December 3rd 1809, Joseph Blackman baptized, son of Samuel Blackman & Elizabeth

Hope you can find some use for the info above

Chris in 1066


Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:32 GMT (UK)
Chris,
I have another couple of requests if I may.

Mountfield Parish Registers.
Looking for John Sellens, b abt 1791.

Alfriston Parish Records
Looking for William Verrall, b abt 1804.

Regards

mark

Hi there Mark

Checked 1795 to 1812, no Verrall baptisms in this period at Alfriston
 
Mountfield baptisms included
Mar 27th 1791 – John, son of John & Sarah Sellens
Mar 25th 1792, Elizabeth, dau of John & Sarah Sellens
Feb 16th 1794, Mary, dau of John & Sarah Sellens
April 30th 1796, Sophia, dau of John & Sarah Sellens
July 19th 1801, John, son of John & Sarah Sellens
May 3rd 1806, Jane, dau of John & Sarah Sellens

The memoir was found amongst papers of Professor Ralph Pugh whose family was connected with the Sargents.  A note inside the cover suggest that Richard Sinnock was related to the Sargents and that the book was at one time in the possession of G E Sargent of 5 St Georges Terrace, Dalston Rise.

Remarks and Observations made by Mr Richard Sinnock on his own Conduct and Gods dealings with him, both in Providence and Grace, through a long series of years, being spared to the advanced age of 82 years on the 6th day of December 1822.

Richard Sinnock began a cordwaining business in Hastings in 1762, but moved to London in 1785 in order to join a dissenting sect, and subsequently to Guildford.  In 1799 he moved to Battle where he built a new house adjoining the Baptist church which he attended.  He was active in promoting the founding of an independent congregation in Hastings which culminated in the building of the Croft Chapel in 1805 for which he provided the land.
When there was a split in the Battle congregation, Sinnock remained with the fifteen representatives of the original Baptist Church and services were frequently held in his house. This group flourished and in 1821 a new meeting house called Zion Chapel was built on land given by Sinnock


Hope the above has been of interest

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:42 GMT (UK)
Chris

At the risk of being cheeky ...

The following entry on the IGI is an unsourced member submission. Could you please verify and provide any additional info?

John BLACKMAN m. Sarah BISHOP
7 June 1810 in Waldron


Many thanks in advance - and have an enjoyable day!

Dave

Dave

Here is confirmation of the above

June 7th 1810
John Blackman of Waldron
Sarah Bishop of Waldron
Married by Banns
Witnessed by Thos Jones and William Bishop
Both John & Sarah signed the register by putting a 'x'

Hope that helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: ellvera on Thursday 23 November 06 23:44 GMT (UK)
Thankyou so much Chris.
There are two more children I had not discovered yet,so that will be something to look into.
Much appreciated
Barbara
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 23 November 06 23:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

just wondering if i could be cheeky and ask for another look up,if you have time on the day.

looking for the parents of
Martha miller born abt 1812 Brighton
she married William bignell 5 dec 1830 st Nicholas Brighton(don't know if parents where listed in 1830)

thank you
Paula

Hi Paula

Saw you lurking in the background - (sorry, meant 'on line' actually)

Arlington
William Westgate bapt, son of John & Sarah, October 7th 1821, Labourer
Trayton Westgate bapt on May 14th 1826, son of John & Sarah, Labourer
George Westgate bapt, son of John & Sarah, Lab, October 12th 1828
Louisa Westgate bapt, dau of Richard & Henty, Labourer, 31st August 1828

Lewes – six churches to look through – sorry did not have time, but if you can indicate a probable church, will do it next time in January

No transcripts available of the Lindfield Registers

5th Dec 1830, William Bignell, bachelor,  married Martha MILLEN spinster by Banns. – no other information listed in transcript.

Hope the above is of use

Chris in 166
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Dave Francis on Thursday 23 November 06 23:50 GMT (UK)
Excellent stuff Chris. Thanks for all your hard work!

Dave
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris.

