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Title: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Wednesday 25 October 06 14:45 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

I was just on the Government of Canada Library Site and they have now put the passenger lists for 1865 to 1922 on-line.  They are not indexed (I'm sure ancestry will do that soon), but you can search by year and port, and view the original images. 

This is so exciting.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-130-e.html

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 26 October 06 04:10 BST (UK)
We are so fortunate to have access to so much information...!   J.J.
   
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: polarbear on Friday 27 October 06 03:53 BST (UK)
What a wonderful resource to now have on line! Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention.

Regards,
Polarbear
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Friday 27 October 06 04:43 BST (UK)
Karen, In case people miss this, would you mind adding it to our resources child board under Ship Lists - Emigrants to Canada?

I haven't tried it yet, but will soon...! J.J.
Title: Returning WWI Soldiers - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Friday 27 October 06 13:52 BST (UK)
Sure JJ, I can do that.

Also, for those people who had men and woman who served in WWI, the passenger lists have the returning solidiers on them, they are in alphabetical order, some are a little hard to read, but they give the next of kin and the address of where they are headed.  The military lists seems to be at the back of the lists, so for instance if there are 52 pages, go to the last page and search backwards.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Friday 27 October 06 17:16 BST (UK)
Oh, that is so cool...again...I'm going to add a link to this info to the Canadian Soldiers / Database Links ? I'll just modify the first entry and link to this message perhaps?

There's already 2 pages going, so it might get overlooked otherwise....

Thanks a million....this is going to be so great!!!!    J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: atth2o on Sunday 05 November 06 15:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Karen,

Thanks for the heads up.  I just found my grandfather and his Aunt & Uncles family that came on a separate ship.   :D

Nancy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Monday 06 November 06 18:01 GMT (UK)
That's great Nancy!!

I see the National Archives in England is doing the same for outbound passenger lists at www.ancestorsonboard.com  at the moment you can search at www.findmypast.com 1890 to 1899, it of course is a pay per view site, but you can see the names of people and the port they arrived in.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: 01debbie on Monday 06 November 06 18:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Karen,

Wow, what a useful site...& it's free!!  I recently discovered that my Gx2 Grandparents went out to Canada sometime after 1871 & returned (to England) by 1879.  They were in Toronto.  Have you any idea which port they might have landed at if they were going onto Toronto?  I appreciate they could've landed at an obvious port & gone anywhere, but it would help me to search.  All I have at the moment is the time span & I'm getting masses of returns.

Any advice would be VERY gratefully received!!

Best wishes,

Debbie...in a cold & foggy Southampton
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Monday 06 November 06 19:08 GMT (UK)
Hello Debbie,

Well, you know their daughter Alice, (I think) was born in 1875 in Toronto, so if it was me I would backwards from that date.  As to which Port, that's hard to say really.  I've attached a map for you to see the direct route from Quebec City, PQ and Montreal, PQ to Toronto, Ontario.

Where do you think they may have left from in England?  Pehaps the Port of Departure would help narrow things down?

Karen..in a sunny, but cold Ontario  :)

Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: 01debbie on Monday 06 November 06 19:33 GMT (UK)
Thank you Karen.  The map will be very useful.  They originated from The Isle Of Wight, which is off the south coast of England...a hop & a skip across the Solent from Southampton.  Now I'm assuming, that maybe they'd have departed from Southampton, London or maybe even Plymouth...but I'd be guessing!  I know for certain they were back here in 1879 as that's when my G Grandmother, Ellen was born.

So the hunt continues... :)

Best wishes,

Debbie
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: PrueM on Monday 06 November 06 19:55 GMT (UK)
THanks so much for that link, Karen  :)
I had already found my g-gran's sister, Maud Ingram, in the Home Children database a few years back, but to see her name on the ship manifest was really something.  Poor little thing was only 15, sent away from her 7 siblings in London to the other side of the world  :'(
Prue
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Monday 06 November 06 21:37 GMT (UK)
Oh, Prue...so sorry, I do hope she didn't have too rough a life. Some did have good people they ended up with....Breaks my heart to hear what some had to go through and endure...Such a sad time  :-\  J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: PrueM on Monday 06 November 06 23:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your thoughts, JJ  :)

I don't know what kind of life Maud had in Canada...her brother was a merchant sailor and visited her a couple of times and sent postcards to the other siblings saying she was doing well.  We next see Maud in 1920 in New York, servant for a family from Canada.  Lose track of her after that in the paperwork, but she married a New Yorker and they ended up going to California.  Had two kids, and some grandkids...Maud died in 1986 aged 90, so I guess life got better for her eventually  :)  As far as I know, she didn't visit England again though  :'(

