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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: AH on Tuesday 09 November 04 15:07 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
Just started trying to trace the Roxburgh arm of my family tree. The details I have are
James Roxburgh b 1868 d1939m 1)Annie kenyon Douglas m 2) Jessie Mathilde Lindsay, (James was born at D(orH)onoch Cottage, Galston, Ayrshire)
James Roxburgh (1868-1939)
Father = James Roxburgh
Mother = Mary Donaldson
Siblings= Agnes, Jean, Joanna, Mary and John
Any ideas where would be the best place to look next? I haven't done any Scottish research before....does the census etc cover Scotland too?
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Hiya AH,
Welcome to Rootschat. ;D
Scotland is the best place to research! Personally of all the UK it is by far the easier - but I am completely biased.
In general the census is the same in Scotland as in England and Wales. The LDS have not published the 1881 online :-\ but I have it and have looked up your family. More in a moment...
THE website is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
On here you'll find BMD for statutory registration for pre-1954 deaths, pre-1928 marriages, and pre-1903 births - All post 1855. It is a pay per view site but not hugely expensive a minimum of £6 but one cert = £1.20 (better than £7 in England).
All the OPR are indexed but not the images - they (in my opinion) are over priced to order the image - you often don't get much more info.
It also has the 1881, 1891 & 1901 census pay perview. You can get 1881 look ups here - quite a few of us do them.
Back to your family... ;D
Is this them?
There is a Galston conection and the sibling names are correct but not the wife - could it be a second wife?
Dwelling: 40 Mc Intosh St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203640 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 73 Page 3
James ROXBURGH M 45 M Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Shopman Grocery
Joan ROXBURGH M 45 F Stevenston, Ayr
Rel: Wife
Mary C. ROXBURGH U 17 F Dalry, Ayr
Rel: Dau
Occ: Shopwoman Hosiery
John ROXBURGH U 15 M Old Monkland, Lanark
Rel: Son
Occ: Com Clark Cloth
Agnes G. ROXBURGH U 14 F Old Monkland, Lanark
Rel: Dau
James ROXBURGH U 13 M Old Monkland, Lanark
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Joanna D. ROXBURGH 9 F Old Monkland, Lanark
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Jeanie B. ROXBURGH 7 F New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Where did you get James juniors mothers name?
Also James' place of birth differs. But otherwise a good connection - What do you think?
Pam
;D
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Thankyou very much!!
I think that seemes quite possible. The information on James (junior) mother comes from my Gran. She knew I was interested in my family history and before she died, wrote down what she could remember. I have never checked any of it before, I just have a piece of paper with her handwritten notes. She gives all the same names but in a slightly different order and has Mary Donaldson as James'swife. Her notes read
'James left home after quarrels with his brother John. James added his mothers surname to his own. His father and Uncles were in the provisions trade and his two cousins Thomas and James used to visit us when they came to Manchester. They had a warehouse in London'
James (junior) was her dad and in 1901 was a policeman in Manchester.
I'll try the site you mention!
Thanks once again!
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Heres some other 1881 families that may be of interest then...
Dwelling: 13 Cross St
Census Place: Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203597 GRO Ref Volume 593 EnumDist 7 Page 3
John ROXBURGH W 54 M Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Inspector Of Poor
Mary Y. ROXBURGH U 29 F Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Hugh G. ROXBURGH U 17 M Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Drapers Apprentice
Agnes G. ROXBURGH 10 F Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Catherine Y. ROXBURGH 5 F Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Dwelling: 106 West Main Street
Census Place: Loudoun, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203604 GRO Ref Volume 603 EnumDist 10 Page 1
Hugh ROXBURGH M 67 M Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Muslin Weaver Unemployed
Isabella ROXBURGH M 64 F Mauchline, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Jeanie ROXBURGH U 24 F Galston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Winder
John ROXBURGH 2 M Darvel, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Grand Son
There are 58 Galston born Roxburghs in 1881 - let me know if you want them all.
P ;D
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Hello
I'm fairly certain the first list of Roxburgh's tie in. Especially given the occupation of Grocer.It may be that james senior re-married after James junior?
Also where is Barony. I tried to look it up on Streetmap which gave a list of options but I wasn't sure which one? Is Barony very small or a suburb?
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Hiya,
Check out Genuki it gives a description and tells you how hard it is to see it on modern maps!