Many, many thanks for your very kind offer.

What I would like to know is the birth details for two people:

1.   Mary Allchin in West Firle
2.   George Stace in Arlington or West Firle

I have their marriage details, which show where these two were born but not when, although I am expecting they were born around 1775ish.

Location: Arlington, East Sussex,
Date: 24th Mar 1796:
Groom: George STACE, of this parish
Bride: Mary ALLCHIN, West Firle
Married by Licence

Not sure how much else I can ask of you but if you could check for the parents and any brothers and sisters of George Stace in Arlington or West Firle that would be brilliant, at this stage I have no idea if these two Parishes are STACE strongholds but by the 1841 Census there are almost none living in these Parishes.

Many many thanks.
Darren


Hi Darren

Cant locate a Mary, but did notice these bapt around the same time in the Firle Registers

Jul 1st 1776, Elizabeth Allchin, dau of Henry & Mary
Aug 6th 1777, Henry  son of Henry & Mary
Feb 7th 1779, Thos son of Henry & Mary
Oct 1st 1780, John, son of Henry & Mary

The STACE surname only appears in the registers for Arlington in the 1650, 52, 74 and 76)
Marriage in 1694 and burials 1652, 69, 91.

Sorry I can not be of more help at this time

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

How are you, mate? It's a while since we met up down in Hastings and I haven't used the Sussex boards much since then because much of my family history research has been recently concentrated on my Staffordshire ancestors.

Thanks for your kind offer to do look ups at ESRO

I hope that you can help me to sort a few problems identified with my Sussex ancestors.

1. I am looking for the baptism of Mary Gutsell. Probably this took place between 1748 and 1758 at Sedlescombe but could have occurred at Brede or Ewhurst.

2. I have somehow got two baptisms for James Manser Thorpe. The first is a private baptism at Fairlight on 09 May 1824 and the second is also at Fairlight on 18 September 1831 (James's parents are William amd Ruth). I think that the first baptism is correct since it corresponds with the months following the birth. Who was baptised at Fairlight on 18 September 1831?

3. James Manser married Harriet Wilson in 1846 and I have two daughters both called Alice. The first is called Alice Louise is thought to be born at Fairlight about March 1863. The second is Alice Matilda baptised at Fairlight 23 August 1868. Are these both their children? If so presumably the first one died young so is their a burial?

I hope that you can help.

Thanks in advance.

Roger

Hi there Roger

The transcript of the parish register says:
Sep 18th 1831, James Manser Thorpe son of William & Ruth, Butcher,  - privately bapt on 9th May 1824. – but the private baptism is not entered in the register.
(From past experience, If a child was born rather poorly, then it usually had a private baptism in the home in case it did not survive, or else it could not be buried in the local churchyard)

March 27th 1864, William Benjamin Thorpe bapt, son of James & Harriett Thorpe, Labourer
Aug 23rd 1868, Alice Matilda Thorpe bapt, dau of James & Harriett Thorpe

No record of an Alice in 1863 and no burial between 1861 and 1870 of a Thorpe child.

Mary Gutsell is not listed in either Sedlescombe, Ewehurst or Brede between 1748 and 1758

Hope that is of some assistance in your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:15 GMT (UK)
Chris - what a very generous offer.

If it's at all possible, I'd be most grateful for any information on a school run by a Frenchman named Henri Etienne Janson (b. abt 1801, died 1878) in Hove from at least 1851, possibly earlier, until the 1870s. I'd be interested in the name of the school (if any), dates, numbers of pupils or indeed anything else about Professor Janson and his school. Census details show that he and his family were at the following addresses in Hove:

1851: 9 Adelaide Crescent
1861: 106 Lansdowne Place
1871: 65 Hova Villas

There were boy boarders with the family at these addresses, but I haven't been able to find out whether the school was based at the successive Janson family homes or whether they simply accommodated a few of the boarders.

Prof. Janson's wife was a relative of mine, and many members of the family (including my great-great-grandfather) were educated at this school.