Prue
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Dale on Thursday 09 November 06 10:38 GMT (UK)
Kia Ora Karen M
You wee beaut! I know it was 1870 that my Faireys arrived so am ploughing my way through!!
Do you recall mentioning that I could get Land Records? To whom would I write? I have a likely person to search Baysville/McLean Records but need to tell them where to go - politely!!!
Thankyou again!
Marlene
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: janan on Thursday 09 November 06 10:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks Karen
I have a 1911 postcard with name of ship and date of arrival - it is unsigned but was always thought to be from my grandma's younger brother who we knew emigrated to Toronto before WW1. Searched the passenger list no sign of Fred but there was her older brother William George who we had no idea went to Canada :D Have since found him on 1911 census and his marriage in Cobalt in 1913.
Cheers Jan ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Zelley on Thursday 09 November 06 11:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks Karen
I have a 1911 postcard with name of ship and date of arrival - it is unsigned but was always thought to be from my grandma's younger brother who we knew emigrated to Toronto before WW1. Searched the passenger list no sign of Fred but there was her older brother William George who we had no idea went to Canada :D Have since found him on 1911 census and his marriage in Cobalt in 1913.
Cheers Jan ;)

I would welcome help in finding the date & the ship in 1883 that William & Elizabeth Zelley and three of their daughters arrived
in Canada from England.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Wendl on Saturday 11 November 06 01:56 GMT (UK)
Hi there...

Looking for someone's interrpretation to help me define a year of immigration for my grt grandfather James Thompson....

I have a marriage entry for him from Smithfalls, Ontario....states, "James Thompson, Smith falls, lately of Londonderry Ireland to Miss Grace Wilkie Walker, Smiths falls by D N Coburn Monday" ....appeared 12 Sep 1913 in the Perth courier newspaper.

My thots are that he immigrated sometime in 1913? anyone concur???

All the Best
Wendy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 11 November 06 03:12 GMT (UK)
Depends on how wide that single person's span of interpretation for lately was...
everyone's is different...within the year would be mine...but some might say otherwise...husband thinks it could mean a great deal of time...
 Well, at least you have a date to go backwards from! ;D  and since I am also looking for a James "Thomson"....one of umpteen dozens of similar age...I wish you all the luck in finding him! ;)  J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 11 November 06 03:44 GMT (UK)
As long as he was born within a year of 1878...don't see him on the 1911 as they are all married ( including the one in Smith falls ;)...( but if his age was out,  there's 54 more ;D)   Census began June 1st
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Wendl on Saturday 11 November 06 03:59 GMT (UK)
Hi J.J.

Thanks for your insight....his d.o.b is a bit of a quandry....He lists his birthday as 31 Jan 1877 on his Canadian enlistment papers for WW1....however, when I search for him in Londonderry, there is an entry on the IGI...with his parents...31 Jan 1874???  Soooo, it's a bit of a guesstamat at this point...the marriage record from the Ontario Archives says he's 35 yrs in 1913....so that puts him born in 1878....ahhhh, no joy! hee hee hee

All the best
Wendy 
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 11 November 06 04:21 GMT (UK)
Well the name Livingston isn't there for the mother...not saying it isn't his . but because he has stated on his marriage recently that he is that age, that's the age he "hopefully" will have stated on his recent voyage... :P 
( She says...weaseling in and out of this one  ;) )


*I looked at this again and I did'nt word it very well...meant to add that as he'd also stated a similar age on CEF papers these seemed to be the age he remembers....
so hopefully there aren't too many Irish James Thompsons as you have quite a range!  ;D

I haven't looked for my James Thomson , but I think I may have found him on an index...it only goes to 1910, but if you're patient the goal is to do up to 1920....
http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/
with hundreds of the same name & similar age, plus no others travelling with him to identify, I probably will still have trouble singling mine out.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Monday 13 November 06 19:40 GMT (UK)
Kia Ora Karen M
You wee beaut! I know it was 1870 that my Faireys arrived so am ploughing my way through!!
Do you recall mentioning that I could get Land Records? To whom would I write? I have a likely person to search Baysville/McLean Records but need to tell them where to go - politely!!!
Thankyou again!
Marlene

Hi Dale,

The Muskoka Land Registry Office is located at 15 Dominion Street, Bracebridge ON P1L 2E7.  Tell your friend to go to the office, which I believe is beside the Court House, go to the counter and tell the staff that he/she wants to have a look at the Title book for Lot ??, Conc. ?? in The Township of ??.  They will help him get the book, then he just has to turn to the page to the correct lot and concession.  I'm attaching a copy of what's called "abstract of title" which is what your friend will be looking for in the book.  Good Luck and let us know how you/he makes out.

