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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Siouxzie on Monday 16 October 06 12:47 BST (UK)
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I am completely new to the Canada board so apologies in advance if I appear to be an idiot. :P
Someone on Genes Reunited suggested my great grandfather's brother Frederick Charles Bearman might have a Canadian connection.
So I looked at the Canadian resources board and searched a few of the links given. Bingo! I have found Attestation papers for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force. Dated 2nd Jan 1915, Fred Charles gives his next of kin as Frederick William Bearman, which is the name of my 2 x great grandfather and his dads address as Ladywell London, which is Lewisham apparently and not a million miles from Greenwich where the family originated. So I think I have the right man.
Two questions 1. Where do I go now ? I looked at CWGC, it doesn't look like he died in that conflict. Do you think he stayed in Canada, whereabouts is he likely to be, how do I search BMD's ?
and 2. On the attestation paper there was something that puzzled me. 2nd Page deals with height, description etc and religion. The form has the word YEW typed in the space slightly above the religiious denominations section, just under his hair colour. Is he Jewish ?
It definitely says YEW not Jew.
Siouxzie
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Hi Siouxzie,
Welcome to the Canada Board, and no one ever looks like an idiot here :)
I looked at the second page of the attestation papers and I would say that it is a typo and it should read "yes" for Church of England. The "s" and "w" are close on the keyboard.
You can order his full attestation papers which would consist of a lot more information.
It looks like he signed up in Weyburn, Saskatchewan.
Karen
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Thanks for that Karen,
Yes, "YES" of course...I can see that now, I didn't think he was Jewish.
I think I will order the attestation papers then.
Also thanks for giving me the area he signed up in.
I'm quite excited this is the first of my great grandfather's siblings I have more information on than just a birthdate.
Siouxzie
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Hello hello
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. -- If he signed up in Weyburn he MAY have been apart of the South Saskatchewan Regiment (once you order the attestation papers). His war record/file is still probably in Ottawa if you wish to search there.
As well I found a Frank Bearman in the homestead index for Saskatchewan
:)
Jeff
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Thanks Jeff
I'd love to find some Bearman's connected to me living in somewhere so exotic sounding as Saskatchewan.
Siouxzie
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Trust me if you lived here you wouldn't find it as exotic :D
I couldn't help but notice your family interests are Miles from Berks. I am doing researching in a part of Hampshire/Berks that has a bunch of Miles on it?? Any connections to the MIles family in Kingsclere?
To inquire to see who Frank Bearman was (year of birth etc.) go to this addy and they will probably be able to help you out. It is the Saskatchewan Archives Board, they hold the homestead files where I found the Frank Bearman.
http://www.saskarchives.com/web/contact.html
Jeff
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Oh, that exotic place we call Saskatchewn... 8) Nothing like a few feet of snow
to get you feeling all warm and cozy, is there? Well you've got to give them
credit for their endurance & tough skin, anyway...
I'm from Saskatchewan, but I live in Manitoba now, so I haven't access to
anything but online resources which are few...plus, your man likely came on the
scene just prior to enlisting, which makes it even tougher as if he wasn't there
for the 1911 census, there are only births available for vitals statistics.....and
let's put it this way, my oldest aunt who just died last year at 99.... was finally
put on the database this year ... ( it's a hundred years or more) Marriages
have to be more than 75 years ago but aren't even available yet. ..
I did however find another Saskatchewn Bearman, closer to mid-century over
in Swift Current...he is in a photograph...found here: http://scaa.sk.ca/sain/
Both places are in Southern Saskatchewn...but Swift current is in the Western
side, and Weyburn further to the Eastern side...
Now to put things into perspective....you could probably fit 2 of the U.K. into
this Province....so proximity changes from that point of view... ::)
There also isn't a huge chance that he came back to Sask. after the war, but
may have been staying with a relative there at time of signup....(Since it was
in January, especially...BRRRRR)...But hey, Manitoba gets even more snow in
winter and men returned here, so you never know...Haha ;D
J.J.
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There are 3 listings for living Bearman all in Southern Sask....on this site
http://findaperson.canada411.ca/ Regina is between the 2 mentioned
locales with Moosejaw further South.
Sorry couldn't be of more help..All the Best J.J.
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Thank you J.J. for putting that into perspective for me. Although isn't Winnepeg known better as Winterpeg???
Just for clarification as well there are a few Bearman obits up in my neck of the woods in Saskatoon will have a look see when I have a moment.
Jeff
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I thought Dog River was where it all took place in Canada ;D
Karen
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Oh, Dear me Siouxzie (cute title)...seems we've kidnapped your thread so that I can be teased about my place of birth :P :D The Dog River thing is a comedy show filmed in a small town in Saskatchewan...We were looking at moving to Rouleau, years ago, as they have a really strong arts community.. Hubbies dad's cousin lived there and he loved it!...but the winter driving, yanking son to a new school...Decided against it... J.J.
