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Hi everyone. I need to find a birth in the state of Victoria, Australia. Is it possible to do this on-line? Not sure of the year though - at a guess it is somewhere between 1920 and 1930. Thanks.
Silas
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Hi Silas,
If you supply the names and place if you have it we may beable to help you
Cheers Raels
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Thank you Raels. The child's name was Doreen Stannard. Parents Ellen and Tom Stannard. Possibly born Queenscliffe in Victoria. Not sure when though, but must be between 1920 and 1930. Sorry to be so vague, but haven't a lot to go on.
Silas
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Hi Silas I have a bdm disc will see if I can find it for you,
By the way I live not far from there. I am in Geelong
Queenscliff is about 15 minutes away
Cheers Raels
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Cheers Raels - very grateful and wish I lived over there !!
Silas
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Hi Silas,
Just checked my disc's but was unable to find an entry my disc's only go to 1920
all so checked vic deaths for 1920-1985 no entry there either...sorry
have you tried the vic BDM site you can look for an entry there by searching but it is a pay by view site
this site has a few links which may be handy
http://www.gsv.org.au/links.htm
Cheers Raels
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Thank you so much for trying Raels. I will try the site you suggest. Cheers.
Silas
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Hi everyone. I need to find a birth in the state of Victoria, Australia. Is it possible to do this on-line? Not sure of the year though - at a guess it is somewhere between 1920 and 1930. Thanks.
Silas
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/servlet/bdm_home
this is the Victorian Births, Deaths & Marriages web site, you can search for births only up until 1924 - then privacy laws kick in. It is free to search but costs 99 cents to look at a page of results.
ChristineR
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Thank you Christine - I will take a look at it. Cheers.
Silas
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Hello there
I dont know if the parents came to Australia
but here are two deaths that may be applicable
Thomas William Stannard died 1983 Geelong reg no 03622
parents listed as John Thomas He and Mary
Stannard Ellen died 1985 Geelong reg no 14741 parents U Wirigglesworth and Fanny
regards Jenn
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Hi
Inaddition to Jenn's finds there, I can see 2 other burials by the name Stannard at Geelong cemeteries- making 4 all together.
Ellen 1985
George 1970
Rebecca 1941
Thomas William 1983
http://www.zades.com.au
will give you further details
Sue
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hello there Sue
are any of them buried together
rgards jenn
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Thank you Jen, Sue and everyone. Yes Thomas and Ellen Stannard were Doreen's parents. Ellen met Tom Stannard in England and came out with him to Australia after marrying him in England. Yes, Ellen's mother was Fanny Clarkson, her father was Joseph Wigglesworth (illegitimacy). Anyway, Doreen was born in Victoria, just would like to know when. Have had no joy so far in trying to find out, but will keep trying. Thank you for your help.
Silas.
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Hi Silas
If you want pics of the graves i can take them for you and post them on this thread just let me know
Geelong cemetery 5 minutes away from me
Cheers Raels
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Raels thank you very much for the offer of photos, and yes, that would be lovely, thank you so much. Cannot make out who Rebecca is, but it might say on the grave. I know they had a son George and if the George in the grave is him, he must have died quite young, as he pre-deceased them by the looks of it. Thank you again.
Silas
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Silas
Stannard, Ellen buried 1985 Geelong West Cemetery also Stannard ,Thomas William 1893.
Stannard, Rebecca 1941 Drysdale Cemetery
Stannard, George 1870 Birregurra Cemetary
I can get the the Drysdale and West Geelong Cemetery other one is near Colac fair distance from me
Cheers Raels
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Hi Raels.
I think the only 2 graves I am sure of and interested in are:-
Ellen Stanard who died 1985 and Thomas William Stannard who died 1983. I am not too sure about George and Rebecca - they may be totally unrelated to me, just cannot be sure. I do know that Ellen was related for definite and that her husband was Thomas William, so would love a photo if at all possible, but don't go out of your way to get one. Thank you once again.
Silas.
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There is a digital war service file on the National Archives site for George, he came from Tatura at the time, his father is Thomas William Stannard. It says he was born Camperdown.
http://www.naa.gov.au/The_collection/recordsearch.html
ChristineR
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Thanks Christine - I'll take a look at that.