Many thanks in advance

Anna



Hi Anna

Sorry, but no records were available for me to consult to try and answer this query

I am truly sorry to have to give you a negative answer

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,
Not sure if Mountfield is East Sussex but if it is I am looking for fir the birth details of William Butchers born abt 1825 (and any siblings).
I have his marriage cert and his father was William Butchers.
He is not with his parents in 1841 census and the only other William that could be his father is with wife Ann. Would love to link these up. Thank you for your time and effort.

Sue

Hi there Sue

Found these in the Mountfield Registers

May 1st 1825, Anne, dau of Wiliam & Anne Butchers
July 13th 1828, William, son of William & Anne Butcher
June 12th 1831, Harriett & Daniel, twin children  of William & Anne Butchers
Dec 8th 1833 Stephen, son of William & Anne Butchers

Oct 30th 1824, William Butcher, bach & Ann Mills, spin, both of this parish, Witnessed by Thomas Luck and Thos Starr at Mountfield

Hope it helps your research

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Could you possibly confirm a baptism for a Stephen Catt in Ewhurst about 1629 please. Also, and I am not sure what early registers are available for Ewhurst, whether there are any Catt/Catte burials in this parish between about 1610 and 1630? I hope that this is not too much to ask, but I would be very grateful for your help.

Best wishes,
Lesley

Hi there Lesley

The transcripts of the Registers for Ewhurst that were on the open shelves in the record office were :
Baptism started in 1696
Burials were from 1697
Marriages from 1558

Unfortunately, we wanted 1610 - 1630

Unfortunately, the information I required was not available

My apologies for this negative answer

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris
May I take you up on your offer please.

I'm looking for birth details of a Richard Ticehurst  b (I think)  18/7/1786 or 1783
or
James Ticehurst b 1779
or
Samuel Ticehurst b 1786
or
Barbara Ticehurst b 1781

All were born in Eastbourne, possibly St Mary's. and are from the same family.

I am trying to establish their parents. I have found a couple of names from the LDS site ( James Ticehurst and Abigail Pierce) but cannot find any evidence of a married or union for these two, or that they even existed.
I am not sure whether E.Sussex records office will have anything on these dates, but if so, I would appreciate any info you find

Thanks
Jard

Hi there Jard

I found the following

James Ticehurst, son of James & Abigail, Nov 21st 1779
Samuel Ticehurst, son of  James & Abigail, 18 Jul 1786
Barbara Ticehurst, dau of James & Abigail, 18th March 1781
Richard, son of Anne, base born on 2oth July 1783

Sorry, but I could not find a marriage between 1770 and 1790

Hope the above helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:35 GMT (UK)
Hello and Thank you for the offer. I am not familiar with the document holdings in the records office but hope these are appropriate. I am looking for:

1) The parents of Elizabeth Ticehurst, born in Catsfield 1804-1805.

2) Parents of Joseph Beavis b. 1781 in Bexhill

3) Parents of Mary Southouse born 1782-83 - possibly in Bexhill.

Thanks so much.

Jann

Have only quoted one request above, but have replied to both of your 'look ups'

Hi there Jann

Jane is listed as Hannah in transcript on Oct 20th –
Hannah Heasman bapt on 20th Oct 1782, dau of Henry & Elizabeth

There was no Elizabeth Ticehurst in Catsfield Register

Bexhill Registers of 1781 baptisms not available as were 1782/83

This was the period covered by those Register transcriptions on the open shelves.
1558 – 1695, 1702 – 1766, 1823 – 1849, 1849 – 1880 baptisms only.

Not a very good set of results was it - my apologies

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:42 GMT (UK)
I would be very pleased to take up your request.

I am hoping to find the marriage of JOHN HIDE (HYDE) to SUSANNAH. ABOUT 1713 (MAYBE BEFORE OR AFTER) in SEAFORD SUSSEX. They are the parents of THOMAS b1715 and twins SUSANNAH AND ELIZABETH born 1729.

