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See lots of interest lately with McDougall name. Anyone following Elizabeth Montgomrie and James McDougall/McDugall.
1841 census Elizabeth is a widow at Johnstone aged 45, entereed as Bell or ?Beth
Children Robert, Janet, Susana, Alexr, Malcom and James.
Not sure when husband James died..around 1838. ???
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hi althea, i live in johnstone and i am able to offer my help to you should you need it.
i can visit local graveyards and churches if required.
i know the name mcdougall in johnstone but i am afraid it would not be able to trace it back to the era you are researching.
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Many thanks for your reply. I'll get back to you when I find some specific info on death dates.
Bye
Althea
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hi althea, this may be a piece of useless information but you never know!!!
i have no idea where people were buried in the johnstone area before 1845.
in 1845 they opened woodside cemetery in paisley, so lots of johnstonians where buried there until 1887.
in 1887 the council opened a cemetery in abbey road elderslie, the most local burial place for johnstonians.
in 1897 they opened kilbarchan cemetery but i have found this to be used many by people from kilbarchan and linwood and the surrounding villages
so if you have anyone in your family tree that fits into the dates above i will certainly visit the graveyards and confirms dates for you should there be gravestones.
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Hi, I just wanted to make contact about your McDougall connections. I just posted information about my family line but wondered if you had any link with the Eckford/Caverton Mill family?
thanks
Lisa
Wellington
New Zealand
www.rishworth.com
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Hi Lisa,
Done a search on Ancestry.co.uk, for McDougall in Roxbughshire, Scotland and there a lot there ; 319 results over all the census.
This maybe help your research.
Tom
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Many thanks, must do this next - bank balance allowing!
Lisa
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Hi There
I am looking for any information re James McDougall born around 1790 or at least in the 1790's (we think) who married Elizabeth Montgomery or Montgomeri, also most likely to have been born around the same time. This couple married, possibly 13 March 1816 at Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland and had a number of children. I have read another posting on this site that mentions the family as Robert, Janet, Susana, Alexr, Malcom and James.
My research may or may not be as good, but the children I have are:
Cathrin, Marion, Neil, Robert, Janet, Susan King, Alexander, Mary Stewart, James.
I have information which suggests that the children were all baptised within days of their births and were baptised at The Abby, Paisley. Renfrewshire, Scotland. I have been told that this is an area of Paisley rather than a church. I believe that James died about 1843 though another posting does suggest that in: "1841 census Elizabeth is a widow at Johnstone aged 45, entered as Bell or ?Beth" and I have written down about 1841 on another occasion from other research.
The son, Alexander McDougall, is our direct relative, but I would be interested in any information and references that anyone has on this family. I am willing to share the information we have re Alexander right down to the present generation, however, I have been so far unable to find out a lot about his family or parents. I have even gathered a reasonable amount of data on Alexander's wife.
Alexander and his wife and son migrated to Australia and one of his son's Malcolm is my husband's Grandfather.
I look forward to hearing from anyone who can help me with my research on this family and in particular the members of that family left behind in Scotland by Alexander and his wife.
In appreciation
smcd
Any assistance would be so much appreciated. My private email is: (*) should you be able to assist.
Regards
smcd
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Hi smcd
Abbey in Paisley was a Parish - sometimes called Abbey Landward but there is also an Abbey in Paisley which did have a burial ground.
folks from Johnstone may have been buried in Abbey cemetary - which is Not in Paisley but Elderslie and opened 1887. Elderslie is the village between Paisley and Johnstone.
before that folks were buried in a lot of cases in churchyards and there are a number in and around Paisley which when Woodside and Hawkhead opened to the west and east of the town respectively stopped being used as working cems.
Hope this helps explain the abbey bit
Ann
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Hello Ann
Many thanks for the email and details re the abbey that you have sent so promptly--much appreciated as we live in Australia and are far removed from the area and having first-hand information. I would think that James McDougall, and possibly his wife would have been buried eventually with him, would be in an older graveyard somewhere. Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland seems to continually come up in my research as the place where James and Elixabeth were married on 13 March 1816 and where they had each of their children baptised. The last child, James, I have as being born on 8 June 1838, so it would seem that James has died when this little boy was still quite young, as the dates we have are somewhere around 1841/1843??? My research has his place of death as Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland, and that James had been a cotton spinner...