Silas
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Hi Silas,
hopefully I can get to the cemetery this weekend if all goes well...If not it will be later in the week.
Cheers Raels ;D
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http://www.ansonic.com.au/marrtronics/BIRREGU.HTM
the link to Ian Marr's web site - South West cemetery headstones
with details of George's burial at Birregurra Cemetery.
I could not find a death index entry for the Rebecca - her death may be registered under another surname.
ChristineR
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Thanks for that Christine. I looked at Ian Marr's site and at George Stannard. He can't be my George Stannard as the dates don't fit in with my research, but thank you anyway.
Silas
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hello there
I checked the Victoria death indexs but could only find
George Stannnard died 1970 aged 49 reg no 5589
parents Thomas Stannard and Ellen goodall
no sign of Rebecca
regards Jenn
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Hi
A little more on Stannard men
At the Birregarra cemetery the following
George Stannard. b. 21/4/1920 d.1/3/1970 VX111845 H.Q.3 Aust Division.
On the WW2 nominal roll site -
George Stannard b. Camperdown, 1920 lists as Next of Kin Thomas Stannard
Also on same site
Thomas William Stannard b. Camperdown in 1895 NOK Ellen
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au
So I think a connection here to each other.
Sue
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It suddenly occurred to me to look up the birth on my cd..
George Stannard
birth registered Camperdown 1920
father - John William
mother - Ellen CLARKSON
reg number: 10010
cheers
ChristineR :)
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Thank you Jen, Sue and everyone. Yes Thomas and Ellen Stannard were Doreen's parents. Ellen met Tom Stannard in England and came out with him to Australia after marrying him in England. Yes, Ellen's mother was Fanny Clarkson, her father was Joseph Wigglesworth (illegitimacy). Anyway, Doreen was born in Victoria, just would like to know when. Have had no joy so far in trying to find out, but will keep trying. Thank you for your help.
Silas.
So thi birth that Christine has found one would assume only that it is the crorrect son George
BUT
Thomas William Stannard war record says born Campberdown 1895 and he has served in WW1 in Australia
so is there two families with extremly similar names or what
regards Jenn
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Jenn - you have the correct George Stannard in :-
George died 1970 Reg. 5589 - his parents are the correct ones - do you know his date of birth please? His mother was originally Ellen Wigglesworth-Clarkson, reason being she was illegitimate and her father's name was Wigglesworth, mother Clarkson. Her mother then married a man by the name of George Goodall, so she obviously took on his surname. It looks like George was born out of wedlock then before Ellen married Thomas Stannard.
Silas
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hello there
well thats good that the birth that Christine found is the correct one
no unfortunately the index only have the year not the actual date you would have to obtain a copy of the certificate
have you estimated or now what year the family came to Australia
was thomas standard born in Australia or the UK??
regards jenn
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Jenn - you have the correct George Stannard in :-
George died 1970 Reg. 5589 - his parents are the correct ones - do you know his date of birth please? His mother was originally Ellen Wigglesworth-Clarkson, reason being she was illegitimate and her father's name was Wigglesworth, mother Clarkson. Her mother then married a man by the name of George Goodall, so she obviously took on his surname. It looks like George was born out of wedlock then before Ellen married Thomas Stannard.
Silas
hello
I am a bit lost with your comment about him being born out of wed lock did they marry after they arrived here?
bit confused
checked the war record married in uk in 1919 he was an aussie so george would be legitimate
regards jenn
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So thi birth that Christine has found one would assume only that it is the crorrect son George
BUT
Thomas William Stannard war record says born Campberdown 1895 and he has served in WW1 in Australia
so is there two families with extremly similar names or what
regards Jenn
This would be George's brother, not his father?
ChristineR
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Yes Jenn, they left for Australia in about 1920, but why are the parent's names on the birth certificate different, eg. Goodall for mother and Stannard for father if they were married? That's why I thought George was born out of wedlock. Haven't yet found out where Thomas Stannard was born, but think it was Australia (not 100% sure though).
Christine - I will have to think about your query - not very experienced at all this yet - sorry.