Karen

Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Monday 13 November 06 19:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks Karen
I have a 1911 postcard with name of ship and date of arrival - it is unsigned but was always thought to be from my grandma's younger brother who we knew emigrated to Toronto before WW1. Searched the passenger list no sign of Fred but there was her older brother William George who we had no idea went to Canada :D Have since found him on 1911 census and his marriage in Cobalt in 1913.
Cheers Jan ;)

Jan,

That's a great story.  How lucky you are to have the postcard!!

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: janan on Monday 13 November 06 20:15 GMT (UK)

How lucky you are to have the postcard!!


Yes. It's a lovely card - the picture was taken on the voyage showing the sea and part of The Empress of Ireland during a storm. I would not have wanted to be on board :D

Jan ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Monday 13 November 06 20:44 GMT (UK)
Hmmm, with such interesting postcards, Jan & Karen...Maybe you two could start a postcard site ....I remember your postcards, Karen, so unique!!! What a great souvenir you have, Jan...and with information on it to boot...bonus!
  I love that stuff....J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: janan on Monday 13 November 06 20:57 GMT (UK)
JJ
Yes it was very helpful of him to carefully write down the name of the ship and date and place of arrival - did he guess that in nearly 100 years time his great niece would be trying to trace him :D
Jan ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Monday 13 November 06 21:00 GMT (UK)
When I went up to reread Jan's reply, I saw the Zelley query, and I was sure that I'd answered it...crazy browser doesn't like rootschat lately.... ::)  :P

anyway:

William and Elizabeth arrived in Halifax Nova Scotia in 1884...with daughters...
Annie, Kate & Rose... $7.23US/$8.31Cdn.  for the information which will list all passengers they were travelling with also...
http://www.ingeneas.com/free/index.html put in surname, then on next page hit the image for your results... J.J.

p.s.....good thing you didn't trawl through the 1883 listings... ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Monday 13 November 06 21:14 GMT (UK)
Well Done JJ on Zelley's information.

I know on some of them it says "British Bonus Allowed", anyone have any thoughts as to what that means exactly?  Do you think it was money?

Jan, my grandfather loved to tell the story of when they came over to Canada from Birmingham and his younger brother spent the whole trip "looking over the side of the ship", LOL  My poor gr-grandmother was pregnant and had 4 kids when she sailed, I don't think I could have done it.  I Have trouble with 3 going to the grocery store  ;D 

I had a postcard that said "arrived Sept. 21, 1907" and a name, for the longest time I knew it must be something, obviously, but could not figure it out, then finally once the 1911 census came out, I found out that it was a postcard with the birth of a new daughter for my gr-uncle who had left to go west.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Dale on Monday 13 November 06 21:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Karen M and many many thanks for your 'gems"! Thanks to the passenger lists i have now found that my Thomas F travelled with a wife Hannah, daughters Sarah Ann , Hannah and a surprise addition LUCY , an infant, in April/May 1870
BEST of all the party included his brother John (exactly the brother I had hoped it would be!)

John & the wife he left behind in England have completely disappeared off the radar after 1871 but their children grew up with their grandparents. (Another wee mystery to solve!)

Thanks very much for the info re the Land Deeds I'll get that organised but it's not so crucial now I know it was John that travelled to Canada!

A huge debt of gratitude to yourself and JJ who have steered me through "foreign" territory  and established the whereabouts of another branch of my family.
I owe you 2!
Best Regards
Marlene
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Monday 13 November 06 21:46 GMT (UK)
A big thank you like that always works for me  8)  ;D  You are most welcome!
I thoroughly enjoy it...and it's only slightly addicting <ahem> right, Karen?
 J.J.

p.s. Karen your gr grandmother was a trooper... :)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Dale on Monday 13 November 06 22:20 GMT (UK)
Just have to add to postcards saga!
I discovered one of mine had died in WW1 in France.
I then discovered a wonderful fellow with an interest in military history who, from the War Diaries, constructed the story of William's last year of life.
I discovered he came from St Albans Herts and on the off chance wrote to the Museum there.

It seems when his wife died their children donated all William's medals, photos in uniform, newspaper clippings etc to the Museum. The most wonderful gift was digital photos of the postcards he had sent home! Highly embroidered and very colourful. They kindly sent me copies of most of the collection including a letter from his wife which was returned to her as he had died.!
Might be worth trying for others??.
Regards
Marlene
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Monday 13 November 06 22:55 GMT (UK)
Hmmm....Marlene...should put that onto the armed forces site...