It has been suggested to me by descendants that Alexander has a sister who also migrated to Australia, but we have no idea which sister and when she came (before or after Alexander and his wife and child), or whether or not she came out here married or single. Some women did migrate unmarried with other family members.
"Our" McDougall's married in Scotland in 1851 and migrated in 1855, so the Father, James would likely (by the dates we have) already be dead by the time of this marriage, but what of the Mother (Elizabeth) and what of all the other brothers and sisters???? Also I need to make sure just who were the brothers and sisters, as I have a few that are different from another posting I have read on this site.
Many thanks to anyone who can help with this and again thanks to Ann for your reply.
Kind regards
smcd (Shirley)
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hi pal,
i think this is yer family...
1851 census- dimity street, johnstone
elizabeth...age 55...born c1796
susan...age 21...mill worker
malcolm...age iron moulder
james...age 13...mill worker
all born johnstone
Joe
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Shirley Hi
O have checked the graveyards from the Memoiral Inscription books I have and can;t find them. This doesn;t mean they were not buried there what it means is they don;t have headstones which wasn;t unusual for the time - Most folks couldn;t afford one.
The only way to get death records such as they are pre 1855 is to contact the National Archivs Scotland and see of they have the mortcloth records for the area in question. Some, albeit a few, still survive. Pre 1855 is only recird of death available.
Nas website is http://www.nas.gov.uk/
I know anything they have for Renfrewshire is there because I have asked them for things my folks being from Paisley.
To get further back with Alexander you are going to need the parish records. If he was Church of Scotland then these are on Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ . If not then you need to contact National Archives Scotland at address above.
Oh and I neglected to Mention the Abbey as is known is still standing in Paisley and it does have a graveyard tho all the stones are laid flat but fraid your folks not got stone there. But for info this is a pic of the abbey and a bit about it http://www.paisleyabbey.org.uk/gettingthere.htm and http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/paisley/abbey/index.html
Cheers
Ann
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hi pal,
seems that susan married john duncan around 1852, will check oot the igi's
1861 census- 61 high street, johnstone
john duncan...age 34...tailor
susan duncan...age 35
elizabeth duncan...age 8
elizabeth mcdougall...age 64...mother-in-law
Joe
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hi pal,
1841 census- graham street, johnstone
bell (nickname)...age 45...widow
robert...age 20...printer foundry
janet...age 18...mill worker
susan...age 16...mill worker
malcolm...age 7
james...age 2
alexander...age 44...mill worker
robert montgomery....age 21
Joe
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hi pal
see a marriage for susan, 30/11/1851.
Joe
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Hello Joe and Hello Ann
I am overwhelmed by the kindness of both of you and the information you have been sending me. Thank you both so very much. Every little piece of information that is forthcoming helps to unravel the mysteries that our ancestors left behind. We live here in Australia, about an hour's drive north of Brisbane, and to be able to have people like yourselves from so far away assist with information so quickly by message, through this site to our computer is just wonderful. Hope you do not mind this message being sent to the two of you in one, but I have just received your messages and must rush out to a funeral so wanted to respond quickly before I leave.
I will look through all that you have sent in fine detail later in the day. Again a very sincere thank you for your kind efforts and for taking the time to reply so quickly.
Kindest regards
smcd (Shirley)
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Hello again Joe
I am just trying to wade my way through all the wonderful information that has been sent my way re the McDougall family. I have a query of you...
Could you please go back to wherever yu found the information re the 1841 census where you have the father, James, already desceased and Elizabeth (Bell) living at Graham Street, Johnstone. In that detail which you sent to me, you have Alexander listed as being 44 and a mill worker. However, my information would have had him as being about 14 at that stage. Could this be a typing error in transcription???? I have Alexander as being born on 30 Apr 1827 in Johnstone Renfrewshire. That piece of information does not seem to fit...
I did my initial research on this family on the familysearch.org site and that is where I gathered the names:
Catherin MCDOUGALL...b.
Marion MCDOUGALL...b.29 Oct 1816
Neil MCDOUGALL...b.11 Jan 1819
Robert MCDOUGALL...b.07 Apr 1821
Janet MCDOUGALL...b.02 May 1823
Susan King MCDOUGALL...b.04 Jun 1825
Alexander MCDOUGALL...b.30 Apr 1827...Johnstone, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Mary Stewart MCDOUGALL...b.05 Jul 1829
James MCDOUGAL...b.06 Jun 1838
I have the Death Cert of Alexander and it states the parents as: James McDougall...Cotton Spinner and Elizabeth Montgomery.
