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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: FST on Monday 23 October 06 19:05 BST (UK)
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Anyone lnow anything about the Malcolm family of Dundee? George Malcolm was one of the founding fathers of Malcolm Ogilvie, jute manufacturers in the latter part of the 19th century. His father James was also into jute. His daughter was my husband's gr grandmother.
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My gggrandmother was born Ann Malcolm in 1789 and died in Dundee in 1841> her father was named William Malcolm. All I know is he died possibly in 1804 based on a reference in the Howff burial records.
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hi :)
george malcolm married helen rattary 8th august 1846 rattray perthshire
1881
panmure terr inverlaw dundee
george malcom 60 born dundee manufacturer of jute cloth & yarns
employing about 1200 people
ev
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Hi , :)
The factory was knocked down & houses (sheltered & non Sheltered ) were built on top....my mother 'in 'law lived there .
Ogilvie street is right next door to it .
have a great xmas everyone .
Snowolf
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Dear FST,snonwolf and ev,
I am also looking for a John Malcolm who married on 11/6/1852 in Dundee,Scotland to a Catherine Stewart Findlay(nee Barrie).
She was a widow and had 1 baby daughter Agnes Findlay. They emigrated to Australia in 1853 and I have their history here.
Any help on Malcolms line.
Thanks,Carolyn
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Hi,
James Malcolm was the owner of James Malcolm and Sons - Chapelshade Works - flax spinners and manufacturers. The works were situated at Bell Street in Dundee.
In 1831 it was the first mill to spin jute by machine.
James married Catharine Kay (Key/ Keay) on 9th November 1822 in Monifieth and they had 7 children. The youngest daughter Isabella married Peter Wilson, a master seed crusher, brother of my great grandfather.
Helen 4 December 1837
Jean 2 June 1840
Isabella 9 August 1842
Peter 19 August 1829
James 15 March 1824
Agnes 6 January 1835
Alexander 1 September 1827
Greenvalley
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hi greenvalley :)
i believe james malcolm and catherine key(kay) had 9 children
george(born c1820)
james(b.1824)
robert(b.1825)
alexander(b1827)
peter(b.1829)
agnes(b.1835)
helen(b.1837)
jean(b.1840)
isabella(b.1842)
it is possible that catherine key died 1845 princes street dundee and was
buried 17th december 1845 in dundee howff
the family are on the 1841 census(freeCEN) as MALCOM living at 41 princes st
ev
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Hi,
Thank you for the additional children. I haven't researched the Malcolms that much, as Isabella isn't in the direct line. Which one of the daughters was your husband's great grandmother? By the way, the Wilsons are my hubbie's family, mine are all in the Netherlands.
I don't know exactly when Catherine Key died but there are two wills recorded for James (On Scotlandspeople), one from 1854 and one in 1866, I guess the latter would be the correct one.
When Isabella married in 1868 she was living at 1 Dudhope Terrace with her stepmother and both James and Catherine are listed as being deceased.
Greenvalley
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Hello everyone
James Malcolm actually had three wives! The first was Grace Davidson and she had one son, George Malcolm who later went into the jute industry and is my husband's gr gr grandfather. Not sure when she died but he married Cathering Key on 11.11.1822 (she was born about 1800). They had 8 children and she died in December 1845. His third wife was Elizabeth Johnstone who he married on 6.12.1848. They had one son, John, born 8.9.1849
Anyone managed to get any further back from James?
Fiona T
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Hi All
There are a number of trees on the line of James Malcom and Catherine Key on Ancestry. One of them shows James Malcolm as having died on 27 Feb 1854 and buried at the Howff in Dundee. This could probably be verified on www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAHowffInfo.html Given the possible death was just before the start of official registration, it will not most likely include any parents' info for him.
Fiona, these trees also include two more children from the last marriage to Elizabeth Johnstone: Edwin Malcolm b. 1852 and Catherine E. Malcolm b. 1854. From the family's 1861 entry, everyone born in Dundee unless shown:
Elizabeth Malcolm 42 b. Balmerino, Fifeshire
Agnes Malcolm 23
Helen Malcolm 23
Jane Malcolm 20
Isabella Malcolm 18
John Malcolm 11
Edwin Malcolm 9
Catherine E Malcolm 7 b. Newport, Fifeshire
Mary A Brunton 25, servant
Address: 1 Nelson St, Dundee
Monica :)
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Just as a possibility, with James' first son being named George (from his first marriage), there is this IGI entry:
JAMES MALCOLM Birth:21 JAN 1801/ Christening: 25 JAN 1801 Dundee, Angus
Parents: GEORGE MALCOLM and CATHARINE SIMSON
Monica
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Thanks for all that Monica. Didn't know about the other two children from the third marriage.