Silas
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hello Christine
cant figure this comment out "George"S brother ?
also silas the birth certificate has fathers name and mother maiden name on them hence her not being Stannard
It looks like Thomas Stannard was an aussie and went
to enland either during the war or just after married the marriage certificate details are on the war record and brought his bride back to australia where they had George in 1920
He may have come back with the Australian forces and she has come a bit later have a good read of Thomas William Stannards war record I can give you his birth details
the birth of george has the mothers name as Clarkson but the death has Goodall
Now if you want Dorrens details you could get a copy of either Thomas or Ellen death certificate and it will list the details of children living and deceased
regards jenn
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hello there Silas
John Henry Stannard born england married Mary Elizabeth Ward born Kingstown ireland in Victoria 1894 reg no 2745
children born to this couple at Camperdown
John William reg no 1586 (this appears to be Thomas William he may have allways been called Thomas )
Elsie born 1898 reg no 16919 died camperdown 1983 reg no 18902 died as Stannard so may be not married
Mary Elizabeth Reeves born 1896 died 9594 died as Cooper 1966 reg no 26732
Mary Elizabeth Stannard died aged 86 1947 at lismore reg no 20937
parents John William Ward and Mary Peat
John Thomas Henry Stannard died aged 77 at Lismore reg no 14532
parents Thomas William Stannard and Eliza Louise Reeve
by the war record for Thomas William Stannard he was born in Camperdown in 1895 and his father was John
regards jenn
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Sorry if I am being repetitive, but George's birth date which everyone wants to know is in my reply no. 23. from his headstone at the cemetery.
21/4/1920
Isn't it?
Sue
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hello Christine
cant figure this comment out "George"S brother ?...regards jenn
;D
moment of dumbness - there is 25 years gap there between ages.
They both went to war in WW2 - not uncommon.
ChristineR
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Yes Jenn, they left for Australia in about 1920, but why are the parent's names on the birth certificate different, eg. Goodall for mother and Stannard for father if they were married? That's why I thought George was born out of wedlock. Haven't yet found out where Thomas Stannard was born, but think it was Australia (not 100% sure though).
Christine - I will have to think about your query - not very experienced at all this yet - sorry.
Silas
Forget the brother comment ;D moment of dumbness!
Now, (as Jenn says) I think you have got the death of George mixed up with the birth index entry - the birth says his mother's name is Ellen CLARKSON, the death says Ellen GOODALL. Death entries are commonly wrong on mother's maiden names.
George Stannard
birth registered Camperdown 1920
father - John William
mother - Ellen CLARKSON
reg number: 10010
The index is recorded with the mother's maiden name - nothing to do with being married or not. Also there is the added confusion of his father's name being down as John Stannard, not Thomas - but that could be a transcription error - Thos can read like Jno in the old handwriting.
ChristineR
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It looks like Thomas Stannard was an aussie and went
to enland either during the war or just after married the marriage certificate details are on the war record and brought his bride back to australia where they had George in 1920
He may have come back with the Australian forces and she has come a bit later have a good read of Thomas William Stannards war record ....regards jenn
Silas,
http://www.naa.gov.au/The_collection/recordsearch.html
you better read the war record - everything is explained! even a copy of the marriage particulars - they married Sept 1919 - his father is John Stannard, butcher. She was Ellen Wrigglesworth Clarkson, father's details Nil.
On on the very last page - it says he returned to Australia on discharge WITH his wife - this was November 1919 - names the ship.
ChristineR
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hello there
yes sue you have given the birth date
ditto for everyting else christine as I said read the war record it is all there just to reinterate
should give Silas quite a bit to go on with
regard jenn
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Hi There,
lookThomas William Stannard Camperdown VIC (Father) STANNARD John:
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8091977&I=1&SE=1
Look Thomas William Stannard Record born 31 Jan 1895 Camperdown VIC.:
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=6271204&I=1&SE=0
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Gosh everybody - don't know how to thank you all enough - you have certainly been busy. Sorry to be so long in replying, but got delayed by visitors. I am now going to look at the war records, can't wait!! Be back later and thank you so much.
Silas
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Well, read the war records - fascinating !! Especially the letter from Ellen prior to her marriage pleading for Thomas to be discharged in England and about her elderly mother depending on her, etc. Thank you again all of you for your kind help.