  The postcard thing is sounding better all the time...they host genealogy pages here on rootschat... Husband's family has postcards, also from his Grandfather with fancy illustrations....wartime costuming & uniforms from the great war...
 Will ask Prue how hard/easy it is to do...not the web pages, that's easy...but the uploading to the site, etc...... :D Does it sound like a good idea, in other words, will people contribute?
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 14 November 06 00:22 GMT (UK)
By the way, to clarify,  I mean the actual postcard...illustration, whatever, not the personal contents... ;D J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Dale on Tuesday 14 November 06 00:35 GMT (UK)
I'd be happy to post a couple of mine as long as someone provides the 1,2,3, of how to do it!
You're dealing with a computer dumbie here!
Cheers
Marlene
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 14 November 06 00:40 GMT (UK)
Does it sound like a good idea, in other words, will people contribute?

JJ, I think it sounds like a great idea!!

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 14 November 06 00:44 GMT (UK)
Dale,

That is so fantastic that you found them on the passenger list and the name of the brother, I'm so excited for you!!

It would still be nice to get the deeds, they would have their original signatures on them, which I always think is nice to have, really brings them to life, if you know what I mean.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Dale on Tuesday 14 November 06 01:34 GMT (UK)
WWWEEELLLL! Thanks to you guys for getting me accurate info I have found 3 maybe 4  descendants! All from different branches and some currently  having to rethink their family info!
Don't worry my "order" for a visit to Bracebridge has already winged it's way across the Paciifc!

NOW if only I could find :
Lucy an infant on the passnger list in 1870.
William Charles 6 in 1881
Solve the mystery about Hannah Linnell?Bolton?

Oh well time might provide some answers!
Meitaki maata (thanks heaps) as the Cook Islanders say! (FIND that wee dot in the Pacific - it's where I used to live!)
Cheers
Marlene
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: janan on Tuesday 14 November 06 10:20 GMT (UK)
JJ
Think it is a good idea about the postcards. Of course if people are happy to post it the reverse side would also be fascinating 

Karen
Your gr grandmother must have been made of stronger stuff than me  :D

Jan ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Zelley on Tuesday 14 November 06 10:35 GMT (UK)
When I went up to reread Jan's reply, I saw the Zelley query, and I was sure that I'd answered it...crazy browser doesn't like rootschat lately.... ::)  :P
anyway:
William and Elizabeth arrived in Halifax Nova Scotia in 1884...with daughters...
Annie, Kate & Rose... $7.23US/$8.31Cdn.  for the information which will list all passengers they were travelling with also...
http://www.ingeneas.com/free/index.html put in surname, then on next page hit the image for your results... J.J.
p.s.....good thing you didn't trawl through the 1883 listings... ;)

Thanks very much!
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 14 November 06 10:49 GMT (UK)
Hmmm....Marlene...should put that onto the armed forces site...

  The postcard thing is sounding better all the time...they host genealogy pages here on rootschat... Husband's family has postcards, also from his Grandfather with fancy illustrations....wartime costuming & uniforms from the great war...
 Will ask Prue how hard/easy it is to do...not the web pages, that's easy...but the uploading to the site, etc...... :D Does it sound like a good idea, in other words, will people contribute?

I thought I heard my name being used in vain  ;D ;D ;D 
Loading photos/scans to a website isn't difficult, but I'm not an expert really.  My software tells me what to do and I just do it!
I reckon if you want to find out all the logistics of it, you should post an enquiry on the "Technical Help" board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,285.0.html
Lots of web experts there  :D

Prue
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Zelley on Tuesday 14 November 06 10:54 GMT (UK)
When I went up to reread Jan's reply, I saw the Zelley query, and I was sure that I'd answered it...crazy browser doesn't like rootschat lately.... ::)  :P
anyway:
William and Elizabeth arrived in Halifax Nova Scotia in 1884...with daughters...
Annie, Kate & Rose... $7.23US/$8.31Cdn.  for the information which will list all passengers they were travelling with also...

Reviewed thd data, of interest three of the birth years were wrong
e.g.  Louisa Rose Zelley was born May 1, 1881, on the list it has the birthdate
as 1883.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Dale on Tuesday 14 November 06 11:11 GMT (UK)
Zelley
I sometimes wonder if they had so many children/siblings whatever they just made up the dates!
I't'a bit like pick"n" mix lollies at the supermarket - every time they needed to record a date it varied!
The only thing you need to watch is whether a child might be bearing the name of a child who had been deceased and another child given the same name.
Or maybe Dad just had no idea of birth dates - somethings don't change!

Prue of the burning ears! The very words "technical & web experts" send shivers down my spine! One day...!
Marlene

Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: janan on Tuesday 14 November 06 11:33 GMT (UK)

 The very words "technical & web experts" send shivers down my spine! One day...!