Also if you would have time the Bapstism of JOHN which I estimate 1690-1695. any additional informating. Many thanks. Kesannah

Hi there Kesannah

I Checked the Bishops transcripts between 1700 and 1720, but found no entry at all

July 10th 1715, Thomas Hide bapt, son of Thomas & Susanna Hide

the twins baptism in 1729 was not in the transcripts of the parish registers on the open shelves

Also, could not locate a baptism between 1685 and 1695 for John in Seaford

Sorry for my failings

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:47 GMT (UK)
Much appreciated your offer Chris.

could you possibly look for the following.

Jane Barnes was born in Bexhill c.1807 and she married John Dann 6/12/1839 in Brede
Jane had one son illegitimately, Samuel John Barnes c.1835 Brede and then another after marriage, Elias Dann c.1842 in Brede (baptised 25/9/1842, Brede)

I'm really looking for a baptism of Samuel and possibly a baptism of Jane to find her parents names?

Many thanks

David

Hi there David

No baptism in Bexhill between 1803 and 1810 for Barnes surname

May 22nd 1835, Samuel John Barnes, son of John & Jane, Labourer
Sept 25th 1842, Elias, son of John & Jane, Labourer

Surprising, but thats what the transcript of the Brede registers said

Hope it helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I would like to accept your generous offer for a look up if I am not too late.

Some time ago kind rootschatters found a marriage for me for Thomas Walker and Sarah Raper, who I believed were the parents of my GG grandmother Frances Walker. The marriage was on 7/3/1835 in Etchingham, and the licence was granted on 6/3/1835 in the Archdeaconry of Lewes  -  SRS26. Against Sarahs name the index said otsp ( no father, mother or guardian.

I have the family together in 1851 & 1841 and later have Frances marriage in Wilts, but now I have finally been able to get a copy of Frances birth cert ( reg as Fanny to confuse me ) it shows her mother as Ann Walker nee Raper. All other details match.

Its possible Sarah was Sarah Ann or Ann Sarah, but all records I have show her as Sarah, so I was hoping that there may be some additional info on the licence to help resolve it. Sarah was born Rochford Essex, and I have also requested a baptism look up on the Essex board but no results yet.

Hope its not too much trouble

Nashua

Hi there Nashua

I found a transcription of the marriage just as you have written it above, but was unable to add anything to that.

Apologies for not being able to help you further

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:55 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I have searched on the GRO indexes for the following marriage with no luck.

I would be grateful if you could look it up in the parish registers during your forthcoming trip.

Marriage took place between 1867 and 1870 in either Friston or Uckfield, although pretty sure it would be Friston.

Groom: William (Willie) Simmons
Bride: Elizabeth Cooley
Brides Father: James Cooley

Many Thanks

SuzyWoo



Hi Suzy

Unfortunately, the register transcripts on the open shelves at the record office only went up to 1837 for Friston i.e. 1530 - 1837

So unfortunately, I was not able to find the information you required

Sorry

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 00:58 GMT (UK)
hi, Chris,
i am also interested in the info. about William Verrall 1804 Alfriston please, thanks!

Jennifer (Mark and i are in contact)


Hi Jennifer

No Verrall surnames listed in bapt between 1800 and 1812 in Alfriston.

Seems the only entry is a marriage in 1640 of Joan Verrall to Thomas Stone.

Sorry

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 01:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris  :)

If you have time  (???), I would be grateful if you could look up the birth register for ALBERT GEORGE BOYS born in Alciston in 1872.

I'm interested in checking who his parents were if poss.

Many thanks for your kind offer!