Interestingly, the children of Alexander and his wife Agnes (and I have quite a bit on Agnes's family--even finding a long-lost cousin for Doug in Scotland) were:
Isabella... (named after his wife's Mother) & born in Scotland
James... (named after his Father) born in Scotland but died at sea
John... born in Australia and died 2 & a half months later
Alexander... (named after himself)
Robert... (named probably after his brother)
Malcolm... (Doug's Grandfather & possibly named after a brother we did not know existed in the list we have)
James...(named also after the Father since the other James died)
Agnes...(named after the Mother)
Since it was custom to name the first son after the Father's Father and the second son after the Mother's Father, then we can assume that Elizabeth Montgomery's Father was probably a John????? and that is where that name came from in Alexander and Agnes McDougall's family here in Australia.
However, I am still uneasy re athe names I have and the names that have come to me in the last couple of days. For instance, it does seems likely that there may well have been a Malcolm born to James and Elizabeth, as I have often wondered how that name turned up in his son Alexander's family and this Malcolm of couse is Doug's Grandfather.
Also could the Christine I have really be a Christian McDougall? and why did this name never seem to come up again in the family??
Does the Marion McDougall I have just not exist in this family? Certainly I never saw this name occur again either...
What about the Mary Stewart McDougall? Who is she??
Why did I not have a Malcolm?? (although I did in another search of familysearch.org on another occasion and he was born 1834 which fits with your 7 yrs old in the 1841 census)
Why did I have Susan King McDougall, if her name was simply Susan??
I have too many questions don't I........... I do apologise for this, but I just would like to make sure I have the right people and have it referenced properly ie where the info comes from. I guess there could have been deaths in the family as often happened in those days which is another explanation.
SORRY ANOTHER QUERY......
There seems evidence that Susan McDougall married John Duncan around 1852 and she shows up in the 1861 census as 35 which fits with her being born 04 Jun 1825. However I have a contact now with Althea in NZ who believes she is a descendant of Susan who married Achibald Morren and moved to NZ.
I really must sort out some answers to these queries before entering too much information into my tree.
Joe, I realise this is a lot to lay at your feet and will understand if you just feel it is not somewhere you want to go with your research. On the other hand, if you too are interested in helping me sort out this problem, I will be so very, very grateful for your kindness.
Very kind regards
smcd (Shirley) from Australia
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hi pal,
wonder if this is yours?
1851 census- 23 rankine street, johnstone
alexander...age 26...cotton spinner
agnes hart...age 23...born kilbarchan
christian...age 5
james...age 6 months
will visit the few graveyards in johnstone to see if i can find yer mcdougall's
Joe
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Hello Again Joe
Thanks for the assistance once again. However, we believe we do have the correct info pertaining to Alexander McDougall, son of James McDougall and Elizabeth Montgomery. Alexander married Agnes Muir from Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland on 29h Aug 1851 in Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. Their children were as follows:
Isabella...b 9th Jan 1852 in Ardrossan, Scotland
James...b 1855 and died 1855 at sea
John...b.24th Jan 1857 in Ipswich, Colony of New South Wales, Australia
Alexander...b3rd March 1858 in Ipswich, Colony of New South Wales, Aust
Robert...b. 8th Oct 1860 in Ipswich, Qld, Australia
Malcolm...b.27th July 1862 in Ipswich, Qld, Australia
James...b. 2nd Aug 1867 Ipswich, Qld, Aust
Agnes...b. 8th July 1873 in Ipswich, Qld, Australia
I have references of all the births that were here in Australia and reference to the 1st two from the shipping records. Have also traced the family back on the wife's (Agnes) side. She was Agnes Muir born 6 Nov, 1829 in Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. She and Alexander married in Kilwinning. Her parents were John Muir and Isabella Smith and they lived at Bridgend Lane in Kilwinning.
Isabella was one of the daughters of Hugh Smith and Janet McBride and they married on 17 May 1828. John's parents were Robert Muir and Jean Jack.
Thanks again though for trying, but I am sure we have this information correct.
Regards
smcd (Shirley)
from Australia
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Hi Shirley
I have done a quick search on Scotlands people re the births of the children of James and Elizabeth.