Will keep looking for James' forebears but your suggestion looks possible.
Fiona T
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Dear FST,snonwolf and ev,
I am also looking for a John Malcolm who married on 11/6/1852 in Dundee,Scotland to a Catherine Stewart Findlay(nee Barrie).
She was a widow and had 1 baby daughter Agnes Findlay. They emigrated to Australia in 1853 and I have their history here.
Any help on Malcolms line.
Thanks,Carolyn
my great grandfather charles was born illegitimately, to ann malcolm and charles findlay, in 1856. whilst he did not acknowledge the child, she put his name on birth certificate and called him charles after him.
i have reasons to believe that charles and john are related, and it was common after marriage for the families in this case findlay and malcolm and to get closer. ann malcolm was born to robert malcolm and catherine nicoll in 1836, son of robert malcolm and janet elder. all on igi. catherine nicoll was daughter of james and helen butterworth.
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my great grandfather charles was born illegitimately, to ann malcolm and charles findlay, in 1856. whilst he did not acknowledge the child, she put his name on birth certificate and called him charles after him.
That is not possible.
The Regulations under the provisions of the 35th section of the Registration Act state: "In the case of an illegitimate child, the Registrar must not enter the name of any person as the father, unless at the joint personal request of the mother and of the person acknowledging himself to be the father, who, under these circumstances, shall sign the Register, as informant, along with the child's mother, and shall be registered as the father, the word Illegitimate being added to the child's name."
In other words, the law does not allow the mother of an illegitimate child to put the name of the father on a birth certificate unless he acknowledges the child by accompanying her in person when she goes to register the birth, and signing the birth certificate alongside her.
It is, of course, perfectly possible for her to name her child after its father, even if the father does not acknowledge the child, and in fact that is quite common when the child is a boy.
If a court subsequently finds the paternity of an illegitimate child whose father has not acknowledged paternity at the time of registration, an entry is made in the Register of Corrected Entries, and cross-referenced from the original birth certificate. The original certificate is not altered.
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Forfarian ... although quite correct in its content, that was a bit of an abrupt response :o :o
You could have at least have done the RootsChatter the courtesy of addressing him by name or username and started with a "Sorry, but ... " and then gone on to explain why.
Manners maketh the man!
Let's keep posts and replies polite. We're all after the same end results!
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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I have a booklet that came from St. Peter's Church in Dundee and it was a gift from the Minister to L. Malcolm in 1845. I was wondering who L. Malcolm might have been? Thank you!
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Hmmm.
A quick look at the 1841 census at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl reveals only four L Malcolms, none of them in Dundee.
Lewis Malcolm, 10, Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire
Lilias Malcolm, 2, Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
Lindsay Malcolm, 20, Kilconquhar, Fife
Louisa Malcolm, 23 Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire
The 1851 census isn't on FreeCEN - maybe someone with access to another transcription will look to see if there was another one in 1851?
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Thank you! I hope someone will help with the 1851 census. I bought the booklet to read, it's called "Walk with the physician of souls through a duing world" Then noticed it was a gift from the minister of the church who was Islay Burns and given to L. Malcolm.
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hi all :)
there is a islay burns 20 probationer born stirlingshire on the 1841 census
living with a burns family(freeCEN) manse kilsyth stirlingshire
head of household Wm. H(rev) burns 60 minister(his father ?)
ev
ps the same man ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islay_Burns
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Rev. Islay Burns was the Minister of St. Peters Church in Dundee in 1845, that much I know, and from what I can gather was a pretty well known minister of the gospel. I just thought with this being a Malcolm family forum I would be able to find out who L. Malcolm was. I might even be willing to send the booklet to a direct family member after I'm done reading it.
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I just thought with this being a Malcolm family forum I would be able to find out who L. Malcolm was.
This isn't a 'Malcolm family forum'. It's a forum for anyone from the county of Angus. This thread about Malcolms is just one thread in the forum.
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I know, but the tpic of the thread is the Malcolm family, and that's what I ment to say.