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Barony/index.html
All the best,
Pam
;D
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Not sure if AH is still around (I have sent a PM) but I think that we are related. I just discovered (last night) that James Roxburgh (b 1836) was my great-great grandfather!
stuartroxy
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Pam,
I think that AH missed a bit from the 1871 census. I think that James was married to Joan nee Donaldson; his mother-in-law Mary Donaldson was in their house on the day of the census.
stuartroxy
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Pam,
If the offer of the of the Roxburgh census information is still open, I'll gladly take you up on them!
I have discovered a bit more; my great x 5 grandfather was born around 1724 in Ross and Cromarty - just over the Moray Firth from Elgin!
As Mrs Roxy says - 'just in time to become cannon fodder at Culloden!'
Stuartroxy
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I now think that the Ross and Cromarty link might be a red herring. I think that FamilySearch.org (other research sites are available) might have linked Milntown - where James indicated he was from on his marriage certificate - as being Milntown, Ross and Cromarty; it could possibly be Milntown in Dumfriesshire. I think that is more likely (for no other reason than they are closer to Aryshire!).
Stuart.
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There are one or two Roxburghs buried in Loudoun Kirkyard, I have a little bit of info on them - at least one is tied in with the name Lindsay. Have a look at our wiki http://loudounkirk.wetpaint.com. I have been adding a lot of registrations for birth, marriages and death for the Loudoun/Galston area and I know one in particular is associated with a ghost story!! E-mail me direct for more info.
Agnes
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I now think that I may have made 2 + 2 + 25! Now not sure that I am related to AH; at least not via that path that I thought!
Stuart
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My great grandmother was from Galston, Ayr, Scotland. Her name was Mary Roxburgh, daughter of Andrew and Mary Hindlay (Henley) Roxburgh. He was born in 1833 in Galston. They married in Stewarton in 1856. Andrew's parents were John Roxburgh and Agnes Sharp. I cannot find much on Mary Hindlay, other than she was born around 1835 in Kilmarnock.
Mary Roxburgh came to the US in the late 1880s, married a John Clyde, and had two sons: William and Eschol. Both John and Mary died at an early age, leaving the two young sons to be raised by her sister.
I have a haunting photograph (studio) of Mary and her two sons, William and Eschol (my grandfather.) I wonder about her - what was her live like and why did she leave Scotland.
From what I can find, her father, Andrew came to the US in 1900.
Any suggestions as to finding out more about this side of my family? Does anyone else out there have this connection?
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It would appear that Mary's father was Joseph Hindlay, a soldier and her mum Lillias Crawford.
Hope that helps
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Hello,
Just started trying to trace the Roxburgh arm of my family tree. The details I have are
James Roxburgh b 1868 d1939m 1)Annie kenyon Douglas m 2) Jessie Mathilde Lindsay, (James was born at D(orH)onoch Cottage, Galston, Ayrshire)
James Roxburgh (1868-1939)
Father = James Roxburgh
Mother = Mary Donaldson
Siblings= Agnes, Jean, Joanna, Mary and John
Any ideas where would be the best place to look next? I haven't done any Scottish research before....does the census etc cover Scotland too?
I have your whole family history, been doing it for years. We are cousins. Get back to me!!
Georgina
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Not sure if AH is still around (I have sent a PM) but I think that we are related. I just discovered (last night) that James Roxburgh (b 1836) was my great-great grandfather!
stuartroxy
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I have a huge Galston Roxburgh family history and we are all related you, AH and I. Please get back to me.
Georgina
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Please get in touch with me. I'm related to you and have more information about the Roxburghs than you can believe including relatives in New Zealand, South Africa, the States, England, Scotland and Canada where I am.
Cheers,
Georgina
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There is a Robert Roxburgh (place & date unknown) married a Mary McWalter 1875 at Galston, he was a coal miner, 2 children Janet 1875 & Catherine 1878 both born Galston.
Janet went on to marry a Alexander D. Paul in Glasgow.
Any connection?
Robert Roxburgh b. 1850 Galston, parents Mathew Roxburgh b.1820 Galston and Janet Law b.Kirkoswald. Married 1849 Galston. Other children John 1846 & Mathew 1847.
Mathew was HLW 41-71 & 75 Grocer.