Clara   :)

Hi there Clara

Although there were nearly 60 baptisms of BOYS children between 1813 and 1900 in alciston, but not one of them was named Albert George

The only parents having children around 1872 were:
Eli Stephen Boys and Eliza, Labourer or
George Boys and Harriett Louisa, Lime Burner

Could the parents of Albert be one of those two couples

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 01:15 GMT (UK)
Glynda

Cant find your original post, but I do have a copy of it as follows:

glynda
RootsChat Pioneer
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Posts: 2
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
sussex
« Sent to: Chris in 1066Land on: Today at 18:55:26 »

________________________________________
hi chris

ruth budd was born in 1851 in burwash. she lived with her father john budd. she had two illegitimate children lois 1869 and james 1870. i don't know the name of the father but she did later marry a george messetter who was a bricklayer by trade. however in 1881 ruth lois james and 2 other messetter children were in the battle union workhouse. i think her father was still alive and i am certain that george was because she wasn't recorded as being widowed. lois later married john gadd. she is my g grandmother. they had a daughter edith b1890  I am also searcing for any info on the name harvey. my grandfather frank came from hurstpierpoint

glynda


Found the following baptisms

James, June 15th 1845, son of John & Sarah Budd
William John, 27th june 1847, son of John  & Sarah
Frances, Feb 11th 1849, dau of John  & Sarah, Labourer
Ruth Budd bapt on 8th Dec 1850, daughter of John & Sarah, Labourer
Ellen, July 3rd 1853, dau of John & Sarah Anne
George, Jan 1st 1860, son of John & Sarah (P.B)
Mary Jane, November 2nd 1862, dau of John  & Sarah
Henry James, August 5th 1866, son of John  & Sarah
Lois Budd, bapt on March 9th 1869, daughter of Ruth (P.B)
James Thomas Budd bapt on 7th August 1870, son of Ruth


Did not find a marriage for John  & Sarah in Burwash

Hope that helps

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 01:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I would like to take advantage of your offer again to look in the Sussex Record Office if you can manage it.

Auction Book - ref BUR2/1/19 date Dec 1852 Jun 1853
page116, Berwick, Blacksmith's Shop: wheelwright's and blacksmith's shops (late White) 1853

Best regards,
kiwi.

Hi again Kiwi

This is what it says in the notebook - this time written in pen in a nice clear hand.

Sale of Property in the Parish of Berwick, Sussex at the Star Hotel, Lewes, Sussex by order of the Attornyees of Mr Henry White, Blacksmith – June 7th 1853

A small freehold Estate consisting of Dwelling House in 2 tenements, Wheelwright shops attached, Blacksmiths shop, Cow lodge, and about 1acre 1 rod and 14 perches of Land with one lease on the Tye ?(Tythe)

Not Sold, value unknown

Well, you now have a description of where he lived, but it looks as though the next owner had problems in making ends meet

Hope it helps

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 01:31 GMT (UK)
Hi All

And finally, I have come to the end of posting replies to your 22+ queries and looking at the clock, I think it is time for bed.  Again it has taken me a lot longer than I thought it would to post the answers (2 and 1/2 hours) but it was worth it.

Am hoping to go back to the record Office in Mid January, so keep your eyes peeled for the next 'Record Office Day'

Goodnight for now

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: susie956 on Friday 24 November 06 02:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,
Thank your for your hard work and have a good night sleep you deserve it.

Regards Sue
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Friday 24 November 06 03:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Good heavens, what a treasure trove you have unearthed, how marvelous.  It explains one or two things too, we have often wondered how he could afford to buy land not long after his arrival, John obviously knew he had money due to him, if he did not bring it with him! Never dreamed it was quite so much though!

I will do as you suggested and ask for a full transcription of the whole 28pages !! Hopefully I can pay on line, but will contact the record offices direct.

I am glad you found it interesting too.  Thank you ,thank you, thank you.  It is appreciated, if I can ever return the compliment from this end just 'shout'.

Regards,
kiwi.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: nashua on Friday 24 November 06 08:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Thanks for looking for me - it may not have provided any additional info, but at least it saves me wondering if there were any more details.

A really appreciate you giving your time to help us all

Nashua

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 09:01 GMT (UK)
Kiwi

I spent more time on your notebooks than I wanted to, but when I walked into the search rooms and signed in, the books were put into my hands straight away - so had no option but to start on them.  Glad I did really because it gave me a buzz that lasted the rest of the day.

