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I'm still trying to find more about James Hazeltine b Ockley he says on census, abt 1803, two of his daughters seem to have married Coveys of Alfold, Ellen to John in 1903 and Harriet Ann (sometimes Amelia) to William Fellows Covey in 1894, the latter appear in the 1901 census living at Little Bookers Lea, Alfold and there were Coveys we visited at Bookers Lea well after the war. Are there any descendants out there who have any information on my problem man James?
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Hi,
Have you got your dates right? You say James Hazeltine was born 1803 & his daughters married in 1894 & 1903, a hundred year span between the two events doesn't seem right ???
I have Alfold registers on fiche up to about 1840 so if you could explain exactly what the problem is with James I'll be glad to try & help out in any way,
jane
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Yep!! He married a 20 yr old when he was 57 and his last offspring was born 1880 and he himself died 1880 age 77 by his death certificate. The only place I have him is Ockley, mostly at Wallice (Farm), spelling varies of course. On his marriage cert his father is given as John. The earliest record I have is at Evershed Farm Ockley on 1861 census with his wife Mary and daughter Mary. No sign on the 1851 Surrey census index nor on looking through the 41 and 51 censuses for many of the local places and that is making plenty of allowance for vagaries of spelling. I have contact with one of his descendants but she hasn't been able to find his birth either.
So, I am grasping at straws and had hoped that there might be a Covey around with some family history going back that far to help track him down.
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I've looked in vain for him in 1851, he just doesn't want to be found :(
One of our Surrey page members has the Ockley pr's, so why don't you make a specific request for his baptism, use the subject line, OCKLEY Parish Registers & Dawn should see it. That way you'll be able to confirm or verify his origins.
jane
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The censuses give two other Hazeltines born Ockley - Henry a blacksmith in Epsom born circa 1797 (1841 and 1851 censuses) and Edward an agricultural labourer born Ockley circa 1804/5 (1861 Wootton, 1871 Dorking).
I can't find Henry's marriage but his children were all baptised as Haseltines in Epsom from the 1820s onwards. Edward too was married before civil registration (according to the age of his children).
It doesn't of course signify they were necessarily brothers of James, or indeed themselves brothers.
Neither of these men appear to have a baptism in the surname Hazeltine in the Ockley register (coverage on the IGI 1538-1876).
However if they were related is there a possibility they all appear in another surname in the Ockley registers?
I was wondering about the possibility of the surname Miles, though the evidence of James' father's name from his marriage definitely does not fit that thought (James was a bachelor on his marriage and not a widower wasn't he?).
There is some possibility that Edward might appear in earlier records using the surname Miles.
The evidence of the Ockley registers for Miles children does not support the usual reason for a change of surname from Miles - which would be illegitimacy. The Miles children were all baptised legitimately and their father's name was not John. Their father's name was Zechariah or Zachariah. His baptism does appear in the Ockley registers and it does support the ususal reason for a conflict of surnames - illegitimacy.
ZECHARIAH MILES HAZELDEN
Christening: 24 SEP 1758 Ockley, Surrey
Mother: SARAH HAZELDEN
Zachariah and his wife were both buried in Ockley in 1838.
As I said Edward their son - baptised Miles shows some possibility in earlier records of using the surname Miles and Hazeltine (I can go through this if you think there is some mileage in the possibility of the Miles/Hazeltine hypothesis).
As well as Edward, Zachariah also had a son called James and a son called Harry of the right ages to fit all three men from the evidence of the censuses.
JAMES MILES
Christening: 09 JAN 1803 Ockley, Surrey
HARRY MILES
Christening: 29 MAY 1796 Ockley, Surrey
EDWARD MILES
Christening: 13 OCT 1805 Ockley, Surrey
as well as
CATHARINE MILES
Christening: 18 SEP 1791 Ockley, Surrey
WILLIAM MILES
Christening: 06 JUL 1794 Ockley, Surrey
SARAH MILES
Christening: 01 FEB 1801 Ockley, Surrey
A James Miles is in Ockley on the 1841 census (but missing in 1851 and thereafter, if he is your man - a spell in the army perhaps, often a reason for men marrying later in life and then like his 'possible two brothers' continuing on in life in the surname Hazeltine?)
See what you think? Are you interested in the further information on Edward and his possible use of both surnames?
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for your suggestion Jane, will do that and see what happens, I did some time back have the PR's from our local LDS centre but at that time thought that he had been born much later.
Valda, thanks for all your trouble, an interesting thought, I had considered illegitimacy likely and becoming a Hazeltine later on his mother's marriage but the only possibility wasn't so obliging as to marry a Hazeltine later. I have printed out your reply and will go through it later so may come back to you when I have digested it at my- leisure?
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As an example of father's names not always being correct on marriages I have one man who married three times. On his first two marriage certificates he put his father's name as Henry. On the last he put Richard Hurst plus the surname. His father was definitely baptised as Richard Hurst....... so why Henry on the marriages? From two censuses but not all of them, plus other records, it became apparent that Richard Hurst (the second son so named, the first having died young) was known in his everyday life as Henry.
Whether James Hazeltine was the son of Zachariah Miles or not, Edward Miles/ Hazeltine born Ockley did definitely use both surnames. He seems to have started with Hazleton/Hazelton, then reverted to Miles and then returned finally to Hazeltine (though I'm not sure his death was registered as such, but his wife's was). Edward married in Ockley in 1825 as Edward Hazleton (but by 1829 had reverted to the surname Miles). It might be worth checking who were the witnesses to Edward's marriage as his elder brother James seems still to have been in Ockley in 1841.
If you are requesting a look up re baptisms in Ockley it might be worth also requesting this lookup, if the same person has access to the Ockley marriage registers as well.
1841 census HO107 1081/2 folio 8 page 10
Ockley Street Ockley Surrey
Jas Miles 35 Surrey Ag lab
Regards
Valda
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See further posts at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,190129.0.html
Regards
Valda
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Hi all... painterlady in particular.
I've got Alfold Coveys. LOTS of them!
And I've got William Fellows Covey marrying Harriett Amelia HAZELTINE.
Can't see John marrying Ellen though.
What info do you need about the Coveys?
Karen
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Tekabe. Sent you a message offline, hope you got it OK, it's the Hazeltine link I am chasing
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to Tekaybe, in case you are on again, I have just checked back on free BMD and I
had copied it down wrongly, it was George Covey who married Ellen Hazeltine in the March quarter of 1903, not John, get in such a tangle with the names sometimes.
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Hey, yeah I have Ellen marrying George too.. I hadn't spotted that you'd put it wrongly!!! Shows how much attention I pay!!!!!
Karen