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Hi
I am descended from Roxburgh of Galston. My grandmother was Agnes Murdoch Roxburgh born Galston 18 April 1895. Her and her twin sister Susan Fullarton came to New Zealand in 1912 on their own age 17!!
Their father was James Gold Roxburgh mother Margaret Wilson Alexander siblings were James (killed WW1 1915) Hugh Alexander and Allan (died as a baby 1905). Their mother died in 1905 (possibly childbirth?)
Their grandparents were James Gold Roxburgh and Susan Fullarton. Susan was James second wife he was previously married to and also had children to Agnes Brown.
Any information you can supply will be gratefully. Interest in my Scottish ancestry again has been ignited by two of my children being in Scotland for the rugby test last week.
I hope to visit Scotland again as my last visit was in 1975!
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At least your children would have enjoyed the game!
;)
stuartroxy
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At least your children would have enjoyed the game!
;)
stuartroxy
Yes but can we ever win the Rugby World Cup?
Do you know how I can get in touch with Galston as she seems to have a lot of information but hasn't beeen online for a while?
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You have the best chance since you blew it in South Africa!
Galston only appears to have been on the site for a week; not sure where they have gone. Good luck anyway.
stuartroxy
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At least your children would have enjoyed the game!
;)
stuartroxy
Hi stuartroxy Ihave had trouble finding my way back to the Galston part I should do more bookmarking! Go to http://johnsaywell.tribalpages.com and see if you can see where your family fit in.
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Hi Gransfamily
I had a look on the link you posted and I noticed there was a John Roxburg m Jean Smith. I have the same couple in my tree.
I have their children as
Elizabeth 1793
Jean 1795
John 1797
Andrew 1799
Margaret 1802
James 1804
George1806
William 1809
Any use?
AH
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Great yes they fit in and I have put them in. Where does it fit with your tree? Can I put some more of your tree in if it fits? Thanks heaps.
If you are in the UK cheer for my team the Crusaders at Twickenham on Sunday.
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There is a Robert Roxburgh (place & date unknown) married a Mary McWalter 1875 at Galston, he was a coal miner, 2 children Janet 1875 & Catherine 1878 both born Galston.
Janet went on to marry a Alexander D. Paul in Glasgow.
Any connection?
Robert Roxburgh b. 1850 Galston, parents Mathew Roxburgh b.1820 Galston and Janet Law b.Kirkoswald. Married 1849 Galston. Other children John 1846 & Mathew 1847.
Mathew was HLW 41-71 & 75 Grocer.
It appears Matthew and John were from Matthew b 1820 to Sophia Jackson d 1848. It seems possible that Robert who married Mary McWalter was Robert b 1850.
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Hi Gransfamily,
I'll list what info I have and you can see if its relevant? (I'm afraid I cant give out any details of people who are still living...sorry :()
I have John son of John and Jean Smith born 1797 died 1858 m Agnes Gebbie of Riccarton(?) in 1825
Agnes Gebbie b 5/09/1802 daughter of John Gebbie and Rachel Brown in Loudon
Their children were
John b1826 d 1897 and was an "inspector of the poor"?????
Grizal b 1828
Jean b 1830
Elisabeth b 1832
James b 1836
James b 1836 m Joan Donaldson in 1862
Joan was the daughter of John Donaldson (calico printer) and Mary Campbell
James (b1836) was a shopkeeper (Grocer)
James and Joan had the following children
Mary Campbell Roxburgh b1864 in Dalry Ayr
John b 1866 in Old Monkland Lanark
Agnes Gebbie Roxburgh b 1867 in Old Monkland Lanark
James b1868 in Old Monkland Lanark
Joanna Donaldson Roxburgh b 1872 in Old Monkland Lanark
Jeanie Burns Roxburgh b1874 in New Kilpatrick Dunbarton
Jeanie Burns Roxburgh married Gilbert Hume Paton in 1899 at St Rollox lanark
James Roxburgh b 1868 d1939 married 1) Annie Kenyon Douglas in 1893. They had 1 child James Donaldson Roxburgh b 1895 d 1898. Annie d 1895.
James remarried Jessie Mathilde Lindsay in 1903 (she was b 1869 d 1951)
Their children were
Donald Stuart b 1903 d 1903
Jeanie b 1904
Allan b 1905
John b 1906
Malcolm b 1907 - 1932 Killed in car accident
Joan b 1909 -1965
Gavin b 1910-1986
Colin b 1914 d 198?