When you manage to get a full transcript of the pages in the notebook that relate to your ancestors, I would love to have a copy please;  could I also put it on my rootschat archive website amongst the Sussex archives.  It so vividly paints a picture of what life was like some 160 years ago and the type of household goods that were used.

I really enjoyed reading it

Chris in 1066

PS - I love the added information of the names of the animals - fantastic ;D
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: outlaw on Friday 24 November 06 09:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris
thank you very much for taking the time to look for me.
looks like martha miller was in fact martha millen.
i've just looked at the birth cert of one of their sons and it does look more like an 'n' not an 'r'.

thanks again :)
paula
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kerryb on Friday 24 November 06 09:51 GMT (UK)
Thanks for looking Chris anyway.

Take it easy today, you deserve it!!!

Kerry  ;D
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: L on Friday 24 November 06 12:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Many thanks for taking the time to look for me.

Regards,
Lesley
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jann on Friday 24 November 06 13:28 GMT (UK)
Chris,

Thanks so much for doing this research for me!!!!!   Living in the US, it's hard for me to access English parish records. 

Obviously, I will need to pursue some different searches on Ticehurst, Heasman, etc.

Beware!  I will be watching very carefully for your announcement of your January visit to the record office!

Thanks again,  Jann
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: moon on Friday 24 November 06 13:48 GMT (UK)
thanks so much for looking Chris and helping us all the time!
j
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: oldcrone on Friday 24 November 06 13:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Chris, very much for looking for my Albert George Boys - sorry if it was a goosechase, but he certainly has Alciston as his place of birth in 1872 on census returns.

Thanks again for looking  ;)

best wishes

Clara

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 14:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Clara

