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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Oxfordshire => England => Oxfordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Huron on Friday 13 October 06 16:27 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find the marriage between John Hawkins and Mary Dewe. She was born in Islip abt 1656 and they both died in Great Milton (John in 1702, Mary in 1729), so I assume the marriage was probably in one of those two places. In particular I'm hoping to find out where John was from, his age, and/or ideally who his father was. There's been all sorts of conflicting Internet speculation about whether the John who married Mary Dewe was descended from THE Sir John Hawkins. This info could really help sort that out.
Best
Alex
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Hi Alex ...
I'm sorry to say that the OFHS's Oxfordshire Marriage Index (1538-1837) has come up with a complete blank on this one.
There is no record of a marriage between the two individuals, and no marriages for either individual with an Islip/Great Milton connection in the right time-frame.
I did, however, find this one (which you may already have):
25 JUN 1657 - William WRIGHT to Mary DEWE at Islip
Using a bit of lateral thinking, I wondered if Mary (born c1656) could have been illegitimate, and this was her mother marrying. I then checked for any instance of a John HAWKINS marrying a Mary WRIGHT (supposing that Mary may have taken this surname) but again nothing.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Pennie
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Information found on Family search web site.
John Hawkins birth 21/9/1643 Essex married Mary Dewes born abt 1645 Islip.
They married at Oxford abt 1665.
One child listed Philemon Hawkins male born abt 1690 Slapton Devon he died 1725.
Not sure if this is any help.
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Thanks for the responses.
Regarding the IGI that's a submitted entry, and part of the mass of conflicting info on the web as many Hawkins families want to connect to Sir John and have a tendency to find connections that aren't there. That's why I'm hoping to find the actual source records.
A shame about not finding the marriage records. What we know from having the wills for John Hawkins of Gt Milton and his wife (Maria in the will) are that a John Hawkins and a Mary were married, died in Gt Milton and had lands in Islip (we've traced all their children, none named Philemon). Sources like Burke's landed gentry and the Dictionary of National Biography refer to the marriage between John Hawkins and Mary Dewe, daughter of Edward Dewe of Islip, listing the same children.
But I've seen no direct sources for that marriage, which is what I'm looking for. Even a burial record for John giving his age at death would be a help. I keep running into dead ends here. Anyone have any ideas on how to move forward? Is there a John Hawkins marrying any Mary or Maria in that general area? They were buried in a church in Oxford, so the marriage could have been there.
Alex
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Actually, after a bit of googling based on the William Wright marriage info, I found a reference to an Oxford Mayor, William Wright who married the widow Mary Dewe (apparently nee banks). They had a daughter Catherine who married the Henry White who I've seen mentioned in John Hawkins of Gt Milton's will as a Brother (the term often used for brother in law). Presumably Catherine and our Mary Dewe were half sisters.
So that marriage was a very useful one to see. Helps tie things together. I don't suppose you could check if an Edward Dewe married a Mary Banks? Still leaves question of when and where this John Hawkins was born or where he married, but it's a start.
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Yes here is the information.
Edward Dewe from Islip married Mary Bankes also from Islip
On the first of January 1645 at Oxford St Peter E.
Hope this helps you.
Regards
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Thank you so much for that. That now pretty much confirms that our John Hawkins married Mary Dewe as it now fits all the info we have. Now it's just a question of finding out where they got married! That and who our John Hawkins was. As I said, even a burial entry for him in Great Milton might help. It's so nice to confirm that other aspect though.
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Several John Hawkins marrying Mary's
John Hawkins married Mary Arthur 16/1/1672 Oxford St Peter
John Hawkins married Mary Matthewes 23/6/1670 Oxford St Thomas.
any idea of a date I will then check again for you.
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Unfortunately I don't have any dates. Their oldest son (or at least oldest who survived childhood), William Hawkins Sgt at Law was born about 1673 so that provides a clue and both those marriages would fit.
