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I'm looking for information about my grandmother Annie Watson. She was born on 30 JUN 1893, her father was Thomas, she married James KITCHEN in Wakefield in 1916.
Any information about her and her family would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Sunny Boy
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Could this be her in 1901? What was her father's occupation on the marriage certificate?
16 Fife Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Thomas P Watson Head M 40 Gas Fitter Ironworks Stafford Hanley
Mary A Wife M 33 Yorks Middlesbrough
Annie P daur S 9 " "
Doris daur 10 months " "
RG13/ 4582; Folio: 52; Page: 4
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This Thomas age 30 and Mary age 23 were at 7 Slate Street, Middlesbrough in 1891. He was a gas fitter.
RG12/ 4008; Folio 46; Page 25
The only way to be sure of Mary's surname is by the birth certificate of one of the children, but picking up on the middle initial P, there is an interesting marriage for a Thomas Pressick Watson to a Mary Ann Nimmo December qtr 1890 Middlesbrough 9d 1110.
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Hello MaryA,
This Thomas was a coal miner, my grandma told he was killed at the pit but I do not know where it was. It was a big family with 12 or more kids or so I was told.
Help this helps and thanks for your help already.
Regards,
Sunny Boy
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As you can imagine Annie Watson isn't an uncommon name but this was the one who turned up, right age and right named father, so if it's wrong then you are going to need more details to search with.
There are two suggestions I'd like to make, firstly since you have the exact date of birth and father's name you can order her birth certificate online at www.gro.gov.uk and this will give you her mother's name also, including maiden name and where they were living at the time of her birth, remember to specify the father's name. Also you can search the index of the 1901 census for yourself at http://www.1901censusonline.com/ and if you see an entry which you think might be correct then you can ask again for a look up.
Mary
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Thank you,
I've visited the web site, but you need an index number to be able to order a birth certificate before 1900.
The only other information I have about my Annie Watson is that she is a twin, but her twin died in infancy, so in a record of births there would be two babies of the same age, that ought to narrow it down.
Thanks again,
Sunny Boy
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Sunny Boy,
Could your grandmother have been born in 1892? On Free BMD there are the following entries for Huddersfield:
In Sep Q 1892 Annie Watson and Herbert Watson share the same birth ref: 9a 382 implying they were twins.
In Dec Q 1892 there is a death entry for Herbert age 0 ref: 9a 258
Dec Q 1883 Thomas Watson and Elizabeth Ann Johnson share a marriage ref: 9a 555.
In 1900 there is a death for Thomas Watson age 70 ???
On 1901 census there is a household headed by Elizabeth A Watson age 39
with son Thomas Wm age 14
daughter Annie age 8
son Jno Wm age 2
All born Huddersfield
The ref is RG13 4105 54 10 - someone on here may be able to look up the full details for you.
If someone could find Elizabeth and son Thomas in 1891 it might show her husband as well (hopefully also Thomas).
I hope this helps.
Pinetree
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Thank you Pinetree,
Although I have 1893 as her year of birth it could be a year or two either way.
I do not remember the place Huddersfield being mentioned, I remember places like, Normanton, Pontefract, and Cutsyke.
Her father was Thomas, who was a miner, he died in a pit accident, and she did have a brother called Thomas.
I do not know if her twin was a boy or girl.
I do not know her mothers name.
Annie married James KITCHEN in Wakefield in 1916, I've ordered a copy of the marriage certificate but I don't know if it can tell me any more.
Thanks again,
Sunny Boy
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This is the entry for the ref given by Pinetree
1 Roebricks Turn, Upperhead Row, Huddersfield
Elizabeth A Watson Head M 39 Rug Weaver Yorks Huddersfield
Thomas W Son S 14 Cafe Errand Boy " "
Annie daur 8 " "
John Wm Son 2 " "
In 1891 the only child that matches young Thomas for age and birthplace and coincidentally has the same middle initial, is
6 Deighton Road, Huddersfield
Thomas Watson Head M 29 Coachman Gardener Yorkshire Huddersfield
Ann E Wife M 29 " "
Thomas W Son 4 " "
Florrie daur 1 " "
RG12/ 3573; Folio 72; Page 51
To support this there is a death of Florrie Watson March qtr 1898 Huddersfield 9a 259 aged about 8 years old which is why she wouldn't show up on the 1901 census.
