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Title: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DelBoy on Sunday 08 October 06 21:34 BST (UK)
My mysterious vanishing Cardon family........

Thomas Cardon married his wife Martha and at some point lived in (Pike) Illinois USA, they had a son John G/C Cardon  dob and pob unknown ( have seen transcribed both ways) and a daughter Elizabeth Kate (Kate) Cardon born 1861 circa Illinois, USA.

I have posted on other boards chasing up some research ideas that I had, with some results (unconfirmed) if anyones interested. See here-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,187221.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,187048.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,187216.0.html


The family immigrated to NZ on the Ship Matoaka, which departed London, ENG and arrived NZ 03/01/1865, as part of the Waikato immigration scheme. ( Elizabeth Kate's future husband and inlaws were also on board George Thomas Holmes they married NZ, 6 August 1879 at the Holy Trinity Church Waiuku) I have held to now in not buying Elizabeth Kate Cardon  and George Thomas Holmes marriage cert ( money is tight this time of year) but perhaps someone can check and see if theres a intent to marry notice please.

Both families settled around the Waiuku area. Thomas Cardon shows on the NZ 1881 Elec Roll as a carpenter living in Toro Point , Waiuku. & 1893 Elec roll he appears as an Engineer at Tuakau, Franklin district, his wife Martha was not on the 1893 roll.

Another son was born John Frederick Cardon (Frederick) who was a miner in Waihi, his burial record states he was born in Waiuku 1866 c. He died Waihi 1914, no known wife or children,( his probate details available above message)he also shows in the 1893 Elec Roll. His death Notice states the following ( so I know that there was definatley a first son- not born in NZ)

Herald, 2nd September 1914.

On August 26th, at Waihi Hospital, John Frederick Cardon, 2nd son of the late Thomas and Martha Cardon of Waiuku, in his 48th year.

I have been contacted by a person who believes his ancestor was a sister to Elizabeth Kate, but I have yet to proove this, so there may also be 2 other daughters Henrietta Edith Lenton Cardon & Elina/Elma Pauline Lenton Cardon. ( I have some details for these two) Henrietta married in Gisborne, NZ so if she is related, perhaps the family went there ? There is also a Henry Madison Cardon that keeps popping up in my searches, I am trying to find out if he is connected or not.

Now Thomas, Martha and son num1 seem to have vanished into thin air, there are no probates for them, and I cant locate any burials. I tried mailing the Franklin council for a cemetery search, nothing came up, even with a alternate spelling of  Carden. Where did they go and what happened to son num 1, surely he must have died young or left NZ at a young age, I have had no luck with passenger lists right across the board( apart from the ship Matoaka)

Elizabeth Kate Holmes nee Cardon lived her life and died and was buried in Waiuku. Her husband died 1896 she never remarried, Some time after this she purchased a home in Pacific Street, Waiuku. From Walter Smith in which she operated a  maternity home. ( George & Kate Holmes had 8 children, and this Holmes line is well documented)

If anyone can offer a fresh perspective or help me out, I would greatly appreciate your imput.

Cheers
Del
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Tuesday 19 August 08 07:40 BST (UK)
 ;)

Just bouncing back to this family line, if there are any new people on the board who may be able to help.

Del
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Tuesday 19 August 08 23:20 BST (UK)
Hi Del

Just working on exact spelling for the time being, here are a few bits and pieces that may be of some use.

John Frederick CARDON b 14 May 1866, Waiuku

Possible siblings…..
1879 Waiuku School Records showing Parent/Guardian as Thomas CARDON:
Annie, dob 26 Jul 1870
Henry, dob 9 Sep 1871
May
(it is POSSIBLE that there might have been another Thomas CARDON with children)

Waikumete Burials:
Henry Madinson CARDON, 74, 1945
Barry Henry Madinson CARDON, 72, 2005

There is also a Divorce record for Henry Madinson @ Archives Auck which should have a copy of the original marriage cert, which in turn will give you the parent’s names, to be able to rule him in or out....….

So father Thomas was dead by 2nd September 1914, but mother Martha presumably still alive….

The only CARDON marriages that show are:
Elina Pauline Lenton – 1923 - McCRYSTAL
Elizabeth Kate – 1879 - HOLMES
Henrietta Edith Lenton – 1915 - WRIGHT
Henry Madinson – 1928 - SHEAHAN
Marsden Reid – 1939 - COLLINGS
Mona Kennedy – 1918 - MacKINNON
Mona Kennedy – 1953 - LYON

(NB the 1st marriage for Henry Madinson must have been in another country BEFORE 1928 as the divorce papers are in the date range 1925-1926)


Bren


Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Tuesday 19 August 08 23:35 BST (UK)
Hi Del

Quite a few random hits for CARDON 1865-1920 which might help to build up a picture of who was around at that time....

