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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: paw42 on Thursday 19 October 06 20:19 BST (UK)
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We found my great great grandfather, his wife and daughter, living at this address in the 1871 Census
7 Velvet Walks, Bolton.
He is the illusive John Geary, 46 (1825), Head, Painter, Ireland whose son Patrick changed his name to Joseph Davenport - see separate thread. A general search on the internet revealed that Velvet Walks was in a slum area, long demolished by now. Can anyone throw any light on the conditions that they might have been living in in 1871?
Can anyone give me an approximate location of Velvet Walks in relation to modern Bolton?
paw
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Hi paw
The enumerator's description of the district containing Velvet Walks says it was bounded on the south side by Deansgate & on the north side by the River Croal. It contains the north side of Deansgate to Market Street & also contains Knowsley Street & Corporation Street.
Deansgate, Knowsley Street & Corporation Street are all still there & the river hasn't moved ::)
I'd try googling for a map of Bolton
Regards
SandraC
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The description of the enumeration district says the place was between Deansgate and the River Croal, in the area to the west of Knowsley St.
The area as shown in 1850 on www.old-maps.co.uk shows the hotch-potch of buildings before redevelopment.
The 1871 census mentions Knowsley St, which by then had been built through the middle of what had been a timber yard in 1850. Later the Market Hall was built on the east side of Knowsley St, and the Victoria Halls on the west.
Obviously, the area was in the course of redevelopment, which implies that the houses there would be pretty dire. There are 5 children and a lodger with the couple at number 11, which is probably a similar size to number 7.
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Hello Paw42. I remember Velvet Walks from when I was quite young in the late 1940's and early 50's. At that time I lived in Bark Street which was just around the corner.
Walking along Knowsley Street towards the Town Hall Square, pass the Victoria Hall on right and Market Hall on left, just before the junction with Deansgate was a narrow opening on the right. Along there on the right was Velvet Walks one of a number of very narrow streets of back to back housing. Going further along a left turn would take you onto Deansgate. I recall using it as a short cut. I also recall a fishmongers shop on the corner of Velvet Walks.
It would be no injustice to describe the area as a slum.
Thanks for the trip down Memory Lane.
Jim
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My uncle wrote the book Velvet Walks
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Hello Paw42. I remember Velvet Walks from when I was quite young in the late 1940's and early 50's. At that time I lived in Bark Street which was just around the corner.
Walking along Knowsley Street towards the Town Hall Square, pass the Victoria Hall on right and Market Hall on left, just before the junction with Deansgate was a narrow opening on the right. Along there on the right was Velvet Walks one of a number of very narrow streets of back to back housing. Going further along a left turn would take you onto Deansgate. I recall using it as a short cut. I also recall a fishmongers shop on the corner of Velvet Walks.
It would be no injustice to describe the area as a slum.
Thanks for the trip down Memory Lane.
Jim
Yes Jim & I used to work at Co-op Eyecare where Argos is now on the corner of Bark Street & the River Croal ran underneath it.We could go down to it & it went behind the indoor Market across the road & still runs past the back of the Post Office on Deansgate.
I was told when I used to do my research that when you see Little Bolton on any documents that was north of the Croal & Gt.Bolton was south of the Croal.
Betty
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I have a photograph (taken from a 1950's book) of Velvet Walks, taken probably between the wars. If anyone would like a copy just xxxxxxx and I'll be pleased to oblige!
Golding 41.
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My uncle wrote the book Velvet Walks
Julz-Dave...just found this site and coincidentally I'm currently reading your Uncle's book Velvet Walks. My 4th Great Grandparent Peter Malone and Ann Slater lived on Velvets Walks which I found on the 1841 Census. They were originally from Tyrone and Belfast Ireland. They passed in England but their children as adults moved to Massachusetts in the late 1850's. Mill workers and then enlisted in our Civil War. Found all this from years of digging on Ancestry. I didn't even know my Grandather when I began researching. I was looking for the name Velvet Walks hoping to find an old street map when I came upon your Uncle's book. Enjoying the book, character and getting a clearer picture of the beginning of my Father's Malone line. Happy you mentioned his book. Quite a surprise. Barbara
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Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the book Velvet Walks? It is unavailable at the booksellers/Amazon etc.