Me too Marlene ;D
Jan ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Tuesday 14 November 06 15:03 GMT (UK)
hi karen
what a great find this site is amazin! i found my grt uncle fred jefferis on one of the list but am having difficulty trying to read the writing, i cant quite make out the post office area and his intended trade so if anyone has better eye sight than me i would be grateful if they could have a look, date of arrival is 2/8/1913 royal edward landed quebec sailed from avonmouth on 26th july 1913 , he is on page 9 as fred jefferies
so if anyone can take a peek i would be soooooooo grateful
krissy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 14 November 06 15:32 GMT (UK)
hi karen
what a great find this site is amazin! i found my grt uncle fred jefferis on one of the list but am having difficulty trying to read the writing, i cant quite make out the post office area and his intended trade so if anyone has better eye sight than me i would be grateful if they could have a look, date of arrival is 2/8/1913 royal edward landed quebec sailed from avonmouth on 26th july 1913 , he is on page 9 as fred jefferies
so if anyone can take a peek i would be soooooooo grateful
krissy

Hi Krissy,

Found Fred, he's on page 26 and he is headed for Brantford, Ontario and his trade looks to me like a fitter.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 14 November 06 15:47 GMT (UK)
Nice of you, Karen...!   :-* Sorry that we've hijacked your thread for a bit of a chat ;) 

Quote
Think it is a good idea about the postcards. Of course if people are happy to post it the reverse side would also be fascinating 
Yes it would and that can be up to people's own discretion... :) J.J.

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I thought I heard my name being used in vain     
Loading photos/scans to a website isn't difficult, but I'm not an expert really.  My software tells me what to do and I just do it!
I reckon if you want to find out all the logistics of it, you should post an enquiry on the "Technical Help" board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,285.0.html
Lots of web experts there 

 Thanks Prue...I meant that I was wondering if people could eventually upload their own once I build the site...but that's o.k...Will ask questions on that board as advised...Won't be starting anything probably until the new year, anyway.  Will pop back in here to say when I've set something up  ;) J.J.

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Reviewed thd data, of interest three of the birth years were wrong
e.g.  Louisa Rose Zelley was born May 1, 1881, on the list it has the birthdate
as 1883.
  hey, you are lucky Zelley...You already know the surname is a rare one at the time...Now if it was Smith, we'd let you go crazy!  ;D
and also, you're welcome!  J.J.

Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 14 November 06 15:54 GMT (UK)
Sorry that we've hijacked your thread for a bit of a chat ;) 

No, problem at all JJ, that's what it's all about

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 14 November 06 16:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Krissy,

Just looked at Fred's Attestation Papers from when he signed up for WWI.  He signed up Sept. 23rd, 1914 and my gr-grandfather signed up Sept. 22nd, both at Valcartier, PQ.  My gr-grandfather travelled from Brantford as well, wonder if they went together  :)  Fred states his occupation is a machinist so that would fit with a "fitter" on the passenger lists.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 14 November 06 17:39 GMT (UK)
Hey, my grandfather signed up Sept 23rd at Val Cartier, 1914 also...This is weird, huh? :)  J.J. 
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 14 November 06 17:56 GMT (UK)
That is JJ, and also your mum was in Brantford as well for WWII, as with my gr-uncle Joe who was in the RCAF in WWII.  And, we have the Royal Warwickshire Regiment in common as well.  It's a small world