Of course with this occupation this may again not be your family but you are going to have to start somewhere with some facts and I would suggest that either you go with Pinetree's discovery of the twins entry and obtain the birth certificate for Annie and/or Herbert and confirm whether you believe it is your Annie - given the birthday the quarter would be right, even if the year is one out from what you originally throught. Alternatively you can search the BMD images yourself at http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx to see whether you can find another set of twins around the appropriate time.
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Hi everyone.
I've found an Annie Watson born at about the right time on the Free BMD web site. This Annie Watson's birth was registered in September 1893 in the Pontefract District, it's in Vol 9c page 101.
Please can someone look up the details of this family in the 1901 census. Annie would be 7 or 8.
Thanks to all of you,
Regards,
Sunny Boy
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Obviously we are looking within the Pontefract registration district, not just Pontefract as a town, which could well be a much larger area, also bearing in mind that
Annie would be 7 or 8.
they may well have moved somewhere else.
I'd be happy to give it a try, can you provide the mother's name from the birth certificate and the address where her birth was registered, so trying to find more of a family unit rather than just one little girl, and we'll start over again.
Have you now decided that Annie is this single child, rather than the twin as previously searched for?
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Hello!!
I cannot order a birth certificate until I've found the right Annie, it's like the chicken and the egg, what comes first in this game.
About being a twin, what if the twin was still born or only lived a few hours or days would he/she still have had to have been registered in those days?
Annie was born in June and it appears that this registration was in September, it's in the right area Pontefract and the right year 1893.
Only other help I have is that Annie's fathers name was Thomas Watson.
I know this is very little to go on and there being so many Annie Watson's. It's a very common name in Yorkshire.
Thanks in Advance,
Sunny Boy
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If the twin was born alive, even if (s)he only lived for a matter of minutes, then htere will be a birth registration and a death registration.
If (s)he was born dead, a stillbirth, then there wont.
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Annie was born in June and it appears that this registration was in September, it's in the right area Pontefract and the right year 1893.
You have her d-o-b as 30 Jun, so it is likely it will be early July before she is registered, and so the Quarter ending September (i.e births registered in July, Aug and Sept) will be the correct one.
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Sunny Boy,
I wonder if this family is worth a closer look:
RG13; Piece: 4299; Folio: 121; Page: 33.
It is transcribed as ROTON but it may be mistranscribed ??? They are in Pontefract and there is an Annie of the right age parents Thomas and Martha siblings Amy, Hilda, John Wm, Martha and Mary.
I can't look up the image for you but someone else might be able to.
Pinetree
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Thanks Pinetree and everyone else who is helping.
That last one looks like a possibility, worth a closer look.
I think we are getting close somehow.
Thanks again,
Sunny Boy
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hello
just had look at annie roton her father a blacksmith and the name is definateley roton
hol
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Okey, I've been away to talk to an elderly aunt who remembers Annie, and she has her Death Cert. She died in 1972 and it says that Annie was 79 years old at death.
My elderly aunt who is now 90 says Annie's father's name was Tom or Tommy or Thomas. Annie also had a brother called Tom, Tommy or Thomas who was lost in the Great War.
Annie used to say that when she was a young girl she used to take her fathers meal to him on a plate as he was not allowed to come home. He worked at the pit. He died because he fell while at work. We do not know where this pit was. We know it was in the West Riding. Annie was born in the West Riding. Her name may be slightly different to what we know it. Maybe Ann or Anne.
Her maiden name was Watson.
This is all we know. Not much is it.
Should be in the census of 1901 though. I would be grateful for a look-up.
Many thanks in advance.
Sunny Boy
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Just two things which came out with my conversation with my aunt. Annie's date of birth 30 Jun or 30 Jul and the name Esmeralda, but not sure if this was her mother's name or a sister. I sure hope this doesn't muddy the water.
Sunny Boy
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This seems to be the best I can do here and it's a possibility but it will have to be for you to follow up since there seems to be an error and I can't see the image.
In a household in Castleford, Yorkshire there seems to be this family
Eliza Bond 70
Amy Watson 7
Charlotte Watson 15
Emma Watson 38
Esmorala Watson 4
Joseph Watson 18
Mary E Watson 9
Thomas Watson 39
Thomas Watson 13
William Watson 14
Most of them seem to have been born in either Wasbo/Wasbre or Fryston and the mother Emma in Darlson. Looking at the way Esmeralda has been transcribed I would assume that the handwriting is not of the best and there is a possibility that "Amy" aged 7 might actually have been written "Anny". The occupation of father Thomas is a Coal Miner Hewer.