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My uncle wrote the book Velvet Walks
Julz-Dave...just found this site and coincidentally I'm currently reading your Uncle's book Velvet Walks. My 4th Great Grandparent Peter Malone and Ann Slater lived on Velvets Walks which I found on the 1841 Census. They were originally from Tyrone and Belfast Ireland. They passed in England but their children as adults moved to Massachusetts in the late 1850's. Mill workers and then enlisted in our Civil War. Found all this from years of digging on Ancestry. I didn't even know my Grandather when I began researching. I was looking for the name Velvet Walks hoping to find an old street map when I came upon your Uncle's book. Enjoying the book, character and getting a clearer picture of the beginning of my Father's Malone line. Happy you mentioned his book. Quite a surprise. Barbara
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the book Velvet Walks? It is unavailable at the booksellers/Amazon etc.
On Deansgate in Bolton there is a book shop named Sweetens I am almost certain they would be able to assist you in getting a copy of the book.Sweetens bookshop has been there many,many years & they are most helpful in all matters to do with the history of Bolton.
Good Luck
Betty
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Thank you Betty.
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Thank you Betty.
Sweetens Book Shop 86 Deansgate Bolton BL1
Tel No: 01204 528457
Apparently the building has been there since 1700s so will have been there when Velvet Walks were
there.I would say just behind where Sweetens shop is.There is a possibilty that it used to be a pub/hotel at one time.
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https://www.brownsbfs.co.uk/Product/Grant-Jonathan/Velvet-walks/9780957406605
The above Supplier appears to have the Book in stock.
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Hi
Just came across your post and my husbands family lived in Velvet Walks in the 1800's.
The reason I have come in is because Sweetens Bookshop is no longer on Deansgate and poss closed down. The row of old shops are boarded up and please don't quote me but, poss due for demolition :'(
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Hi
Just came across your post and my husbands family lived in Velvet Walks in the 1800's.
The reason I have come in is because Sweetens Bookshop is no longer on Deansgate and poss closed down. The row of old shops are boarded up and please don't quote me but, poss due for demolition :'(
Oh! dear that is so sad.Sweetens Bookshop gone. I do hope they have re-opened somewhere else in Bolton. Goodness knows how many years they were there.It is one of my dearest memories.I was one of their regular customers before leaving the UK.Perhaps Megadith will be succesful in getting her book via the suppliers advised by Sandblown.I sincerely hope so.
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Hi
Just came across your post and my husbands family lived in Velvet Walks in the 1800's.
The reason I have come in is because Sweetens Bookshop is no longer on Deansgate and poss closed down. The row of old shops are boarded up and please don't quote me but, poss due for demolition :'(
Oh! dear that is so sad.Sweetens Bookshop gone. I do hope they have re-opened somewhere else in Bolton. Goodness knows how many years they were there.It is one of my dearest memories.I was one of their regular customers before leaving the UK.Perhaps Megadith will be succesful in getting her book via the suppliers advised by Sandblown.I sincerely hope so.
You might find this link interesting or not and yes it is so sad. It actually closed 10 years ago in August :-(
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/9181925.the-final-chapter-in-shops-history/
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Hi
Just came across your post and my husbands family lived in Velvet Walks in the 1800's.
The reason I have come in is because Sweetens Bookshop is no longer on Deansgate and poss closed down. The row of old shops are boarded up and please don't quote me but, poss due for demolition :'(
Oh! dear that is so sad.Sweetens Bookshop gone. I do hope they have re-opened somewhere else in Bolton. Goodness knows how many years they were there.It is one of my dearest memories.I was one of their regular customers before leaving the UK.Perhaps Megadith will be succesful in getting her book via the suppliers advised by Sandblown.I sincerely hope so.
You might find this link interesting or not and yes it is so sad. It actually closed 10 years ago in August :-(
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/9181925.the-final-chapter-in-shops-history/
Thank you:So sad to read the demise of this lovely bookshop.Its a shame that so many businesses have also gone from the town.Sadly I'm afraid we will never see the recovery of many townships who have lost a lot of their shops.I fear that internet shopping is the main cause & it is called progress.I dont think so.