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Tuesday 14 November 06 22:21 GMT (UK)
hi karen hi jj
how spooky is that , all joining up in the same place and comming from the same area, maybe they were neighbours , lets hope they all survived the war, we do know that fred did how about yours?
thanks for clearing things up karen i just couldnt work it out and that was with glasses and a magnifying glass hee hee ::)
well now at least i have an area to work from so im gonna get diggin again
thanks again
krissy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 15 November 06 00:16 GMT (UK)
   Sorry, mine didn't come from Brantford...Not even sure if he was in Winnipeg or B.C. before he signed up, as he lived in both for a while...Haven't sent for his papers yet, but should be able to soon...There will be lots on him, as he was injured a lot, so I need lots of dough...he was also buried alive for quite a long time after a bombing. They were digging him up to bury him properly, and found him alive....at least that's the family story. (we shall see the official interpretation...haha ...have seen some family legends fall flat, so one must always brace oneself for whatever?)
   He never did get over the gassings, but he lived to also participate in WW2, although not overseas...and to see his first 2 Grandchildren...I wasn't one of the lucky ones, however :'(  J.J.
( oh, now I've gone and made myself sad....)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Wednesday 15 November 06 00:30 GMT (UK)
Well mine survived the war, that's him under my name  :) , however shortly after returning home, he dissappeared never to be heard of again.  Found out about 8 years ago that he went back to England, changed his name back to the original (changed our name when he came to Canada in the first place) and married another woman.   ::)  I do have love letters from him to my gr-grandmother, full of kissess and hugs for her and the children, during his time in the war.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Wednesday 15 November 06 11:23 GMT (UK)
hijj,
awe !! :( what a sad story but great that he managed to see his first grandchildren, bless im!
like you i havent sent  for the papers yet but this has definatley got to be done soon.
i have been  chasing fred for so long  it really is a  must to find out what happened to him.as no one knows in the family.
miss marplesis on the case tho!
krissy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Wednesday 15 November 06 11:34 GMT (UK)
hi karen
wow what a story you have ! and such a  sad  love story ,why on earth did he come back to uk  since he obviously had a lot of feelings for your grt grandmother to keep in touch!  have you followed  up his english family?
with our fred all we know is that he came back around 1930 to see his mother and my grandad and went back never to be heard of again,  so will have to send for his military papers you never know he may well have changed his name too!
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: halsaps on Friday 17 November 06 15:54 GMT (UK)
do they have a list for people emigrating from Canada an also by name trying to find a George Alton Cherry who was in England by 1887.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Friday 17 November 06 23:37 GMT (UK)
hi karen,
have you checked out the brantford library archives wow! i found my fred there twice they have listings of all the soldiers that went to the great war and so much history on the area that fred went to? ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh im gettin closer i can feel it in me water ::)
krissy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Saturday 18 November 06 02:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Krissy,

Yes, the Brantford Library has some great information there, sorry I probably should have given you the link for it  :-[  My dad was born in Brantford and my family still live there, so if you need to know any details about it just let me know  I'm in Brantford quite a bit in the summertime, but go throughout the year as well.

We did find my gr-grandfather's second family over in England, they obviosly did not know of our existance here.  I am also also in contact with my-grandfather's siblings children, according to them they knew he had "ditched his family in Canada" and I spoke with my gr-grandmother's niece last year who still lives in Birmingham and she said she had heard he had "run off with a woman", but really only my gr-grandfather and gr-grandmother know the truth, so I like to try and keep an open mind as to what happened :)  (Mind you I'd would of like to be in heavon when they met up again  ;D )  It's a shame though that none of his children, including my grandfather ever knew what happened to him, at least they never mentioned anything.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Saturday 18 November 06 13:53 GMT (UK)
hi karen,
these stories just get sadder and sadder :'( but lucky you being near the town eh? bit far for me to go wandering about hee hee! but maybe you can let me know what sort of info is available locally, all i have is that fred went back there  in 1917 and lived at 30 high st before enlistment and then it seems 43 high st after. when he came to england c1928 he bought with him a his future wife, bu no one seems to know wether they married or if he stayed in brant. fred was never heard of again.
i had one  chatter looking and found a fred jefferies (variants) of similar age in massechusettes, so possibly he moved but not sure, i cant find any death records of him or marraige anywhere, but thanks to your help i have a starting point so if you do know of any other sources i would be grateful. its a little like your grt grandad fred argued with his dad and just took off from bristol england it was only thro this site that we found out he went to canada.
its one of those relies that you are just determined to find!!!
krissy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 09 December 06 03:21 GMT (UK)
For those who need more information, ancestry has this search for immigration
information site for free until the end of the month...
http://landing.ancestry.com/immigration/main/?o_iid=27769&o_lid=27769&o_it=27769

You can check out images, but the index won't be complete... :)  J.J.


Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Robneve on Thursday 14 December 06 15:13 GMT (UK)
The Archives are not that accurate, or they are not yet completely up to date.

A relative of mine returned from W.W. I and his service record indicates that he left Liverpool on May 21, 1919 and arrived in Halifax on May 28 1919 on board the Carmania.

The archives only have one entry for carmania and that is 1911 from New York to Halifax.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 11 January 07 15:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that info Rob... so wonder if they are going to complete those, or if the information is missing? ( How wonderful is it to have the actual date, though!?)

Does anyone know how soon after admission into Canada one was issued one's immigration papers? I am a newbie in this area....so laugh all you want...Was it upon arrival?

Thanks for the help....J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Robneve on Thursday 11 January 07 17:28 GMT (UK)

Hi J.J. I hope I have not caused confusion again with my "casual" writing.

I forgot to mention that the W.W. 1 person was Alexander Allan who had already emigrated to Canada and was returning from war service. His army service record gives the information about the ship he was on twice. One document shows him leaving Liverpool on the Carmania. Yet another document shows his arrival in Halifax on board Carmania.   Not sure what the words in brackets mean.