These were :
03/11/1816 MCDOUGAL CATHARIN JAMES MCDOUGAL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERI FR1228 F Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0030 0512
2 08/06/1838 MCDOUGAL JAMES JAMES MCDOUGAL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY FR2267 M Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0070 0158
3 07/11/1834 MCDOUGAL MALCOM JAMES MCDOUGAL/ISABELLA MONTGOMERY FR2223 M Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0070 0072
4 12/07/1829 MCDOUGAL MARY STEWART JAMES MCDOUGAL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY FR2142 F Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0060 0292
5 11/01/1819 MCDOUGAL NEIL JAMES MCDOUGAL/ELISABETH MONTGOMERY FR1255 M Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0030 0565
6 15/04/1821 MCDOUGAL ROBERT JAMES MCDOUGAL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERIE FR2011 M Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0060 0041
7 06/05/1827 MCDOUGALL ALEXANDER JAMES MCDOUGALL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY FR2115 M Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0060 0238
8 11/05/1823 MCDOUGALL JANET JAMES MCDOUGALL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY FR2045 F Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0060 0102
9 12/06/1825 MCDOUGALL SUSAN KING JAMES MCDOUGALL/ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY FR2089 F Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0060 0188
10 18/10/1831 MCDOWAL MARGARET STEWAR JAMES MCDOWAL/ELIZA MONTGOMERY FR2170 F Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0060 0346
As you can see James Surname has been mistranscribed in a few places but am confident these are the same family. But this confirms the list you have as being correct I think. Marion is not there tho. It would seem she wasn't part of this family and if you look at Catherin's date of birth it would be impossible.
Ann
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Hi Shirley
There is also evidence on Scotlands People to support Susan McDougall marrying John Duncan
30/11/1851 MCDOUGAL SUSAN JOHN DUNCAN/FR3222 F Abbey /RENFREW 559/ 0090 0438
To answer your point about her middle name - this could have been a family name, family friend or even someone like an employer or a Minister that the family knew well (was often done as a mark of respect). I have a lot of instances of this in my own family.
There is no marriage on Scotland's People between a Susan McDougall and Andrew Morren. (I have searched using widcards across the whole of Scotland and nothing there).
Catherin as first girl would normally be named after her maternal grandmother tho the naming convention isn't 100% foolproof - tho a pretty good guide. Will see if I can find a birth for Elizabeth with parents John and Catherin(e).
Ann
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Hi shirley
Apologies this is piecemeal but have to do in chunks or will get tied in knots!
Re Malcolm - see the list of children above. There is a Malcolm born 1834 so that answers that one!
Ann
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Hi Shirley
Elizabeth Montgomery/Montgomerie's parents were Daniel (so son Neil named after him) and mother Margaret (maiden name Alexander)
She died as a widow in Houston Square Johnstone on 19/11/1870 Aged 75
Ann
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Hi Shirley
You queried Alexander being listed as a mill worker at aged 14. This would have been quite normal for the time as a lot of children either did not attend school at all or only on a part-time basis. So I don't think is a transcription error.
You also asked where the name John would have come from in relation to Alexander and Agnes's family. Agnes' father being John would be where I'd put my money.
Ann
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Hi
I omitted to say that Elizabeth's death was reported by Catherine Craig her daughter.
Ann
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thanks ann,
firstly, there is a daniel montgomery aged 76 living in high street on the 1841 census.
1871 census- 26 mcdowall street, johnstone
catherine craig...age 53...mill worker
janet craig...age 30...mill worker
margaret craig...age 27...mill worker
will find the other census details for catherine...
Joe
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Joe
Catherine's death cert says she died 1877 - wdow of John Craig
Ann
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Hello Again to Ann and to Joe
I do hope you don't mind that I am including you both on the one reply again, but you have both been so very kind with your research on my behalf and I would be saying the same things twice in two different replies if I did not do it this way.
to be honest I have been delighted that the two of you have cared to assist me with the McDougall family research. What you have both sent in the last day or so has been fabulous. However, I must also confess that I have had a very busy weekend here and therefore have not had the time to truly digest the information or to put it into perspective with the existing information that I have. Tomorrow I have a friend coming who is expecting that I have organised a lot of material regarding Doug's Mother's Father's side of the family who were Danish. Because I have become so involved back with the McDougall research over the past week since I discovered Roots Chat, I have not touched the Danish information. I am sure we will muddle through tomorrow, and then I will get back to the research you two wonderful people have been assisting me with.
Give me at least another 48 hours to get back to you, but just know that I am absolutely thrilled that we seem to be getting this McDougall family sorted. Again thank you so much for your wonderful assistance to date.
