RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Kes on Tuesday 24 October 06 17:12 BST (UK)
-
I wonder if some-one could please help me.
I have a Jemima Climpson bn abt 1834. I have found her in Marylebone London from 1861 and she puts her birthplace on the census as Chesham. I have searched the 1841 census for Chesham Bucks but cannot find her, her Fathers name is Joseph Climpson on her Marriage cert.
The only other thing is that on the 1851 census for Marylebone there is a Jemima Clemston. ( to be honest the original image looks like Climpson to me )working as a servant and she states her birthplace as Hammersham ( Amersham? ) Bucks. The age is about correct but I can not find Jemima in either Chesham or Amersham in 1841.
Has anyone come across a Jemima Climpson with a Father Joseph please.
Thanks
Kes
-
Hi Kes
In Amersham in 1841 there is a Mary Climpson, 44, described as Ind, I think - the image is difficult! She has 7 children, including Jimima aged 8. No sign of Joseph the father, but there is a son Joseph aged 10.
Now, they have all been transcribed as Clempson, and Jemima/Jimima has been transcribed as James!!
1841 HO107/45/6/7/8
Looks good, doesn't it! :D
Cheers
Koromo
:)
-
Hi Koromo.
Thank you so much, I do think this must be her. I had a look at the image and I can see that it is 'Jimima' And her age is in the female column so how the transcriber made it James is a mystery.
Maybe her Father Joseph was dead, this would not be the first marriage cert where that fact was not mentioned, Jemima could not read or write so I do not suppose she knew what was written.
Thank you again for your help, I was pulling my hair out!
Regards
Kes
-
26 Sep 1815 FANNY CLIMPSON F JOSEPH CLIMPSON MARY
28 Aug 1817 LIOUSE CLIMPSON F JOSEPH CLIMPSON MARY
11 Oct 1819 SARAH CLIMPSON F JOSEPH CLIMPSON MARY
11 Dec 1821 WILLIAM CLIMPSON M JOSEPH CLIMPSON MARY
I have been transcribing the Amersham marriages and births and have these children christened in the Amersham meeting house. It is complete to 1837 and is on Freereg. Maybe they changed thier religion.
Jo
-
I have the feeling that those are the children from a second Joseph and Mary Climpson living in Amersham at the same time. On the 1841 census, Louisa is at home with her parents and her fairly new husband, John Rowles.
You would think that they might all be related, though.
:)
-
I think you may well be right. There are two Mary Climpsons on 1841 living in Amersham. The second one was with husband Joseph and living in Amersham.
-
Thank you both for your help.
I looked at the 1851 census for 'JIMIMA'S' brothers from the info you sent Koromo and I am almost certain this is the right family. Two of her brothers are in the Marylebone/Paddington area same as Jemima in 51. and the third is in Chesham lodging with a family. I looked at the free B.M.Ds and there was a Mary CLIMPSON died in Amersham in 1844, no birth date was given for her but if it was their Mother that would account for them all moving away between 1841 and 51, I will have to send for her death cert.
Lincslass, when you suggested the other Climpson family you said they were in the meeting house registers? Would that be the Baptist Lower meeting house in Amersham? If so can I ask where you found that info please as my Ainsworths also came originally from Amersham and I have been unable to find any baptist records at all for the family apart from one of my G.G.Grandfathers sisters on the I.G.I and John Ainsworths and Dorcas Beamsley's marrriage on Ancestry.com
I would love to be able to find any other Brothers and Sisters G.G.Grandfather might have had.
Thanks again both of you for all your help
Kes
-
I have transcribed the meeting house births for Freereg and still have them.
There are quite a few children to John and Dorcas nee Beamsley as below.
EPHRAM AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
JAMES AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
GEORGE AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
HENRY AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS BEAMSLEY
JOHN AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
THOS AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS BEAMSLEY
SARAH AINSWORTH F JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
Hope this helps
Jo
-
Whoops forgot the dates
30 Jan 1808 EPHRAM AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
02 Nov 1802 JAMES AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
28 Aug 1804 GEORGE AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
06 Oct 1800 HENRY AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS BEAMSLEY
29 Jul 1798 JOHN AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
03 May 1796 THOS AINSWORTH M JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS BEAMSLEY
04 Apr 1794 SARAH AINSWORTH F JOHN AINSWORTH DORCAS
-
Oh BTW
These are DOB not baptisms as I am sure you are aware.
Jo
-
Hi Linclass.
I don't know what to say except thank you so much! I have been trying to find this information for so long and just like that you give it to me, I really am so grateful to you.
James was my G.G.Grandfather and he went on to be a Baptist Minister, he also named some of his sons after his Brothers it seems.