As far as immigration papers and my experience are concerned, you must have immigration papers  BEFORE you come to Canada. you can not apply for immigration status inside Canada unless you are a refugee. The Canadian government decides who is or is not a refugee.

Cheers,

Rob.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Thursday 08 February 07 21:17 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

Just got an email from www.Ancestorsonboard.com and they now have 1890 to 1909 on-line.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Robneve on Friday 09 February 07 01:28 GMT (UK)
Thanks Karen, that's good to know.

Hopefully they will soon get to 1919 and I can check again.

Cheers,
Rob,
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Thursday 05 April 07 15:16 BST (UK)
www.ancestorsonboard.com have just updated their database

1890-1919 now available.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Thursday 05 April 07 21:58 BST (UK)
hi karen,
thank you so much for that , my fred is on there so im well pleased what a shame its not a free site hee hee  ;D
krissy
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Thursday 05 April 07 22:11 BST (UK)

I have just had a message from findmypast and they have now put the passenger lists on their site to 1919


Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Friday 29 June 07 20:44 BST (UK)
Findmypast or www.ancestorsonboard.com has just updated the passenger lists to 1929 now.

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Friday 29 June 07 21:57 BST (UK)
 Thanks   for the information.

I have not been able to find my ancestor Felix Roberts  and his wife Lillian on the previous passenger lists but I have his marriage certificate in Epping in 1910 and he is on the Canadian census for 1911 in Manitoba. Do you think that there is any other way he could have travelled there.  I know that he was working as a Mail Clerk on the Railways in the United Kingdom and then had the same job in Canada..   He died and was buried in Canada in 1918 in the Flu epedemic.

Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 30 June 07 00:53 BST (UK)
Hi, all...
Unfortunately, sometimes only first initials were given, so you may find them that way....but I checked 1911 on FHS and Ellis Island and nothing there....unfortunately if they are initials only then you'll need to know ages...and the findmypast is a pay per view site...  J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Saturday 30 June 07 09:01 BST (UK)
Hello

Thanks for the reply I am on a yearly subscription with findmypast so I have looked through all the initial F and L and can not find anything,  I know their ages but I have also checked other age groups .

Perhaps they went in their own little boat.



Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Thursday 05 July 07 13:32 BST (UK)
Hello

I am almost 99% sure I have now found Felix and his wife, it seems that they landed in Halifax and went over on the Southwark which was bound for Portland USA.
 To be absolutely certain could you let me know where I can find the date of the 1911 census for Canada as they do appear on it.

Thank you

Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 05 July 07 15:18 BST (UK)
It began June 1....Were you able to find a passenger list with ages? J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Thursday 05 July 07 16:08 BST (UK)
Hello

No.  Instead of age it just said -Adult- but it also said that F. Roberts was a Male Clerk and having searched through nearly every F. Roberts their does not appear to be any other clerk in the period I was looking at  betwen the time he got married in England to the 1911 census or any other time that I had looked because previously to being  in  contact with Mrs Roberts son on the internet I did not know when they had gone to Canada and had spent hours trying to find them. As the census was not until June I feel that this must be the person I am looking for.

Thanks for you help 

Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 25 July 07 17:09 BST (UK)
Quote
The Archives are not that accurate, or they are not yet completely up to date.
A relative of mine returned from W.W. I and his service record indicates that he left Liverpool on May 21, 1919 and arrived in Halifax on May 28 1919 on board the Carmania.
The archives only have one entry for carmania and that is 1911 from New York to Halifax.

Check it out, Rob...those soldiers came in a day later! and there are now 19 Carmania listings so they are adding more all the time...yay.... J.J.

CARMANIA Depart-Liverpool- 1919-05-21  Arr- Halifax- 1919-05-29
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Robneve on Wednesday 25 July 07 17:25 BST (UK)

Hi  J.J. Enjoying summer I hope!!

I found Alexander on the Carmania the hard way( well, not hard, just expensive!) on Findmypast.com  I also found a godd picture of the Carmania through Googel.

However, I should re-check the archives to see what their image is like.

Cheers,
Rob.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 25 July 07 19:41 BST (UK)
 :P Heat Wave...High 30s ...Hot.... :P ( add dripping sweaty icon here) J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: krissy on Wednesday 25 July 07 22:14 BST (UK)
well hya j j 
stop makin us all jealous girl  :( its wet and miserable over here im sure we will need that ark pretty soon now if it doesnt stop :'(
hee hee didnt expect me to pop up on here did you now 
 ;D

krissy in very wet wales
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: patrexjax on Wednesday 25 July 07 22:47 BST (UK)
Hello everyone! Rootschatters rock!!! ;D My father was born in Newcastle-on-Tyne in 1888 but left to homestead in Canada. Until this very minute, I never knew where he sailed from and to....I just spotted him on the list!! So, he travelled from "Geordie land" to Liverpool and landed in Montreal in 1906!!! The rest, as they say, is history!!! A great big THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.  Pat
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Robneve on Wednesday 25 July 07 23:34 BST (UK)
J.J. Can you please tell Pat where to find the Homesteader's Index, so she can check out her father.