With Best Regards
smcd (Shirley)
from Australia
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Hello Again Ann and also Joe
Life has been busy here with Christmas just around the corner, but I have nevertheless been drawn back to the computer constantly in between other things to input all the information that between you both, I have received through this newly discovered website. The amount of information that I have received as a result of your kindness has been overwhelming.
Firstly, Ann, you seem to have been into Scotlands People on my behalf and gathered a good deal of information re the McDougalls. In adding this info to my family tree, I have also rechecked with the IGI on www.familysearch.org. I feel that I have come a long way in establishing the actual family of James McDougall (McDougal) and his wife Elizabeth Montgomery/Montgomerie--my husband, Doug's, Great Great Grandparents.
Previously I did not have a Malcolm McDougall as a son to James and Elizabeth and that is now listed on the IGI, though Ann you found a Malcolm in Scotlands people but with a James McDougall and an Isabella Montgomery as the parents. I am a bit confused by this... and would love this checked if you could do that for me.
Also the IGI list does not include a Robert McDougall b 7/4/1821, but I am certain there is one as suggested by the references you have from Scotland's people.
I am thrilled that you have established the parents of Elizabeth Montgomerie too Ann--thank you for that. This just wets my appetite to know if there is more information about this family lurking in Scotland's People????
So I now have the children of Elizabeth and James McDougal/McDougall as:
Cathrin/Christian (F)/Catherine...b. 1816
Neil...b. 1819
Robert...b. 1821
Janet...b.1823
Susan King...b. 1825
Alexander... b. 1827 My husband's Great Grandfather
Mary Stewart...b. 1829
Margaret Stewart...b. 1831
Malcolm...b.1834
James...b. 1838
I would love any other bits and pieces on these people. We have been told one of Alexander's sisters also came to Australia--possibly even before he and his wife, Agnes Muir (of Kilwinning) and their family came here. Alexander was my husband's Great, Great Grandfather.
Interestingly, Alexander and Agnes's children's names closely resemble those above. They were:
Isabella MCDOUGALL...b. 1852 in Scotland (named after the Agnes's Mother)
James MCDOUGALL...b. 1855 in Scotland (died at sea on way to Aust)--named after Father's Father and Father's brother.
John MCDOUGALL...b. 1857 in Aust. Named after Agnes's Father (John Muir)
Alexander MCDOUGALL...b.1858 Named after his Father
Robert MCDOUGALL...b. 1860 Named after Father's brother
Malcolm MCDOUGALL...b. 1862 Named after Father's brother. This is Doug's Grand Father
James MCDOUGALL...b. 1867 Named after the brother who died enroute to Australia and also the Father's Brother and Father
Agnes MCDOUGALL...b.1873 Named after her Mother--Agnes Muir
You will see from this that it is all coming together nicely. I have not found which of the sisters might have come to Australia. I thought it may have been Susan, and then when Althea from NZ wrote about Susan, I thought she may have gone to NZ instead. Now, I think Althea's Susan is not the same and we know from Scotland's People that our Susan in fact continued to live in Scotland.
If you do turn up any more information on this family as they lived and died in Scotland, I would be most grateful. Any references would be hdlpful also so that I can include them against the information I get.
Again my many thanks for the assistance you have given me.
Warm regards
smcd (Shirley)
Maroochydore Queensland Australia
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On freecen the 1841 census shows Malcolms mother as Bell (Isabella) but on IGI there are two different entries for his birth 1834 one mother Elizabeth Montgomerie and the other Isabella! Have you searched for her death?
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Hello 'seekthem'
I appreceiate your reply to the previous positing I had on this site. A previous posting by Althea said, and I quote:
"... McDougall/Montgomrie of Johnstone
« on: Wednesday 25 October 06 21:07 BST (UK) » Reply with quote
See lots of interest lately with McDougall name. Anyone following Elizabeth Montgomrie and James McDougall/McDugall.
1841 census Elizabeth is a widow at Johnstone aged 45, entereed as Bell or ?Beth
Children Robert, Janet, Susana, Alexr, Malcom and James...."
Following that a posting by Joekar said, and I quote:
"1841 census- graham street, johnstone
bell (nickname)...age 45...widow
robert...age 20...printer foundry
janet...age 18...mill worker
susan...age 16...mill worker
malcolm...age 7
james...age 2
alexander...age 44...mill worker
robert montgomery....age 21
Joe"
Now, I have your posting regarding the two entries. I do not have access to the Census information which is why I have been so appreciative of the assistance given by all these wonderful people. If there are two different entries for Malcolm's birth, is it possible to do a 'cut and paste' of that information for me.
