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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: clogdancer on Wednesday 11 October 06 23:09 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for info on Anthony Maughan, my Gr Gr Grandfather.
Born about 1835, I think in Mayo or Sligo, but not sure.
He was a farmer with several sons, including my Gr Grandfather Charles born 1862 who emigrated to Derbyshire England.
Any help would be appreciated
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Hi clogdancer,
http://www.failteromhat.com/
doesn't have an Anthony in Griffiths Valuation list (around 1850s).
If any of Charles' brothers were born after 1866 and you have their names and birth years- you might be able to get a birth certificate through Irish registration
best wishes
heywood
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Hiya clogdancer,
The Mayo Valuation took place in 1956-7. I would not worry too much about Anthony not appearing in the Valuation. You think he was born about 1836 so his parents may have been born about 1810. They were probably still living when the Valuation took place so the farm would have been in either the name of Anthony's father if he was still living or his mother. There were not too many Maughan's in Mayo so it might be a good idea to see if you can find some information about them and come forward from that time to see if Anthony fits into the picture. You have a couple of possible counties but you need a townland as well.
These are the Mayo Maughans ....
Catherine Maughan, Castletown, Lackan.
James Maughan, Cloonalaghan, Lackan.
Patrick Maughan, Barnhill, Lower Lackan
Patrick Maughan, Barnhill, Upper Lackan
Mary Maughan, Ball- Alley- Lane, Kilmoremoy
Thomas Maughan, Doonadoba, Kilcummin
Micheal Maughan, Beldergmore, Doonfeeny
John Maughan, Rathoonagh, Kilbride
Peter Maughan, Doonadoba, Kilcummin
...... ? Maughan, Sraheen, Ballynahaglish
Best of Luck with your search
Chris
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I have found from a relative that Charles Maughan came from Ballina, Co. Mayo.
He also had a sister in America, but name unknown.
I see there is a Mary Maughan in Griffiths at Ball-Alley Lane which is in Ballina.
Can anyone suggest where I look now?
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Hello clogdancer,
If you know the denomination of your Maughan family it should assist you in tracing Church records. You'll have to rely on these when researching some details of your ancestors since they were born prior to the introduction of Civil Registration was introduced in Ireland in 1864.
Christopher
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Hello Clogdancer, www.leitrim-roscommon.com 1901 census lists Maughans in Ballina. Click on 1901 census enter County Mayo and Surname Maughan and you will get a list. There are also Maughans listed for Sligo. My family were farmers in Kilglass Sligo and moved down into Ballina to seek work I suspect many did the same.
1911 census for Ballina lists Hartes's Lane No 1 MAUGHAN - Catherine, Mary McGuinness, William Brennan (no mention of John) No mention of Patrick Maughan in King Street in 1911 census.
Christopher's suggestion of the church records is probably your next step back. If the family is Roman Catholic St Muredachs Cathedral is in Ballina and I obtained Baptism records from there in person they have an office set up for obtaining records (I had popped over on a Ryanair cheapy) they were very helpful. Their telephone number is 096-70555, address Parish Office. The Pastoral Centre, Ballina, Co Mayo. Kilmoremoy parish which covers Ballina has Baptism records from 1823.
Regards Marian
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I've made a little progress by getting DNA tested on Ancestry.
I found several of my best DNA matches in Mayo having the surname Loftus, in particular Martin Loftus apparently born in 1825 in Ballina (according to my matches' trees) , father Owen Loftus.
I also found LDS records for Anthony Maughan & Honor (Honoria?) Loftus as parents for Margaret (b 1866 in Ballina) and Thomas in 1868.
Can anybody help me link these records?
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Looking at the image of the birth cert will show exactly where they lived
Margaret 1866
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03515/2292545.pdf
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
The next step was to find which parish the Townland was in but I'm having trouble with that bit :-\
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Ah think it's a town not a townland
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Thank you Sinnan!
You mean you think Cloona is a town not a townland?
No matter, it establishes a link between Maughan and Loftus, but I still dont know if this is my ancestor.
I need to trace Honor Loftus' ancestor to Martin or Owen Loftus to prove my DNA link.
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The LDS record says the birth was "Ballina district"
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Scratch that, don't see a town or village in the area of that name or a townland so I think so it's either somewhere not showing on the usually lists or a variation of the spelling. So far ever possible I've looked at doesn't have parish registers to match those two years.