From the other information you sent, it does seem clear that John Hawkins did marry Mary Dewe or perhaps Mary Wright if she took her stepfather's name. Unless, of course, Mary Dewe married someone else first and was widowed like her mother was. If there's a record of a Mary Dewe marrying a Mathewes or Arthur prior to that we could have a result!
Alex
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Mary Dewe Wid married William Wright wid at Islip 25/6/1657.
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Sorry, no record on the OMI of a Mary DEWE (or variants) marrying a MA(T)THEW(E)S or ARTHUR before 1670.
Pennie
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Again, many thanks for the lookups.
So, barring transcription errors or crazy spellings, it looks like John Hawkins didn't marry a Mary Dewe in Oxfordshire at that time. So the only remaining Oxford possibilities are if she was a widow, and we haven't found the right combination of a Mary Dewe marrying a man with the same last name as someone John Hawkins later married. Needles in haystacks time! Or perhaps he wasn't from Oxfordshire and they got married in his home parish.
Does anyone know if there's a burial index for Oxfordshire that might have more information about John Hawkins who died abt 1702 in Great Milton? Knowing his age would be a step to taking him back one more generation to see if he could have been a direct descendant of Sir John.
Best
Alex
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Checked OMI again noticed this one if the dates fit Mary's surname could have been transcribed wrong.
12/10/1659 John Hawkins married Mary Hawkes at Thame.
Regards
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There is a partial burial index for Oxfordshire, at the Family History Online website (pay-per-view). Go to www.familyhistoryonline.net > Available Databases > Oxfordshire, to see which parishes are covered.
Pennie
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Hello Alex,
Are you still working on this?
I 'picked' this thread up as I'm working on the Dewe/Banks part.
Lesanne. :D
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Hello: John Hawkins did marry Mary Dew. The following is the info you need taken from records at Oxford: Hawkins, John, of the Inner Temple, London, Esq. married Mary Dew of Oxford on 18 February, 1679/80 at St. Michael, St. Mary Magdalen or St. Giles, Oxford. I believe the church records were combined and that is the reason the records give three different churches. However, since a christening took place at St. Mary's in Oxford, I believe the church where the marriage took place to be St. Mary Magdalen.
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I have a copy of the marriage licence for John Hawkins marrying Mary Dewe in Oxford
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Which child was christened in St Marys and when
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Hello watts,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Afraid we'll have to wait for Bookwrm123 to come back with that baptism.
Are you working on the Dewe family?
regards, Lesanne
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Hi Lesanne,
I've not looked at the boards for ages, so sorry I didn't see your post before now.
Yes, still been digging away at the Hawkins family. Managed to find the will of the uncle of the John Hawkins who married Mary Dewe and from that learned that John's father was also named John. His uncle's name was William Hawkins, of Mortlake, who died in 1677 apparently aged 53. I've found records of a John b.1621, William b.1624, Mary b.1622, Margaret b.1623 and Thomas b.1625 born to William Hawkins at Saint Margaret, Westminster, London, which could be them. The William who died in 1677 was buried at Mortlake, and his memorial stone has the coat of arms based on the one that was granted to Sir John Hawkins, though without the additional crest that would only have been allowed to be used by direct descendents of Sir John, rather than his family. This would suggest his father might have been the William Hawkins, son of Sir John’s brother William, as the coat of arms would match, as well as the dates. But that remains just a theory until I can figure out a way to prove who the William Hawkins who had children in Westminster in the 1620s was. Unfortunately there are several Hawkins families in that area at the time so difficult to pin the right one down.
Would be interested to learn more about the Mary Dewe/Banks line.
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Hello,
I too have been investigating the Hawkins family for very many years and have a fair bit of information on them. There are many conflicting names and dates being bandied about on line and it's quite a task trying to sort the wheat from the chaff!
Did your John (of Oxford) have parents John (b 1604) and Hestor Richards?
Kind regards
Jill
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Alex,
I do not know what you have since discovered, but I checked the burials of GM for you and there are no Hawkins burials after 1700. However there are some before and there are two children buried in the 1690s listed as 'of John HAWKINS (esq)', let me know if you want the details.
Shannon