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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: signalman on Wednesday 25 October 06 19:47 BST (UK)
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HI ALL , looking for the payne families of Little Hulton who were miners from Shropshire (Dawley ) they settled in Bridgewater St and Worseley Rd ,Theophilus Payne became a greengrocer in Worseley Rd on the 1901 census ,though not strictly related to me but to my wife Christine Shepherd , we have a copy of a page from the family bible starting with James Payne (originally the name was pain ,then Paine) who married an Ester Chilton (I think) and they had 18 children of which 3 died young,I would love to know if any Paynes are still up there in Lancashire . Signalman
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I have heard of Theophilus Payne before I am sure during my web searches on the Paynes. Not sure if it was you who posted, but if you Google you might find something.
I'm jealous of one thing - Theophilus is a rare name - most of my Paynes are either James or John for one generation after another.... it gets very confusing.
Happy hunting.
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HI TONY ,,well all of my Paynes came from Shropshire , not only did we have those names in the family but we had Isiaah ,Isaac and some other biblical names . Signalman
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Hi signalman,
On the marriage cert of my very elusive gt grandmother Sarah Payne born 1860, her father is George Payne a tile maker.
Her husband John Jones was a coal miner born in in 1885 they were living in Tyldesley, Lancs which is only about 3 miles from Little Hulton.
I've now got reason to believe that she too came from Shropshire as when she died in 1900 her baby son Samuel was looked after by the Stanley family from Dawley Salop.
Do you think that she could be part of your wife's Payne family?
Regards,
Pat
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HI FRENCHIE, This is possible that your Paynes and our Paynes are one and the same ,our SARAH PAYNE was born in october 1841 however Little Hulton in Lancs does strike a chord as William Payne and Mary (who married Benjamin Rowley) were both miners as was Theophilus brother of William although Theo in 1901 had gone into business as a Greengrocer in i think Worsely Rd . It would be interesting to compare notes via e-mail . Signalman
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Hi all Paynes,
Saw your correspondence and just thought I'd add this -
My gg grandfather, Abraham Wild (1819) was an 1820 Settler to South Africa. He married Ann (Annie) Payne, daughter of Elisha Payne who was also an 1820 Settler. Have a look at the settler parties on the 1820Settler.com website - it just struck me when I say that some of the Paynes had biblical names!
Happy hunting!
Tisy
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My mother had a cousin who was a Payne, Florence who then married a Wallwork.
She lived in Hodge Road in Walkden. My mother was a Jones from Dawley Shropshire
Freda
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Hi Tisy and Freda,
Good to have you on the thread.
The PAYNES are a frustrating bunch - seems that there are so many of us all over England that are in the same area but not necessarily related, well at least not unless you go back to the mid 1700's or earlier, and then the records are sketchy and of course not online.
A lot of people had biblical names going back, more country people I think, although I could be wrong.
If you know anything more about your Payne ancestors please post it, it would be nice to try and find a link. You just never know what you might find..
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Hi Tom,
Ann Payne was my great-great grandmother. She was born in 1823 in the Eastern Cape of South Africa, probably somewhere near Grahamstown in the Albany District, and was the daughter of Elisha Payne (1820 Settler) born 1795 in England and Annie Hall born 1795 in England (1820 Settler). She died 29 April 1896 at Wooldridge, Peddie District, Eastern Cape, South Africa. This is where I grew up.
She married Abraham Wild (born 1814 at Shaw, Oldham, England) (1820 Settler) and they had eight children, one of whom was Henry William Wild born 18 March 1864 who was my great-grandfather.
I am not sure where the Paynes came from in England, but will go into the 1820 Settler records and come back to you with this. The 1820 Settler story is an interesting one - they were a group of almost 5000 people who were recruited from all over the British Isles to migrate to South Africa. After the Napoleonic War ended there were many unemployed people in the U.K. and this was a good way of dealing with the problem. As with all migrations, they had an incredible struggle to get on their feet. Do go into the 1820Settler.com website - it is worth a look.