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Thanks all for your help, suggestions and little bit of flavour of the area
Jeff,
Early on in my Miles research I did note the Kingsclere Miles family, but as yet havn't found any connection to mine. Mine are Buckinghamshire Paper makers before turning up in Windsor Berkshire.
Oh to have the 1911 uk census online. I'd know if he was still in England then. When I've some spare cash I shall definitely send for his military records.
As you point out Canada is such a vast country and he could have settled anywhere after the war. I guess tracking him down is not going to be easy.
Thanks again
Siouxzie (it was how I usd to sign my name as a pretentious 11 year old JJ the S was always a snake ::))
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Well our 1911 isn't transcribed completely, so??! I did check both of the 1906 transcribed records and he wasn't on there.... Here is the 1911 and you can check every so often to see if he shows...
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test4.jsp
Put in the surname under saskatchewan, but I would also hit "all" on the next page to see results in all of Canada, as he could be anywhere...or on the way there, you never know.... ;D all the best, J.J.
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Hi Siouxzie,
My name is William Frederick (Bill) Bearman. I currently live in Regina, Saskatchewan. My father is Frederick Ross Bearman (also of Regina) and his father was Frederick Charles Bearman, originally of London. My Dad also has a sister Shirley Bearman (now Blackburn) who resides in Saskatoon, Sask.
Grandpa did fight in Europe in World War 1 and upon his return to Canada married Margaret Nicol (originally from Glasgow, Scotland) and worked for the railroad in Swift Current, Saskatchewan. Grandpa passed away around 1970.
I'd love to share more details but want to get my facts and dates straight so I'll need my Dad's help with that. Post me back and we can go from there.
I'm totally new to this so appreciate your patience. Look forward to hearing from you.
Bill
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Oh wow Bill, Hello
I have to say your post has got me excited, because it seems really likely you and I could be related. Your father's middle name "Ross" is the reason for my excitement and the fact you are a William. William, Frederick and Ross all being family names in my Bearman line. The Ross comes from Martha Matilda Ross who was the wife of Frederick William Bearman and mother of Frederick Charles. They had 10 children my great grandfather William John being one of them, one of the younger brother's Bertie also has Ross as a middle name. My great grandad William John was the eldest son, Frederick Charles was the 6th child another of the brothers Edwin/Edmond/Edmund (some confusion over his name - but he was known as Ted) Stanley also ended up living in Canada and today I am in touch with his 18 year old descendant Brandon in Cold Lake Alberta, through my facebook genealogy forum (Bearman genealogy forum).
I have a picture of Frederick Charles sent to me by the grandaughter of his first wife Eva Wilson he married her in 1921, she remarrried in 1929 but had kept his photograph the mount is inscribed Saskatchewan Canada. Debbie who sent me the photo is Evas grand daughter from her second marriage.
The railroad connection is interesting too, because FC's dad FW and his brother WJ both worked on the railway too, my great grandad was a railway porter and his father has the occupation Engine Cleaner on the 1901 census.
Do you think we have the same Frederick Charles ? Have you photographs ? I would love him to be the one and the same, I have quite a lot of information on this family
Suzanne :D
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Hi Suzanne,
Wow is right. That is without a doubt my Grandfather so it looks very likely that we are related.
I spoke with my Mom and Dad this evening over the phone and they're quite excited about this (Dad had never seen this photo before so that was strange for him). They're going to get the family history organized along with some photos and we're anxious to share all this with you. Dad knew that there were 9 in the family but it's likely there could have been one more we weren't aware of. Ted Bearman lived not far from here in Assiniboia, Sk. Ted was married to Mabel and his son, Ron (Dad's cousin), still lives in Moose Jaw which is only 45 minutes from Regina. Ron had 2 other brothers, Doug & Bert.
We didn't know anything about Eva Wilson so this was a real surprise. Grandpa married Margaret Nicol on June 25, 1925 in Medicine Hat, Alberta. I remember Grandpa well but I was only 9 or so when he died. Dad's always said that Grandpa never talked much about his family in England and would just say that he'd lost track of them after the war. We're certainly very interested in finding out more about this.
I've attached the one photo of Grandpa I have stored on my computer. This was taken at Mom & Dad's wedding in 1960. You'll be able to pick Frederick Charles out second from the left. At the left is Jim Aberdeen, Dad's best man who was referenced in a Sask Archives photo earlier in this thread along with Dad (they were doing a sing-along on a train car). To the right of Grandpa is his daughter (my Aunt) Shirley, and to her right my Dad, Frederick Ross. The fellow on the far right is another family friend.
I'll compile more information Suzanne along with photos and we'll talk to you soon.