Thankyou again
Regards
Kes
-
Did James marry Catherine and have 4 children ?
06 Sep 1834 EMMA AINSWORTH F JAMES AINSWORTH CATHARINE
17 Mar 1833 JAMES AINSWORTH M JAMES AINSWORTH CATHERINE
15 Jun 1831 WILLIAM AINSWORTH M JAMES AINSWORTH CATHERINE
12 Jul 1836 EPHRIAM AINSWORTH M JAMES AINSWORTH CATHERINE
Jo
-
I have the transcription here for James marriage to Catherine Toms 4th Dec 1828 at St Marys Amersham witnesses are Henry and Sarah Ainsworth.
Jo
-
Hi Jo.
Thanks again, this is definately the family. I did not even know about Emma, I got the family names and ages from the 1851/61 census.
It looks as if only Ephraim, William and Emma were born in Amersham, the rest as follows state Beaconsfield as a birthplace
Ann bn abt 1839
Henry abt 1837
James " 1840
George " 1842
Thomas " 1847
I did not know Catherines maiden name or their marriage date, thankyou for that.
I descend from Thomas the youngest child of James and Catherine.
By 1851 James is a Baptist minister in a chapel at Hillingdon Middlesex and in 1861 he is ministering ( if that's the right word ) in Dymchurch in Kent. James and Catherine stayed in Kent till they died at a ripe old age.
I was suprised when I sent for Thomas's and my G.Grandmothers Marriage cert to see Thomas had put his Fathers profession as Baptist Minister as he married G.Gran in a Church of England in Paddington, London. It has been interesting tracing them though and now I am so far advanced thanks to your help.
The Ainsworths are my Maternal ancestors and I could not believe it when it turned out that Jemima Climpson was also from Amersham as she is my Paternal G.G.Grandmother. To think I used to take my Children to Beaconsfield many years ago to the model village there and did not even know then that my G.Grandad was born there. This hobby does throw up some suprises doesn't it?
Many thanks again for your help Jo. I have plenty extended family to find now eh?
Best Wishes
Jeanette
-
P.S
I have just realised you gave me a James born 1833 in Amersham yet on the 1851 census the James there is 11 yrs old so bn abt 1840 in Beaconsfield. Perhaps the first James died.
Jeanette
-
Hi again
I too spotted the difference for James age and presumed the first one died. I also note that the older children must have been born in Beaconsfield according to the 1841 census. At least you have an idea when he moved.
Now I have seen a marriage for a John Toms to a Mary Beamsley in 1791 which would match for Catherine Toms who married in 1828. I only have the marriages for St Marys and the baptisms for the meeting house on my PC. But I am going to the records office tomorrow and have it on my list to look for Catherines birth to see if her parents where indeed John and Mary. If they where, then you will have another branch. And another Beamsley !!!!
Jo
-
Hi Jo.
Thanks again! St Marys sounds like a C of E doesnt it? I will have to look the Church up on the Amersham site. I wonder whether they had to marry in a 'Proper' church back then. I do not know much at all about the Baptist faith, at this rate I had better start learning eh?
Jeanette
-
Oooh.
Meant to say that Ephriam's age was also not correct. Though he appears as 1830 in 1841 and 1836 on the register.I will have a look and see if those three, Emma, James and Ephriam died before their move to beaconsfield.
BTW - I see there is a death of Dorcas Ainsworth in March Q 1839 in Amersham.
Jo
-
Thanks Jo,
that would be great if you are sure it's not too much trouble for you.
Jeanette
-
No trouble at all.
I think all marriages and burials had to be done by C of E churches or have a regsitrar present and non conformists churches had no legal right to do so. Might be worth a new post to confirm. But I am sure that is the case. St Marys was C of E incidentally.
Jo
-
I have looked at Amersham Baptisms for Catherine Toms and she is not there. As she puts out of County on the 1841 census and a check on the 1861 says she was born London, I am not surprised ( Should have checked that first) But there are several children to John and Mary Toms so looks like they are not her parents.
There is a burial for John Ainsworth 26/3/1834 in Amersham and logged at The meeting House - aged 67. So could be a relative.
When I was looking at the meeting house births, I recall that on some occassions they logged the parents of the mother. So I checked the birth of one of the children and Dorcas was the daughter of Sarah & David Beamsley .
Hope this helps
Jo
-
Hi Jo.
Thanks again for all the help you have given me,I never imagined I would get a response like this when I posted that request then asked you the question about Baptist records, I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate it. You have sent me so much information that I know I could not possibly have got without you and I mean that.
Jeanette