Silas
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Forgot to tell you all that Ellen's grandmother who she talks about in her letter asking for Thomas' discharge from the army was my mother's grandmother (my gt grandmother). You can find out more about Ellen's birth in a thread of mine in the West Yorkshire board entitled 'Illegitimate birth' which I have just added to today.
Silas
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hello there
silas
well i am glad you have had a success full outcome
sorry we cannot find doreen or any other children at this stage but if you can download a death certificate you should find how many children they had
also John Henry Stannard was born in 1862 in Poplar London he is on the 1871 census with his family
regards jenn
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Thanks Jenn - will now take a look at the 1871 census. Cheers.
Silas
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Hi Silas,
Made it to the cemetery today.
Took some pics if you want the
rest pm me with your email
and will forward them on to
you.
Cheers Raels
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here's more
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and more ;D
cheers Raels
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Hi Silas,
Out of curiosity, I went to the Drysdale cemetery to see if i could find the grave for Rebecca Stannard.
Unfortunately I had no success as this is only a small cemetery I was able to search all the graves but there is quiet a number of them unmarked or in such disrepair you were unable to read the head stones.
I also made a call to the Geelong District cemeteries Trust and asked them to check on their computer but they were unable to find anything. I then rechecked my disc for deaths but it doesn't show on there only Ellen, Thomas and George..it does show on the index site so must be a record somewhere. Not sure where else to look maybe someone on here may be able to help..
Cheers Raels
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Dear Silas just wondering who you are? I am the daughter of Doreen Stannard and my grandparents were indeed Ellen and Thomas Stannard. My grandmother was born in England and my grandfather brought her back to Australia, she was whats known as a "war bride".
Looking at your ongoing messages you were looking for details back in 2006, hope you come back on line soon, it was very exciting to come across someone looking for my mother who by the way is still alive and well, we live in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Waiting in anticipation of a reply.
Cheers
Stanlaw.
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Hi Stanlaw.
I have sent you a personal message.
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Just to clarify the difficulty over Thomas Stannard 31/1/1895 - 13/2/1983 - his birth name is John William Stannard but he was always known as Tom.
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I am the 4x Great Grandson of Thomas William Stannard (circa 1830). I currently reside in geelong, here's what i know so far:
Thomas William Stannard -Married- Eliza Louise (nee reeve)
date/place of birth: Unknown date/place of birth: Unknown
Son: John Thomas Henry Stannard -Married (1894) - Mary Elizabeth (nee Ward)
date/place of birth: Poplar London, UK 1862 date/place of birth: Kingston, Ireland
Son: Thomas (John?) William Stannard -Married- Ellen (nee Wigglesworth Clarkson [illegitimate])
date/place of birth: 31/01/1895 Camperdown, Vic date/place of birth: Castleford, UK
Children: (George, May, Tom, Doreen) Son: George Stannard -Married- Ethel (nee Cripps)
date/place of birth: Camperdown [now at: birregurra with ethel died 1970] date/place of birth: Sydney 1919 [now at birregurra cemetery with george died 2011]
Children: (William [bill], Robert [bob/chopper][d], Helen [d]) Helen Stannard had a son (my father) unmarried named Daniel who took her husbands name williams. Helen Stannard (kept name) -married- Frazer Prentice Williams and had a son isaac williams.
Children: (Daniel, Isaac) Daniel Charles Williams - Married - Natasha Jane (nee McMahon)
date/place of birth: Geelong, Vic 1971 date/place of birth:Preston, Vic 1974
Children: Jack (Me) -&- Harry
date/place of birth: Kilmore, Vic 22/1/1998 date/place of birth: Bundoora, Vic 5/9/2001
i have further information on the children and grandchildren of Ethel and George Stannard also war records of George and his father Thomas.
I am looking to find the births and deaths of the listed family members and any further relations.
:) - Jack
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All I can tell you Jackielegs is that Ellen Wigglesworth-Clarkson was my maternal grandmother's neice. Ellen's father was a Joseph Wigglesworth and was married to Emily Clarkson (my gran's sister). Joseph, shortly after his marriage to Emily had an affair with Emily's sister - Fanny Clarkson and as a result, Ellen was born. I do not have the date of Ellen's death, but, as you know she went to Australia and died there. Sorry, but I have been having a rest from doing my tree for a long time, so my memory of all this isn't too good at the moment.