Just been on to FreeBMD and found the following

Births Dec Quarter 1872
~~~~~~~~
BOYS  Albert George     Lewes  2b 172   


Will see if I can locate the exact place under the Lewes Reg dist - no, it still says Lewes; but that covers Alciston as well.

Perhaps they were non conformist, or perhaps they never baptized their children.   Was he the first born, did mum go home to her mum for the baby and possible baptism?
I notice from the 1881 census Albert is listed as Grandson of Elizabeth Stephens, that has got to be on his mothers side, it cant be his grandmother on his fathers side because she would be a BOYS as well.
Sorry, just thinking out aloud

Chris in 1066

 
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: davidpinkney on Friday 24 November 06 19:54 GMT (UK)
Much appreciated your offer Chris.

could you possibly look for the following.

Jane Barnes was born in Bexhill c.1807 and she married John Dann 6/12/1839 in Brede
Jane had one son illegitimately, Samuel John Barnes c.1835 Brede and then another after marriage, Elias Dann c.1842 in Brede (baptised 25/9/1842, Brede)

I'm really looking for a baptism of Samuel and possibly a baptism of Jane to find her parents names?


Hi there David

No baptism in Bexhill between 1803 and 1810 for Barnes surname

May 22nd 1835, Samuel John Barnes, son of John & Jane, Labourer
Sept 25th 1842, Elias, son of John & Jane, Labourer

Surprising, but thats what the transcript of the Brede registers said

Hope it helps

Chris in 1066


Would you believe it, your search has thrown up unexpected info, now i'm going to have to review all that i've found so far to understand why Elias hasn't the surname Dann! Many thanks for time and effort it is greatly appreciated!

David
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Friday 24 November 06 20:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Yes of course you may use the info on your website when I have the full transcript, I thought it was interesting too! I smiled at Shoosmith buying an expensive cow named 'Beauty' and a butchers block, I'm sure there is no connection between the two, other than perhaps a 'good buy'!
No doubt he bought other things that will come to light in the full transcript.

I have two questions of a general nature that I hope you may be able to answer.

In An Auction of Mr John Stace, Stock, Sackling and Furniture Sale etc. etc

What is Sackling?  Is it an East Sussex colloquialism for ?

Also in your second reply, the estate is a Dwelling house in 2 tenements  the picture that comes to mind is of a Victorian terrace type house but that is wrong in a village setting, any ideas on what it might have looked like? 
I thought it would have been single storied, but the furniture came from upstairs and downstairs.
Presumably the blacksmith lived in one bit the wheelwright in the other, so with their attached workshops very noisy at times. 
An acre and a bit isn't much to run at least 6 cows and 2 horses on so will have another trawl through the archives  to see where he must have leased other land for grazing. The 'long acre' is probably a colonial thing. (roadside verges)

Hoping you can easily shed some light on my two (probably) silly questions,

Regards,
kiwi



Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 24 November 06 21:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Kiwi

Yes, when I read what shoesmith had bought, I also had the same thoughts - but it would have been a shame to kill the cows, they had such pretty names.

Tenement - An apartment building, block of flats or tenement is a multi-unit dwelling made up of several (generally four or more) apartments or flats.
So you could say that possibly several families lived in the same block.

Sackling - Am consulting the Oracle on this one, but its not coming back with any answers except to do with new born calfs and ewes feeding their young or sackling ?(or do they mean suckling)

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: coombs on Friday 24 November 06 21:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Thanks for looking for Thomas Roberts though.

Ben
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Saturday 25 November 06 00:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Mmmmm. Tenement/Apartment Block still doesn't sound like a village setting, maybe it's just 'legal-talk', probably just a con- joined house. The idea of the blacksmith and the wheelwright being in close proximity makes sense though.

I wondered if Sackling was a local word for 'chattels'. ( as in 'goods and chattels').

Regards,
kiwi
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jann on Saturday 25 November 06 01:17 GMT (UK)
Chris,

Could I get an opinion?  Just a referesher:  per the IGI (Batch C148141)  Jane Heasman was christened in Barcombe on 20 Oct. 1782.  Parents Henry Heasman and Elizabeth.

Your visit revealed that the child of Henry and Elizabeth christened 20 Oct. 1782 in Batrcome was Hannah. 

All records I've seen:  The IGI record info (which I presume came from the registers and not from private submission), her marriage record (June s, 1801 to Thomas Towner in Alfriston)  the census of 1841, and her death record, give her name as Jane. 

I can understand that perhaps she would have been called Jane in the family but I would think her marriage and death records would need to have her "official" name.

Any ideas about this ?

Jann

 
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: ellvera on Saturday 25 November 06 05:46 GMT (UK)
kiwi
From the Oxford companion to Local and Family History:
Tenement:Originally any rented property.The term is used to describe the holdings of 'yeomen' and 'husbandmen',which were smaller than farms but larger than the properties of 'cottagers'.In the Victorian period, the word was used to describe the working class houses which were sub-divided horizontally in the major industrials towns.
Barbara ;)

Nothing about the sacklings though,sorry
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kiwi on Saturday 25 November 06 10:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Barbara,

That sounds better, thank you.  I might add the word Sacklings to my request at the East Sussex Archives, should imagine they would know, when I find out I will post here for one and all to see. Am relieved to find I am not the only one who didn't know what it meant.

Regards
kiwi
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: mnmilt on Sunday 26 November 06 02:26 GMT (UK)
Chris,
Many thanks for the information on the Sellens baptisms in Mountfield and the information on Richard Sinnock.  The information is most helpful.

I suspect that the John Sellens that was christened in 1791 later married Mary Holman and then emigrated to the US.  The only thing that makes me doubt that this is the correct John Sellens was the fact that John and Sarah Sellens had two children names John.  That is unusual (but not unheard of).  It could be that the first John had died or that there were two seperate John and Sarah Sellens in the Mountfield area at that time.

With respect to Richard Sinnock, the fact that the memoirs were linked to the Sargent family helps me link him to some other individuals but I still can't link him to other Sinnocks.

Regards

Mark
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: jard on Sunday 26 November 06 10:16 GMT (UK)
Chris

Thank you for your help and time.
The information you have found has helped to clarify things,

Just a shame that they didn't record surnames at that time.

Regards
Jard
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: SuzyWoo on Tuesday 28 November 06 11:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Thankyou for taking the time and trouble to look anyway.

I am getting help from Eastbourne registry office now, so I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Thankyou again.

SuzyWoo
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Oz Kim on Tuesday 28 November 06 20:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

    Thanks for this info from Sussex Record office it
is a big help.

                                            Kim
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: rogerofgoostrey on Tuesday 28 November 06 22:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Just got back from a few days away.

Thanks for the answers to my request.  Two out of three aint bad.  Mary Gutsell was always going to be difficult.

Kind regards

Roger
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: daz68 on Friday 01 December 06 05:08 GMT (UK)
MANY thanks Chris for taking the time to help me with my request.  Even though you didn't find a great deal it has helped clarify a few things for me that I would never have had the opportunity to do from Sydney, Autralia, where I live.

Regards
Darren
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: avm228 on Friday 01 December 06 09:50 GMT (UK)
Chris,

Many thanks indeed for your efforts - mine was rather a speculative query, so I'm not that surprised there wasn't anything to find, but I'm extremely grateful that you went to such lengths to try to help me and so many others.

Anna
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: kesannah on Friday 01 December 06 14:44 GMT (UK)
Thankyou verymuch for your efforts on my behalf.  I do appreciate the time you took to find these family members.
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: oldcrone on Saturday 02 December 06 23:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Clara

Just been on to FreeBMD and found the following

Births Dec Quarter 1872
~~~~~~~~
BOYS  Albert George     Lewes  2b 172   

