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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: justme on Friday 13 October 06 10:08 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
I am searching for any info regarding my gggrandmother, MARY GUNNY who arrived in NSW Australia as a 17yearold, aboard the Red Rover in 1832. The ship sailed from Cork and passengers were 144 free Irish girls, mostly from a Foundling Hospital/House of Industry in Cork. I can't find a marriage cert for Mary, only a death cert which says that she died as Mary Lynch, parents not known and was born in Dublin but I am beginning to wonder if she was born in Dublin. On her children's certs the spelling of Gunny varies......Gunning, Guiney, Guinea, Gunny.
Is there anywhere I can find where she came from....passenger list doesn't say. Maybe there are surviving lists of people who were in foundling hospitals, orphanages, houses of industry.
Would be very grateful of any help Del
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Hi justme
I know you have looked at the Passenger list, but have you checked the Bounty immigrants lists.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_assisted_(bounty)_immigrants_7130.asp
According to the state records each Entitlement certificate had a certificate of baptism and a character reference.
Regards
Genni
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Hi Genni,
No, I haven't looked at the Bounty immigrants lists. Seems to be lots of info there so I'll pop down to Sydney to visit the Archives shortly. It will certainly help knowing what I am looking for. Many thanks for your help.
Regards,
Del
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Two books have been published about single Irish girls who were sent to OZ from orphanages. For the life of me I cannot remember the title or the author. Most libraries and family history societies would have a copy. In the meantime I shall Google librariies/ catalogues. Gazania
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The books are "Barefoot and Pregnant?" by Trevor McClaughlan. The author invites descendants to contact him at
Dr Trevor McClaughlin , c/- Dept Modern History, Macquarie University, NSW 2109 or The Editor, The Genealogical Society of Victoria, Level 6, 179 Queen St, Melbourne 3000.
Best wishes Gazania
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Hi Del
I will have a chance to check the Bounty Immigrant Index tomorrow saving you that trip to Sydney if you like.
Cazay
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Hi Cazay,
Thankyou so much for the offer. I would really appreciate you checking the index as I live in the country and its a bit of a hike for me to get to the Archives. I'm very grateful.
Many thanks from Del.
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Hello Gazania,
I visited our local historical society today and found a book by Elizabeth Rushen about female immigration, and so, with "Barefoot and Pregnant" should be able to get some good info and some background as to the girls plights. Many, many thanks for your help.........Del
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Hi Del
Checked the Bounty Immigrant Index CD and unfortunately not much information. Mary's surname was under Gurny, Red Rover 1832, Houseworker, reel no. 1286.
A shame really because other immigrants have quite a bit of information. I hope you find something when you get a chance to check the film.
Cazay
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Thankyou Cazay for that info and all your trouble. Poor Mary is proving to be quite elusive but I will keep "digging". Again, a big thanks
Del.
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Dear Del,
Have been working on a cd rom version of my shamrock to wattle (slowly) and can tell you there is a partial list of the Red Rover women in state Records of NSW Microfilm reel 2795, if that helps.
best of luck with it
trevor mcclaughlin
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Hello Trevor,
What a great surprise to hear from you.....the author himself. Thankyou for the info. I'm hoping to travel to Sydney in December to go searching. My "research time" is being taken up at the moment.....very frustrating!!
I'm wishing you much speed and good luck with your CD.
Del
ps enjoyed "Irish Women in Colonial Australia". A great resource.
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Dear Del,
another snippet
"1832. Red Rover emigrants
Some of the female emigrants by the Red Rover sent to
Hunter Valley region, New South Wales.
LA Sept 11 1832"
from Jenny Fawcett. La =Legislative Assembly??
There may be something on the Cork and Dublin foundling hospitals in Joseph Robins' Lost Children, Dublin, 1980.
It's also probably worth looking at Peter Higginbotham's great website www.workhouses.org.uk
best wishes
trevor
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Del,
please excuse this bitty information. Here's a par I have in my revised Shamrock to Wattle,
>>A testimonial was issued to each of the young women of the Red Rover from the Cork House of Industry: “This testimonial is given to you---in order to certify that your Emigration is Voluntary, and that you are assisted in removing to a more distant settlement for your own advantage, and not in consequence of any offence or misconduct. It is hoped that you will prosper---that you will always feel the value of good character, and learn to respect yourself---that you will cultivate and cherish every honest principle and good sentiment---that you will so perform the duties of your station, as to bring upon yourself the favour of those with whom you may have to live and the never-failing mercy and protection of Almighty God”. But as A. J. Hammerton says this is no guarantee that pressure was not exerted on those who were reluctant to emigrate (p.543). <<
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OOps Del,
I revised chapt 5 a while back. Here's another snippet from the revised chapt.
>>As I’ve written elsewhere, ‘Cargos of juvenile prostitutes’ were how they were remembered in the decades following their arrival. Red Rovers became a term of abuse applied indiscriminately to prostitutes’, even though the young women who came in August, 1832 were impeccably well-behaved, and welcomed with open arms on arrival. <<
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Hello Trevor,
Thankyou so much for the extra info. Will definitely look out for "Lost Children". The workhouse site is great.....can't believe how bad life was for those poor orphans. We are certainly descended from tough, resilient people. Thankyou again for your help
Del.
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Hi Del
I've returned to John's genealogy, and am just checking Mary Gunny's other children. Am I right in thinking that Catherine Lynch married Michael Bulger, had a lot of children, and died in 1916?
Cheers Annette
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Hi Annette,
Catherine (Lynch)BULGER died in 1916 and, yes, had lots of children. I found her funeral notice in the Sydney Morning Herald....nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15636122 .Lots of family named in there.
Am also pretty excited to have found the death notice of her brother Dennis LYNCH who died in 1895. The notice says:- "beloved brother of Mrs M BULGER, of Erskine-street: Mrs MJ TAYLOR, of John-street, Pyrmont; Mrs C COX, of Kangaroo Valley; and Mr J LYNCH, of Young".
I also found Catherine's death notice but can't lay my hands on ot at the moment. Great that you are able to return to John's research :).
Del
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Hi Del
Thanks for confirmation and other information! I actually found the funeral notices very late last night, and was too tired to correct them then, but about to do so. I have now put John's family onto Ancestry, should you get a chance to look at it there. Put in Septimus Cox Whitehall and my "name" is fuzzyar. Would be interested in going to a Cox get together although not family!
All the best from Annette :)
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Hi Annette,
Would love for you to come to our next get-together. We haven't made any plans for another reunion yet but I think we'll be sure to have one sometime in the future. If there are any more questions re the Cox/Lynch Family, I might be able to help. We have quite a bit of info.
I'll look up Ancestry and see if I can spot John's family line. Great work to enter it on there.
Merry Christmas from Del :)
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Hi Del
Got all the funeral notices for Catherine corrected on Trove today, so it should be easier now for other researchers to find them! Also copied them to Ancestry as a "story". I'd better finish the Xmas cards, then it's back to my attempt to finish the Cox Lynch section before the end of the year. I could well use a few more pointers, but will let you know. And not that we ever really finish, but I need to get back to my own!
All the best for Xmas and the New Year, and I'll look forward to meeting you one day.
Cheers
Annette 8)