The reference is RG13/ 4305; Folio: 95; Page: 36
You should be able to view the original image if you search for the name Esmerala (be careful this is how it is spelled on that database) Watson on this site http://www.1901censusonline.com/ but you will need a voucher.
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I think you have found it Mary. That looks uncannily like the family I am looking for. And my elderly aunt agrees.
Is there anymore information there?
Is there anymore about this family in 1891?
Many thanks in advance,
Sunny Boy
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hello
i am unable to open this page and have been trying for 2 hours i have the family on 1891 census but not much use until we can view 1901 image.
if correct family there is a mother in law called bond which would make thomas marriage easier to find
hol
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Well there is an Esmeralda WATSON on Free BMD born Sep Q 1896 Pontefract 9c 106.
Might make your 1893 Annie ref for Pontefract look good especially as there is Elizabeth WATSON on next page to Annie - could be her twin ???
Pinetree
P.S. There is a death for an infant Elizabeth WATSON in Pontefract Sep Q 1893 9c 72
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Do you mean you recognise these names? How? you didn't know any before.
I'm reluctant to do a huge amount of delving until we know for sure, that assumption of "Anny" could well be Amy, who knows until somebody has viewed the original image. No there is no more information available about it from just the entries in the database that I'm able to see.
This is the 1891 census and from here you can check the 1881 census for yourself at www.familysearch.org but I can't see how you can be so certain with this little uncorroborated information.
8 Castle Street, Ferry Fryston, Yorkshire
Thomas Watson Head M 25 Coal Miner Barnsley Yorks
Emma Wife M Darlaston Staffs
Joe Son 7 Barnsley Yorks
Charlotte daur 5 " "
William Son 3 " "
Tom Son 2 " "
Eliza Bond Mother Widow 60 Hanley Staffs
Frank - brother M 30 Coal Miner Barnsley Yorks
George Watson Uncle Widr 55 " " "
Thomas Hirst Lodger Widr 45 " " "
Martha - Lodger Single 14 " "
RG12/ 3757; Folio 73; Page 18
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i am unable to open this page and have been trying for 2 hours
Not much point to keep trying if it isn't there, there's not the same problem with other images so it's specifically with this folio. The way around it is either to go to the Record Office as they will have the census on film or fiche, or purchase the image on the site I gave above.
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A Good Question Mary.
Before my sister died she tried to make a family tree in a notebook, my niece has it, my sister had written down some names, but I didn't know if it was reliable as she did it from memory. Some of those names mentioned are in the book and there are others, maybe born after 1901 which are not in the 1901 census, so what my sister had done was actually quite good. So that is how I now recognize them.
Sunny Boy
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Sunny boy I have the 1891 image if you would like it? Send me your email if you want me to send it to you.
Regards
Lee
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No intention to being rude, two hours trying when there is an error message just seems a little excessive. This isn't the first error I've encountered and there is a facility for reporting which I have done.
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Just two things which came out with my conversation with my aunt. Annie's date of birth 30 Jun or 30 Jul and the name Esmeralda, but not sure if this was her mother's name or a sister. I sure hope this doesn't muddy the water.
Hi, I have just joined Roots Chat and found your post dated 4 November 2006.
Annie Watson is my Grand Aunt,my mother is a Watson she is the daughter of William Watson 1887 and Eliza Holmes 1888.
Sunny Boy
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That's interesting, so what is your mother's name? if you don't mind me asking.
Have you looked at my Watson website?
Sunny Boy
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That's interesting, so what is your mother's name? if you don't mind me asking.
Have you looked at my Watson website? Hi thank you for the reply, my mothers name was Kathleen born 1910 cutsyke. She had 1 sister Ivy 1912, 2 brothers William 1920 and Donald 1922.
Sunny Boy
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Hi, If you want to get to my website click on the little house under Sunny Boy on the left of the screen, and it will come up, then click on Descendants of George Watson of Bentley, you will see the Watsons, Your mother Kathleen is missing from the list.
Sunny Boy
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Hi, If you want to get to my website click on the little house under Sunny Boy on the left of the screen, and it will come up, then click on Descendants of George Watson of Bentley, you will see the Watsons, Your mother Kathleen is missing from the list.
Sunny Boy Hi thank you for the information, the name Watson is like a mine field and like my name Newdick also my late wifes name Wilkinson.
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Let me know If I can help you with anything.
Sunny Boy