Will see if I can locate the exact place under the Lewes Reg dist - no, it still says Lewes; but that covers Alciston as well.

Perhaps they were non conformist, or perhaps they never baptized their children.   Was he the first born, did mum go home to her mum for the baby and possible baptism?
I notice from the 1881 census Albert is listed as Grandson of Elizabeth Stephens, that has got to be on his mothers side, it cant be his grandmother on his fathers side because she would be a BOYS as well.

Hi Chris, sorry that I haven't responded to your earlier post (not having been online for a bit).

I have a feeling that Albert George Boys was the illegitimate son of Caroline Boys (she was working in London as a cook, think she might have come home to have her baby, then returned to London to die of consumption.... speculation at the present.... ) I know that he was the grandson of Elizabeth Stephens (nee Hastings, first marriage Boys)

Clara

ps thanks again for your help and interest....
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Neilio on Thursday 06 September 12 08:52 BST (UK)
Chris
I am trying to confirm that a William Thorpe born 1810 in Fairlight is the brother of the James Manser Thorpe discussed below (and more importantly, the child of William and Ruth Thorpe).

Thank you for any time you might be able to spend on this!

Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: omega 1 on Thursday 06 September 12 10:49 BST (UK)
Hello Neilio

Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Chris is not to good at the moment & i`m sure he wont mind me helping you.

Baptised at Fairlight

William Thorpe
23 Jun 1809,son of William & Ruth

James Manser Thorpe
Baptised
18 Sept 1831
Son of William & Ruth
Dad a Butcher at the time
James was Privately Baptised in 1824.
Will get back to you regarding the Month,had a senior moment & forgot to write it down ::).

Kind Regards
omega
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: omega 1 on Thursday 06 September 12 10:59 BST (UK)
Hello again

9 may 1824

Kind regards

omega
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: Neilio on Thursday 06 September 12 18:20 BST (UK)
Thanks Omega!
Very much appreciated.  This is a big help. 
Title: Re: Visit to East Sussex Record Office - November 23 2006
Post by: omega 1 on Thursday 06 September 12 18:37 BST (UK)
Your Welcome :)

I believe i have found where the name Manser comes from.If you need anymore help just Yell :)

Kind regards

omega

PS,If you have a lot of Sussex Ancestors it maybe worth joining the Sussex Family History Group,which gives members online access to Baptisums & Burials