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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: jake on Saturday 21 October 06 21:36 BST (UK)
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looking for info on ernest barnes born 1881/83
sent to canada from waifs and stray's yorkshire 1894 boat ss sardinian
this is all i have
Age: 13
Sex: M
Year of arrival: 1894
Microfilm reel: C-4540
Ship: SS Sardinian
Port of departure: Liverpool
Departure Date: 19 Apr 1894
Port of arrival: Quebec
Arrival Date: 1 May 1894
Party: See comments
Destination: Sherbrooke, Quebed
Comments: A group from the Waifs and Strays Society and the Rochdale Workhouse in Yorkshire going to the Benyon? Home, Sherbrooke
anyone help
jake
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Hi, Jake...long time no see!!!!
Might have him here, on the 1901, working in SHEFFORD for the Knowltons
( down as Ernest J.)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/DisplayPagePanb.jsp?id=85811&highlight=41
The stated year of immigration matches, although year a bit out... J.J.
( go to top, split screen to see the actual image and more details...)
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In 1911 still in Shefford, Stukely with the same family...who now have a son ( adopted? as says b. 1895)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test16.jsp?id=129310 J.J.
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http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02010602_e.html
Checked here to see if he enlisted in WW1, but none match up...there is however one signup with no database information which still could be his. Perhaps you could write to see if there is more on this one Ernest... J.J.
( just use link oline help for where to write for the info )
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Oh, You'll have to forgive me, Jake...there is one other Ernest on the 1911 who matches your dates even better, as he says born June 1883 and also immigrated in 1894....but hadn't seen him on the 1901 so missed him...must apologise
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test16.jsp?id=102549
He is a boarder in Brome / Potton Township / works at a sawmill....
actual image:
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1911a/e082/e002046400.pdf
Boarding with a George willard ( bottom household 22 )
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1911a/e082/e002046399.pdf
so will look closer now at 1901...
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Home children resources & topics here on rootschat....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,148045.0.html
Look up volunteers in Quebec... but Protestant files in Brome are only up to
1879 and it's hard to guess where he may have married, anyway....and they
need Parish or township info before they begin. I wonder if you asked in
general if there are any volunteers that specialize in Sherbrooke home children
research? http://www.rootsweb.com/~canqc/lookupsa-c.html
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Oh, my eyes aren't working now, says 1897 not 1894 for the second entry above,
so only the first one matches for immigration but not for age...
You gave other rootschat entries on this family I have found, also...( My memory is going, but may have worked on one of them.)
Saw that you thought you had parents for them on the 1891, but no ernest? You thinking he was abandoned between marriages, then? How did you come to find out about Ernest, from the CEF papers on Frederick? Wonder if there were even more children, then...before the next marriage....
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hi JJ
many thanks for your help really appreciated
jake
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Hello Jake
My grandfather was a home child and listed as domestic on the census. So looks like your man.
You might try contacting researchers searching Barnes listed on this website:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~qceastwn/bb.html
There are two listed. Maybe there will be a connection to your Ernest.
Linda
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hi linda
thank you for that info, will check it out
thanks again appreciated
jake
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Ok, bear with me.....
On Frederick Barnes military papers (Ernest's brother), he has his military pay going to his brother Mr. E. Barnes, Miami, Manitoba. It is states to "also notify" Mrs. E. Barnes c/o Mrs. Walter Fry, Manitoba.....
In the 1911 Manitoba Census there is a William and Fanny Fry and below them is Ernest Barnes, born England, 1889, and married, dosn't give his wife's name though.
Province: Manitoba
District: Lisgar
District Number: 17
Sub-District Number: 18
Census Year: 1911
Page: 4
So, that could be a good possiblity for Ernest
Karen
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I had seen that one, but he has no immigration date, but then he was just a boy...Trouble is on the 1906 he says he's 16 and immigrated 1899...so if it is the right fellow, it will be hard to identify from his information.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census06/DisplayPage06.jsp?id=4121
No marriage for him, also which makes it maddening...also was hoping to find the Fry/Frye family in 1881 or 1901 with children just in case Ernest married one...all very frustrating, all in all...
A little concrete evidence would be nice....nothing else that gave a clue in the c.e.f. papers?
J.J.
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hi
i have just had an idea what do you think karen & jj
if charles barnes had a brother his brother could be ernests father,
i have found charles father, it is oliver barnes born 8th september 1826, born in hungerford berkshire
oliver moved to birmingham and married sarah leake on the 3rd may1847,
where they lived in castle bromwhich birmingham and had charles on the18th september 1853, i can't find any other children, but would think they had more than one, any idea how find out,
it seems that most of the barnes family moved to birmingham
jake
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On the LDS Family search site, there are other children mentioned for Oliver and Sarah.
THOMAS HENRY BARNES
Christening: December 3rd, 1848 At Castle Bromwich, Warwick, England
Father: OLIVER BARNES
Mother: SARAH
ANN ELIZABETH BARNES
Christening: May 5th, 1850 At Castle Bromwich, Warwick, England
Father: OLIVER BARNES
Mother: SARAH
ALFRED BARNES
Christening: November 2nd, 1851 at Castle Bromwich, Warwick, England
Father: OLIVER BARNES
Mother: SARAH
JOHN BARNES
Christening: September 20th, 1855 At Castle Bromwich, Warwick, England
Father: OLIVER BARNES
Mother: SARAH
WILLIAM BARNES
Christening: September 20th, 1855 At Castle Bromwich, Warwick, England
Father: OLIVER BARNES
Mother: SARAH
WILLIAM BARNES
Christening: November 23rd, 1856 At Castle Bromwich, Warwick, England
Father: OLIVER BARNES
Mother: SARAH
You can check the records at your nearest LDS Library.