I was hoping to find those children's baptisms and than you could check out the earlier register but sadly the west coast has a lot of missing registers.
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The LDS record says the birth was "Ballina district"
Yes Ballina registration district. It's written at the top of the page of the image of the birth.
Covers quite a large area
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php#
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LDS shows Anthony and Honor having a son Thomas in 1868
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LDS shows Anthony and Honor having a son Thomas in 1868
Thomas born 24th May 1868.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03436/2261301.pdf
KG
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Thank you Kiltaglassan
Theres also an LDS record for birth of Honor Loftus to Martin Loftus & Anne Oliver in 1843
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Thank you Kiltaglassan
Theres also an LDS record for birth of Honor Loftus to Martin Loftus & Anne Oliver in 1843
That would be a baptism as civil registration didn't begin until 1864. Does the record include name of parish?
Loftus is a Mayo surname so you'll find plenty.
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The LDS record says 28 Oct 1843, Swinford Parish, Mayo
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Swinford https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0133
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Found the baptism record, thank you.
On page 11, it says at the top of the LH page:
28 Honor G? G? Martin Loftus & Anne
Oliver S S Charley Oliver & Elenor do.
Am I right in assuming the SS means the start of the next record?
And G G means girl? But why twice?
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this page ?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632334#page/11/mode/1up
handier if one posts a Link to something they are referring to!
Found the baptism record, thank you.
On page 11, it says at the top of the LH page:
28 Honor G? G? Martin Loftus & Anne
Oliver S S Charley Oliver & Elenor do.
Am I right in assuming the SS means the start of the next record?
And G G means girl? But why twice?
No!
Sponsors!
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Ah, SS means sponsors, so that would be Charley Oliver & Elenor Oliver?
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Found the baptism record, thank you.
28 Honor G? G? Martin Loftus & Anne
Oliver S S Charley Oliver & Elenor do.
And G G means girl? But why twice?
I think the letters are B, B, for born and baptised. Glancing at other entries on those pages, I saw that the same letters were written for a lot of other baptisms. I assume it means that Honor was baptised on the same day she was born. One of my families belonged to that parish but the only baptism I've found is in the next volume which begins in 1850s and the style was different. There are missing years and unreadable pages, hence I could find only 1 of 5 of mine who should be there.
What makes you think there may be a connection between this family and the one in Ballina, or are you casting a wide net? Is it the names Martin and Charles?
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Thank you Maiden Stone, that makes sense.
The reason I think there may will be a link is that I had an Ancestry DNA done, and its showing a 4th/6th cousin match to 3 different people with Martin Loftus as their ancestor.
I think that my Great Grandfather's parents must be Anthony and Honor because oi this.
He was born in 1861. Previous searches for his birth record have not been successful.
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My Gr Grandfather = Charles
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From the DNA matches, I'm pretty sure that my G Grandfather Charles was born to Anthony Maughan and Honor Loftus in 1861-62, probably in Cloona (Kilfean parish) like his supposed siblings.
I've tried searching the civil records, and the parish records for Cooneal and Kilmoremoy without luck, whilst the favourite, Kilfian only has parish records up to 1836.
Assuming then, that there is no hard evidence for this, how can I put a % likelihood on it from my DNA matches?
I've got four known 4th cousin matches to people descended though different lines from Anthony & Honor
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Civil Reg of Births only started 1864
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Did you search Swinford Registers?
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I did, yes. No luck there either
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From the DNA matches, I'm pretty sure that my G Grandfather Charles was born to Anthony Maughan and Honor Loftus in 1861-62, probably in Cloona (Kilfean parish) like his supposed siblings.
Assuming then, that there is no hard evidence for this, how can I put a % likelihood on it from my DNA matches?
I've got four known 4th cousin matches to people descended though different lines from Anthony & Honor
The DNA aspect is another question entirely. You would need to ask opinions of people who understand and can explain it. You would be better to start a new topic.
I've been looking into Loftus in Kilmoremoy on my own account this week, in search of an elusive baptism; it was the right year and the parents first names matched, but my person of interest married there 40 years later when I know he was somewhere else so I've eliminated him.
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Loftus Web www.loftusweb.com
Miscellany includes a forum.
One of my Loftus great-aunts is among IGI extracts on the website.
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Thanks, that could be useful
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Forgot to say that Loftus Web has a post from a descendant of a Loftus from Swinford . I don't know how active the site is, I hadn't looked at it for a while. When I first found it I turned up a few interesting bits by rummaging.