Bill
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Hi Bill,
couldn't wait to get up this morning to see if you replied, normally you can't shift me from my bed! Brandon Ted's great grandson being a typical teenage lad, (I've got 3 myself) said yes I am related to you, I'll get you more information and then school, cars & sport took over and he hasn't or we might have known about the connection sooner. Brandon is the grandson of Doug.
I love that photo of Frederick Charles as I have no pictures of my great grandfather Willliam John and how it came to me was such a fluke, as the girl who had it not even being a blood relation to him. She, Debbie didn't know much about FC only that he married Eva Wilson her nan on August 20th 1921 at All Saints Church, Shooters Hill London, he was 30 and she was 23. His profession was labourer. He lived at 27 Eglinton Road, she lived at number 23. His father's profession was a fitter as was her father. As well as two male witnesses, a third name is squashed down the side of the certificate apparently and it is Dorothy Bearman. FC had a sister called Alice Dorothy.
I have information on this family going back to c 178ish and could spend all day collating it for you - unfortunately I have a massive deadline at work and must resist the temptation today. I will say Bill you are from long line of William's.
William Bearman c 17?? father of William Bearman c 1812 in Bocking Essex, (who married Jane Pine) father of Frederick William 4/4/1859 who married (Martha Ross) who was father to your Frederick and my William. The eldest son of William c 1812 and Jane was called William and his decendants live in Peterborough UK, I am in touch with them and one of them (Derek Duddington) believes that he has found the parents of my first William, he says:
"William Bearman was born in Bocking on 7th Jan 1808 and baptised @ St. Mary's church on 1st April. He was the Son of William Bearman and Rhoda Burman, who where married on 8th Jan 1804 @ St. Mary's. Other children are Mary brn 29 Mar bap 17 Apr 1805 : Eliza brn 8 May bpt 24 Jun 1809 : Elizabeth brn 25 Oct 1815, PR states fathers occupation in 1815 was a Wheelwright."
Suzanne
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Hey JJ
Did you see that after nearly 5 years of this post being here, we have a result and that your photo archive find of a Bearman singing in a train car, is actually the son of Frederick Charles!
Dont you just love Rootschat!
Suzanne :D
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Wow, that is all just fabulous...Welcome to Rootschat Bill. Yes Siouxzie this is a wonderful site. We all enjoy it, and especially these little reunion outcomes, very much!
In case you don't have it FindMyPast/AOB has him coming here, I think in 1913
BEARMAN, F C b. 1891 / from Liverpool to Quebec Canada and perhaps his return passage in 1921 as well.
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
Have a great time sharing across the pond! J.J.
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Thanks J.J.
I understand my Aunt stumbled across the thread from 2006 after doing a Google search of my Grandfather's name this past weekend. She was quite excited as were my parents and the excitement continues to build with this new found connection to Suzanne and new information about our past.
I'm new to genealogy but I keep thinking what an incredible tool the internet is for this. What we accomplished in a couple of days would have likely taken years (or not been possible) before the web.
Thanks for the link to the passenger lists. This is so interesting.
Bill
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/33077557780/
Take a look at this forum, if you have Bearman ancestry there might be other's on there searching for the same branch :)
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hello, I know you asked this along time ago but if you read this I have some information. I believe my grandmothers father is Frederick Charles bearman. she grew up in swift current and still lives in Saskatchewan!
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Hello jmydr & welcome to rootschat. Be sure to read all 3 pages! I looked at Bill's & Suzanne's profiles & they've not been active for over a year...but notified them in case notification was turned off.
To all Bearman rellies:
F.C.Bearman's military files are now digitized & online. ( click on the link ) You can download & save to your computer ...for free ( Lucky, as we had to pay for this service, but they are doing it as a freebie now...) He had one gunshot wound & a scalding, otherwise appears to have been o.k. ( well, They never mention the horrid chemical gassings that would affect the lads lungs for the rest of their lives.)
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=30872
The image of his arrival in 1913 http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-quebec-port-1865-1900/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=3899028&
Says headed "to brother" in Regina, Saskatchewan! There was another one here?
The 1921 census also available for free, but they may be horribly misstranscribed. ( I also looked for Margaret, but didn't find her so last name scribbled I suppose) http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
Or did he return later than that? "Frederick Harles Bearman" on a Que passenger list in 1924.
and looking back on thread... just noted that he may have only arrived back as early as 1921 anyway, & wasn't married yet as now see Bill stated it was 1925, so he likely never made the census either way.
To Bill ... condolences on recent passing of your father...
To Suzanne if you are still upkeeping a genealogy site, F.C. died Apr 7 1970 / Margaret Oct 15 1979
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Hello J.J.
Sadly my wife Suzanne is no longer with us; aged 53 she passed away last December after having been diagnosed with cancer some eighteen months previous.
Good luck with your Bearman genealogy,
Regards, AN.
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Oh, I am shocked & saddened and so very sorry for the loss of your gal.....Will let Rootschat know so as not to disturb you again by p.m.