Janice
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hi janice
thank you for that information, i thought he would have more than one child, can you tell me how you found the part you said on the lds family search other children are mentioned, i don't seem to be able to find it, and would like to see the other names.
thanks again for your help really appreciated
thanks jake
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Hi Jake
Hope everythings ok mate,nice to see you out an about again
www.familysearch.org....click on the IGI page, enter Fathers full name and mothers christian name and county of birth.Dont put any childrens names in as it will only come up with parents of that child.
Joe
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cheers joe
hope you are well,and finding your ancesters, my lot seem to have spent a lot of time in bed, they all had large family,s i just found out
oliver had twins first in my family i think.
anyway thanks for the info
jake
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hi again joe
i tried that, but all that comes up is marriage, i can't get any other info to come up
jake
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Hi Jake
Ive just done it no problem, I didnt even put the County in and they all came up 8)
Are you putting Oliver Barnes in the box that says " fathers name " on the right of the page, then put Sarah in mothers name but dont put surname of mother just leave it blank
Joe :)
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hi joe
thanks got it i used the wrong box
thanks for your help might get somewhere now
thanks again
jake
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Hi Jake,
Well I finally got to Miami Manitoba and went to the cemetery and found Ernest Henry Barnes headstone. I took some pictures of the stone and the railroad station.
Karen
PS I'll send the pictures via email as well
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Here is the death certificate information....
Ernest Henry Barnes
Date of Death: Feb. 21, 1917
Date of Birth: January 23, 1889
Place of Birth: Birmingham, England
At place of death: 3 years
In Province: 18 years
Occupation: Farmer
Married
Father: Charles Henry Barnes
Mother: Not Known
Place of Burial: Miami Cemetery
Cause of death: abscess of the brain
Contributory Cause: Menengitis, 14 days
Karen
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Nice photo Karen!
Janice
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hi karen
i remember my mother mentioning quite often a sid barnes,
i have found this, and its another coincidence, to much of a coincidence
not to be investigated, i will see what i can find out, but these two on the same ship same surname and both in the same home, what do you think could this sydney be the sid my mom used to mention.
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Name:
BARNES
Given Name:
Sidney
Age:
12
Sex:
M
Ship:
Sardinian
Year of Arrival:
1894
Departure Port:
Liverpool
Departure Date:
19 April 1894
Arrival Port:
Quebec
Arrival Date:
01 May 1894
Party:
Waifs and Strays
Destination:
Sherbrooke, Quebec
Comments:
A group from the Waifs and Strays Society and the Rochdale Workhouse in Yorkshire going to the Benyon Home, Sherbrooke.
Source:
Library and Archives Canada
Reference:
RG76 C 1 a
Microfilm:
C-4540
Type of Record:
Passenger Lists
Group of Children Traveling Together
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Home Children (1869-1930)
Results
Search | Search HelpSearch Term(s): "Q94AC"Results: (1-8 of 8)
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Name Given Name Age Sex Ship Year of Arrival
1. COOK Albert 12 M Sardinian 1894
2. FONTAINE Arthur 13 M Sardinian 1894
3. BARNES Ernest 13 M Sardinian 1894
4. DAWSON Frederick 14 M Sardinian 1894
5. WARD George 12 M Sardinian 1894
6. FLETCHER John G 16 M Sardinian 1894
7. BARNES Sidney 12 M Sardinian 1894
8. LYON William 13 M Sardinian 1894
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Results: (1-8 of 8)
regards jake
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Here is that Sidney in the 1901...Stukely SHEFFORD QUe.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=85811&highlight=44
That's where we found Ernest J. just down on page....but WAS he your man?Older than the one found in Manitoba, wasn't he?
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=85811&highlight=41
No, because we found that Ernest still with the same family in 1911
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=129310
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This is the one living with the Frye family
Earnest B. Barnes...(says date of immigration 1899)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=63529&highlight=35
1911 Lisgar Manitoba
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=45956
Have also checked 1906 census...and he is with Frye family as E. Barnes...
Township 4 in range 7 west of the 1st M ( miami)
again states imm. date of 1899 and is age 16
He is the only barnes in the lisgar district
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This entry would be closer to the right age & were sent to Manitoba
BARNES E H age 10 Male ship: Scotsman year: 1899
Dept: Liverpool Arr: Halifax , April 3 1899
Dr. Barnardo's party
Destination: Saint John, Toronto, Winnipeg and Russell
Here is the information on Ernest's brother Frederick...also a home child....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142337.0.html
and other threads on the boys
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,185141.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,185143.0.html
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Here is a land grant for Ernest
Part NW Section 29 Township 4 Range 7 Meridian w1
Volume:672 Folio:198 Microfilm reel number: C-6472 Names: Ernest Barnes
William Frye owned Sw section 34...
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hi
karen found an ernest who owned land and is trying to find what happen'd to it
jake