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HI Tony ,Frenchie,and Tisy. Signalman here Ive been in touch with a lady named Anne Williamson on Genes Reunited who is related to the Paynes , she sent me a photo of two people (man ,woman )ages ago and ive lost the explanation as to who the are . The photo was taken by Frank Reeve with an address in Bolton who is obviously a professional photographer , now if I can work out how to post it on this site I will let you see ,perhaps it might jog ones memory or you may have a similer photo
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Hi all Paynes,
Thanks for the photos Signalman! The male looks so much like my late brother it was quite uncanny. My Paynes who were 1820 settlers to S. Africa apparently came from Wiltshire. They came on the ship the "Weymouth" in Ford's party. They were -
Elijah Payne (not Elisha as I said previously) b. 1794
Mary b. ?? his wife
Mary Payne b. 1818 their daughter (born in England)
There were probably more children born in S. Africa between this lot and my gg Grannie Annie who married Abraham Wild. I will try to find them.
There was another Payne family - they were probably brothers - who came on the same ship in Liversage's party -
Thomas Payne b. 1787
Sarah, his wife, b. ?
James Payne - son b. 1813 (born in England)
John Payne - son, b. 1817 (born in England)
Thomas Payne - son b. 1809 in England
William Payne - son b. 1811 in England
The Weymouth's emigres were well documented after their arrival in South Africa, and if anyone wants more info, let me know.
Tisy
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Hi Tisy,
I think there are more Paynes in the Bolton area, most likely not related to mine, but the names James, John and Thomas are all family names for me, however they are als common names as well, so that doesn't mean anything.
I I can check back I would like to get more information on some of my late 1700's Paynes. You just never know. Emmigration to the New Worlds was a big thing back then, new opportunities for those who either had little or those who wanted to make their fortune elsewhere.
Good Luck in your hunting and I will work on mine - might have to wait a few months, but I aim to work on it.
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Hi Tisy,
I've come across your Elijah Payne before whilst researching my own Elijah Payne born 1811, son of Simeon, this family were from Knook and Longbridge Deverill in Wiltshire. A lot of them seem to be Weavers.
I've assumed there must be a connection somewhere down the line.
Apparently the use of the more archaic biblical names in this family indicates they were non-conformist, there's even a Zebedee!
Your family story sounds fascinating, good luck with your research.
cad
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Hello Tisy
I am new to this forum and have just registered today....only because I am hopeful that I might find a link to add to my tree.
I would be very interested in finding out more about your Payne family link - I am a Payne from South Africa and my g-grandfather Ernest William Payne was born in Wynberg, Cape in Oct 1886 (one of I believe 4 children that I have been able to trace).......his parents being Alfred Ernest Payne and Mary Johanna (have no further info on them).
This line of my family tree continues to frustrate me - I have been researching for the last 15 years and am not getting very far - but from reading your messages I am feeling hopeful that I might be near to a breakthrough. Do you think that you might be able to help or can you suggest a lead I can follow!
Looking forward to your reply - or any other reponses.
Hi all Paynes,
Saw your correspondence and just thought I'd add this -
My gg grandfather, Abraham Wild (1819) was an 1820 Settler to South Africa. He married Ann (Annie) Payne, daughter of Elisha Payne who was also an 1820 Settler. Have a look at the settler parties on the 1820Settler.com website - it just struck me when I say that some of the Paynes had biblical names!
Happy hunting!
Tisy
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Hi Cad,
My Paynes from Hinckley in Leicestershire around the same time were in the Hosiery business. Might be a link.
I need to look up my Paynes in the early 1800's because I have James, John and William, maybe they headed off to South Africa, who knows. I know my grandmother (a Hurst who married a Payne) visited South Africa in the 1950's, but I think this was just on a cruise, I know nothing of any family down there. Anyone who might have known is of course long gone now :(
Hi Tisy,
I've come across your Elijah Payne before whilst researching my own Elijah Payne born 1811, son of Simeon, this family were from Knook and Longbridge Deverill in Wiltshire. A lot of them seem to be Weavers.
I've assumed there must be a connection somewhere down the line.
Apparently the use of the more archaic biblical names in this family indicates they were non-conformist, there's even a Zebedee!
Your family story sounds fascinating, good luck with your research.
cad