I forget the URL

Cheers,

Rob.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: patrexjax on Thursday 26 July 07 00:26 BST (UK)
Hello all, Thank you -- I already had obtained complete copies of my Father's homestead records from the Canadian government several years ago but the year he first homesteaded didn't quite match up with any passenger records I checked.....It appears that he waited about 4 years or so to actually do the homestead thing in Ashern, Manitoba. That's why I couldn't find him on the passenger lists -- I just hadn't gone back far enough!!! Again, my thanks to all you wonderful Rootschatters.  ;D Pat
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 18 September 07 01:46 BST (UK)
www.ancestorsonboard.com

Now has up to 1939 on-line

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 18 September 07 01:57 BST (UK)


Karen !

Is that just the ship's lists ??

Dufuss Annie  :P
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 18 September 07 02:13 BST (UK)
Index...we need an index...! :D

Are there any plans for one?

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 18 September 07 02:44 BST (UK)


Karen !

Is that just the ship's lists ??

Dufuss Annie  :P

Yes, the ships list LEAVING UK bound for other countries as well as Canada.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 18 September 07 02:46 BST (UK)
Index...we need an index...! :D

Are there any plans for one?

Cheers,
China

I believe LAC (Library and Archives Canada) is working with Ancestry and someone else (might be McGill  :-\ )to have them indexed. 

Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Tuesday 18 September 07 02:59 BST (UK)
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=655329

Canadian passenger lists 1865-1935 to be digitized and indexed...

Initially, Ancestry.ca and LAC will focus on indexing the Quebec City passenger lists from 1870 - 1900, which comprise more than 750,000 names. The digital images of these and other passenger lists are already available on the LAC web site. The index for Quebec City will be available free of charge on www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy as well as on Ancestry.ca. LAC and Ancestry.ca will continue to work together to ensure that eventually the entire Canadian passenger list collection from 1865 to 1935, which includes ports in Halifax, St. John, Vancouver, Victoria and North Sydney, is digitized and indexed.


Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Tuesday 18 September 07 08:16 BST (UK)
Thanks for letting me know.  I did actually find the person as was looking for after I has your last reply.



Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 18 September 07 15:23 BST (UK)
 Yeah, Karen, all griping about image-scanning  aside, I have to say that
 we are so lucky to have the images...and access to them  :D ... Thanks for
 telling us about the "update" at ancestors on board ;D
  J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 27 November 07 20:39 GMT (UK)
Well Karen, I know that you are sick of hearing me complain...but I do scans for people for free, and try to get the most legible scan possible...

here is a perfect example I just found of a waste of our tax dollars and time and any poor soul's time who tries to find this information online...I mean...why did they even bother with all these pages of illegible information?

http://tinyurl.com/34dq7g
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: KarenM on Friday 01 February 08 15:54 GMT (UK)
Another decade has been added to www.ancestorsonboard.com now goes up to 1949  :)

Karen
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: slyvia on Friday 01 February 08 17:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks Karen for the info.

This site is just like having one big family all helping one another

Sylvia
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: rockingrobin on Sunday 20 March 11 14:58 GMT (UK)
Hi I am trying to contact JANAM re her interest in the Conisbee name. My appologies for using this medium to make that contact but I have a great deal of information to offer her
Robin J Conisbee Wood
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: chinakay on Sunday 20 March 11 22:44 GMT (UK)
Make two more posts, Robin, anywhere except in the Totally Off Topic section, and you can send a PM.

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: janan on Monday 21 March 11 09:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Robin

I seem to have managed to send you a personal message - didn't think I would be able to as you have only made one post  ???
Thanks for getting in touch

Jan ;)
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: J.J. on Monday 21 March 11 13:01 GMT (UK)
You can send a p.m. but they probably won't receive it...unless rootschat has changed something...But who knows for sure...as although the rules state 3 posts before a p.m. can be sent, I have sent after 2 and they have been received, so I now tell new people to try after two. J.J.
Title: Re: Great Day for Canadian Genealogy - Passenger Lists
Post by: Stephen1917 on Friday 01 April 11 19:39 BST (UK)
I had thought I might find 'downside' in this sequence. This is my third posting, so I hope I'll now be able (if I have understood) to reply to his message and perhaps learn more about the Stoneadge-West Canada connection. And I have photos of George Henry!