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Hi everyone. I have just joined Webchat and am hoping that someone more experienced than me can help! I have a copy of a marriage cert. from 1844 but cannot make out the forenames of the two fathers. Without these I cannot go back another generation. I would be very grateful if someone could have a look at the attached cert. and let me know what they think! Many thanks
Moderator comment: image resized
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I think Mr Lent may be Jas. (short for James); the other one could be another abbreviation - how about Rbt, for Robert?
Gareth
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Agree Jas, how bout Jno - John for Mr Taylor ?
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Jas. and Jno get my vote too.
Originally I thought the second one was something like Eli, but no, I think the first letter is the same as the J in Jas. - though to be honest most of his capital letters seem to look the same whatever they are!!!
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Hi ....well I agree Jas= James...
Could the other be..short for Richard.... looks like Ric
Tazzie
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Not sure I agree that both capitals look the same - the J starts with the loop and the next letter begins at the bottom; the second capital starts at the bottom and seems to loop into the next letter. Richard could be OK?
Gareth
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Jas = James and
Rd = Richard gets my vote!
Welcome to Rootschat Carol! :)
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Welcome!
James and Richard gets my vote, too.
meles
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the J starts with the loop
the second capital starts at the bottom and seems to loop into the next letter
I think he has just started with a bigger loop on the second J !!
Sorry - still go for Jno
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Find 'em on the census to settle it !
Oh dear, the image resizing has lost the Parish info ....
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Thank you soooooo much for your help! I will now trail through the census with all the names suggested and see what I can find. I love this site!!!
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I havent got all the refs yet, but there is an Ann LENT married head in Doncaster in 1851 with children Emma & Rose, mother-in-law (sic) Mary Taylor widow aged 45.
Then there is a matching family in 1841 in Doncaster, the father is a hairdresser, but his name is Thomas!?! HO107/1340/5/10/13
I think I need to look again later!
It doesn't say Thomas on your cert, that's a cert!!
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You know, it could actually be Tho ....
Gareth
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Tho - hmmm. It's not often I say this (ask my other half!), but I might just have been wrong...
meles
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Hi Arranroots
The image you mentioned has the elder Thomas as a Flaxdresser not a hairdresser. So it does match the cert!
Regards
Andy
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In my defence I claim a heavy cold which is rendering me stupid (hopefully just temporary!!)
;D ;D
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Please remind me - was the Groom's name Frederick ?
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Get well soon Arranroots.
Wish I had an excuse but I don't ;D
Regards
Andy
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Yes Scroppers
Frederick LENT 20 and Ann TAYLOR 19
;)
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If this cert is for 1844, have we found Ann Taylor, aged about 16 ish on the 1841 census? Also Frederick Lent aged about 17 ish?
And if the 1851 finding is 'our' Ann Lent, then where is Fred? If this is the right family then Ann's dad whatever his name, died between 1844 and 1851.
So, if the family that was found in 1841 with the Dad being Thomas (did they have a 16 year old Ann?, you didnt say) is the right one there must be a death for a Thomas Taylor between those years.
Got people coming round soon - but I'll see if I can find any death before they arrive...
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I think it's
James LENT
& John TAYLOR
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Hi and Welcome to Rootschat Carol - this is the best site to be on and you will find loads of helpful advice on here :D
subee x
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There are 2 Thomas Taylor deaths on Ancestry's FreeBMD in Doncaster between 1844 and 1851:
AMJ 1844 and JAS 1845
Dont quite know what that means! I guess if one of these is a Flaxdresser, and leaves a widow Mary, and better still if the address at death matches the census, then it links it all together and it looks like Ann's dad was a Thomas and not a John or a Richard!!!
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Hi, I'm new to this list. I too have this certificate as Frederick Lent was my 3 x great grandfather. I have the fathers as James and Henry but have not been able to progress any further back at this stage!
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Welcome to Rootschat Denise! :)
Looks like you two are related!
Do you have Henry's name from any other source, or is this your interpretation of the hand-writing? It seems to have defeated us!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Denise
That is amazing that we are looking at the same person and cerificate. According to my records Frederick Lent is my fathers great great grandfather, through his daughter Mary Ann Lent. I would love to hear what your findings are. We might indeed be related!
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Hi Carol,
Frederick and Ann's daughter Rose married Henry George Ravenhill in Bradford on 13th April 1869. They had 10 children, the fifth of which was Edgar Frederick Ravenhill. He married Eliza Scholey in Doncaster on 28th October 1899 and my Nan was their daughter, Lily Ravenhill. You probably have copies of the censuses which show that Frederick and Ann moved to Halifax (coincidentally where I was born and brought up) and Frederick is listed as a Publican in 1861 - I have been trying to find out which pub he would have run as they were living in the town centre (St John's Street). Do you have anything else - I know that Frederick died in the workhouse - Rose had been in Halifax with him and her siblings until her mother died but moved back to Doncaster after the death of her son.
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Hi Denise
My father is descended from Frederick and Anns third child Mary Ann who is my fathers Grandmother. She married Joseph Sladdin in Halifax on 21/8/1876 and they had eight children so big familes run in the family! My Dad was told about his Grandmother taking his mother (Jessie Sladdin, their youngest) to visit relatives in Askern, Doncaster. He also mentioned that his Grandmother (Mary Ann) was brought up in a pub. He seems to think that John Street is no longer there, apparently it was slum property. Do you still live in Halifax? My Dad grew up there but now lives in Ireland. ** I would love to hear from you again. You seem to have found a lot of extra info. like the fact that Frederick died in a workhouse, which is sad.
Carol
** Moderator comment: personal information removed to avoid identifying living people in accordance with Rootschat policy. Please use the PM system to exchange information of a confidential nature
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Hi Carol - I am new to this chatroom so unsure what PM is. (mesage put on from moderator). If you can let me have your email address, I can scan the death certificates that I have for both Frederick and Ann. I currently live in Leeds but my mother still lives in Halifax. Part of the original John Street still exists - it is near the old Nat West Bank and would have run up past the old bus station. I am happy to give you my email address if you want it.
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Sorry, that was my fault!
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Good luck!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)