A posting by Ann Baker for me gave Elizabeth's death details as follows:
" Hi Shirley
Elizabeth Montgomery/Montgomerie's parents were Daniel (so son Neil named after him) and mother Margaret (maiden name Alexander)
She died as a widow in Houston Square Johnstone on 19/11/1870 Aged 75
Ann"
Ann also mentioned that Elizabeth Montgomery's death was reported by Catherine Craig who was her daughter.
I am grateful for whatever information I can get on this whole family, including all the sons and daughters of James McDougall and Elizabeth Montgomery, and the references of where the information is taken from.
It has taken me a while to input all that wonderful information I have already received into my Family Tree, and it is exciting to see all the extra detail there that has been forthcoming.
ALSO could you please tell me how to access "free census" material?
Best regards
smcd (Shirley)
Maroochydore, Queensland, Australia
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Hi Shirley,
Try www.freecen.org.uk (or just google freencen uk) the site is free but not all information is on it but it can be really handy.
The two different entries for Malcolms birth I got from the IGI www.familysearch.org when you have searched under his name look to the oblong box to the right of the page and it lists IGI uk, search on that and it should give you more details.
Good luck
Liz
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Hi Liz
Thanks you for trying to help me. I have been into the familysearch.org site and have found both Malcolm McDougall's with thier different mothers, though one's surname for McDougall is different from the other (if that makes a difference)... However, I am not sure what you mean re the oblong box to the right of the page where it lists IGI uk????? Have also tried the freecen.org.uk site, but have found nothing. Perhaps it is me...
Cheers Shirley
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Hi Shirely re free cen
Try 1841 type in McDougall Susan, tick phonetic box, highlight Renfrewshire and find. Susana McDugall should be the last one under Abbey. This will show you whole family, including Malcolm, living in Johnstone.
Good luck
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My name is David McDougall, USA. I am the Great Grand son of Malcolm McDougall as listed as born in Johnstone Scotland Nov 11, 1834. His two brothers James and Robert also came to US in the 1850s and settled in North & South Carolina. Have copy of obituary listing telling that Malcolm McDougall was a member of the Queens own Regimental Band before coming to USA. Seems we may be of some relations distantly.
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David from USA, additionally, my middle name is Alexander, which must have come from Alexander listed as a son of James. Also, one of Malcolm sons who died in North Carolina in the early 1900s name was, John Hamilton Montgomery McDougall. My Great Grandmother was Janet Houston.
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Hi Again
Thank you so much for the reply and for the reply to our email and photo. I have found all of this in our email box this morning and we are very excited about this new contact with you, but will be away all day today and also possibly tomorrow. There is so much I need to write and send, and I am sure you also have much such as the obituary you speak of to share and write to us. I just need a couple of days before I will have the time to get my head back around the McDougall's, as since I felt I had hit a brick wall previously, I have been putting all time and efforts into other branches of the family tree. I will be in touch as soon as I can get these next two days behind us.
Best regards
smcd (Shirley & Doug)
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Hi Shirley
The info you need and the online certs are all at Scotland's People. Is pay per view fraid but at just over £1 for a cert good value.
Best wishes ;D
Ann
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Oops Scotland;s People can be found at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
8)
Ann
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Thanks Ann.
I have not had a lot to do with Scotland's People as I guess I hit a brick wall over 12 months' ago and did get some information from the Scotland' People website from kind people at the time who had access to it, so it has not been until now when I have had a contact from a gentleman in USA who has discovered my previous postings re the McDougall family from Johnstone, Renfrewshire, Scotland that I have bothered to do research on this family as I have had other branches that have been more productive for time spent over the past 12 to 18 months. I do appreciate your suggestion though.
Also note that you are interested in the Muir family. Our Alexander McDougall, son of James McDougall & Elizabeth Montgomery married an Agnes Muir b. 6/11/1829 in Kilwinning. Her parents were John Muir b. about 1803 and Isobel Smith born 17 April 1799 in Irvine, Ayr, Scotland. John Muir's parents were John Muir and Margaret Ferguson we believe. Isobel Smith's parents were Hugh Smith and Janet McBride. Could this be a connection to your Muir family?????
Kind regards
Shirley