This is the line I am descended from.
A little other info I have is
John Roxburgh b 17.1.1827 d 20.3.1880 Inspector of Poor
married Mary Young and their children were
Hugh G. Roxburgh
Agnes G. Roxburgh b 14/12/1879 d 25/12/1925
Catherine Y Roxburgh
Hope that helps
AH
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Oh and one other thing
James Roxburgh b 1868 d 1939 was a Policeman in Manchester. Family legend has it thst he had to dive into the River Irwell to save a woman who was drowning. As the Irwell was virtually an open sewer/industrial waste drain at this point he was subsequently invalided out of the police and moved to North Wales with his family where he was a ? estate warden ? at the forest near Betws-y-coed. I've never checked any of that out but always thought it was a really great story!
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I am researching my Roxburgh family history in Scotland and have got back to James Roxburgh born on 29/3/1839 in Kilmaurs Ayrshire. He was a quarrymaster and died in Edinburgh on 29/1/1929. He was married to Janet Barr Wilson.
I realise Roxburgh is a very common name but wonder if there is any connection.
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I've no connection to Roxburgh but I have looked at a few Roxburgh families in the Galston area. There is a marriage reg. in scotlandspeople for James R & Janet Barr Wilson and it gives the father as Andrew R & mother Janet Steel. According to the 1851 FREECEN census for Kilmarnock, Andrew was born in Craigie & Janet in Kilmaurs. Andrew's parents appear to be John R & Agnes Arnile(?) M: 1810 Craigie. According to 1841 FREECEN there is a John R (age 75) Town Officer in Kilmaurs, amongst other names there is a 55 year old Agnes which could be his daughter. If you haven't got this info already then that takes you back a couple more generations.
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Hi Agnes14
Thank you very much for the information which, as you say, takes me back a further two generations.
I shall press ahead via Scotland's People and census records as well as checking through the other Roots Chat posts in detail to see if there are any links. Best wishes, Greenbank
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Dear AH
I link to Gilbert Hume Paton and would be interested to know if you have cousins descending from that line interested in geneology and making contact with Paton cousins (offboard I mean! - I share your views on living dscendents)?
Moira
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My great grandmother was from Galston, Ayr, Scotland. Her name was Mary Roxburgh, daughter of Andrew and Mary Hindlay (Henley) Roxburgh. He was born in 1833 in Galston. They married in Stewarton in 1856. Andrew's parents were John Roxburgh and Agnes Sharp. I cannot find much on Mary Hindlay, other than she was born around 1835 in Kilmarnock.
Mary Roxburgh came to the US in the late 1880s, married a John Clyde, and had two sons: William and Eschol. Both John and Mary died at an early age, leaving the two young sons to be raised by her sister.
From what I can find, her father, Andrew came to the US in 1900.
Any suggestions as to finding out more about this side of my family? Does anyone else out there have this connection?
We are visiting Scotland at the end of the month and want to do some research.
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As mentioned before I have some information on Roxburgh, tracing back to John Roxburgh and Jean Dunning, Ancestors of Mary R & John Clyde. I have no connection with the family but I have an interest in Loudoun and Galston Parishes and in particular Loudoun kirkyard. I would be happy to pass on any information I have, if you are interested.
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Galston parish records between January 1818 and April 1820 are missing - or at least they were a few years ago - from the LDS records. However I have a copy of the missing entries. There were 150 births missed out when the micro films were made.
This may be a person of interest to you
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My great grandmother was from Galston, Ayr, Scotland. Her name was Mary Roxburgh, daughter of Andrew and Mary Hindlay (Henley) Roxburgh. He was born in 1833 in Galston. They married in Stewarton in 1856. Andrew's parents were John Roxburgh and Agnes Sharp. I cannot find much on Mary Hindlay, other than she was born around 1835 in Kilmarnock.
Mary Roxburgh came to the US in the late 1880s, married a John Clyde, and had two sons: William and Eschol. Both John and Mary died at an early age, leaving the two young sons to be raised by her sister.
From what I can find, her father, Andrew came to the US in 1900.
Any suggestions as to finding out more about this side of my family? Does anyone else out there have this connection?
We are visiting Scotland at the end of the month and want to do some research.
If you need local advice on Ayrshire for your visit give me a shout.