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast


Bren

Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Tuesday 19 August 08 23:51 BST (UK)
It would be worth you doing a lookup in 1896 Electoral roll to see if Martha is still alive and on that one..apparently a lot of women missed out on the the first roll in 1893. JUst to try and find out when they stopped appearing on the rolls.


I was loking at your past postings to see the probate for the son that died in Waihi, but couldn't find right thread, did the parents get mentioed, ?still alive, who purchased his grave site? Just to try and narrow down timeframe of whe they died..

BYe
Althea
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 20 August 08 02:45 BST (UK)
Births rego,

1866    John Fred CARDON               Drury         [139]
1869    Annie Jane CARDON              Auckland    [191]
1871    Henry CARDEN                     Drury         [268]
1873    Bertha May CARDON            Awhitu       [1462]

Deaths

 Martha CARDON              1879           Awhitu   [49]


Electoral roll:

 Thomas is on 1900 roll for Franklin,   but not,  1902, 1905, 1908

***
 Checked deaths from 1870-1914, no sign of Thomas or any other Cardon or Carden
 apart from Martha and Frederick .

****
 When Martha died the kids were quite young 6-13, must have been tough or maybe John looked after them.

Searched Awhitu and Waiuku cemeteries, no sign, did a fairly intense search of all the names at Waiuku looking for possible mistakes, but no one popped out.
   
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 20 August 08 03:35 BST (UK)

 and now we have,

 Bertha May CARDEN  m William John PELLOW     1893

 Annie Jane CARDEN  m James SMITH       1910


Seems that maybe Carden is the original spelling or its swapped regularly.

Can ONLY find Thomas CARDENs on the freebmd for 1837-1840 births.

 I like the look of the PELLOW, gotta be an easy one to follow up.

 
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Wednesday 20 August 08 04:35 BST (UK)

and this could be the daughter of the above marriage OR the widow re-marrying….

1915 Folio Ref: 07110
Bertha May PELLOW
John Dixon BIRKETT



Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Wednesday 20 August 08 04:55 BST (UK)

1919 Electoral Roll, Wellington East
John BIRKETT
Bertha May BIRKETT

John Dixon BIRKETT:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=4141&Service=Cremation

given the age and therefore probable dob, he is of a similar age to Bertha May CARDEN…..

Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 20 August 08 05:09 BST (UK)
 It appears from paperspast that a T Cardon from Waiuku was in the army or local militia, if this is your guy maybe he went to the Sth Africa War ?

 I think maybe its time to buy a few certs, definitely Marthas (for her parents and possibly where she is buried) and  Berthas marriage certificate to confirm parentage.

 Those school records that Bren found are good, but need some certs to make sure.

 and the paperspast (Sthn Cross) have a number of Cardon hits all Waiuku. Pity it ends before Marthas death.

 and just another thought, one of the paperspast items was a farming contest, and a J CARDON won the drainage test.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Wednesday 20 August 08 05:40 BST (UK)
they had a son John G/C Cardon  dob and pob unknown ( have seen transcribed both ways) 

Another son was born John Frederick Cardon (Frederick) who was a miner in Waihi, his burial record states he was born in Waiuku 1866 c. He died Waihi 1914, no known wife or children,( his probate details available above message)he also shows in the 1893 Elec Roll. His death Notice states the following ( so I know that there was definatley a first son- not born in NZ)

Herald, 2nd September 1914.

On August 26th, at Waihi Hospital, John Frederick Cardon, 2nd son of the late Thomas and Martha Cardon of Waiuku, in his 48th year.

Now Thomas, Martha and son num1 seem to have vanished into thin air, there are no probates for them, and I cant locate any burials.


as both these boys "appear" to have been named John, it is more than likely that the first son "John" died as a child - perhaps before they came to NZ

-quite usual in Scottish families where there might be 3 or even 4 attempts to get a living child to carry on the name....


Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Sunday 24 August 08 09:47 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much you are all brilliant  ;D
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Tuesday 26 August 08 09:33 BST (UK)
Hi,

Is anyone able to locate a birth c1901, for Elina/Elma Pauline Lenton Cardon/Carden, I have her marriage entry.

Cheers
Del
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: cmclayton on Tuesday 26 August 08 10:14 BST (UK)
Hi Del

Marriage entry as per KiwiBren

Elina Pauline Lenton CARDON   1923  Folio #07813  to  Richard Roland McCRYSTAL

Burial  of both

http://www.purewa.co.nz/search.asp

Thanks heaps Christine
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Tuesday 26 August 08 11:24 BST (UK)
Hi,
Is anyone able to locate a birth c1901, for Elina/Elma Pauline Lenton Cardon/Carden, I have her marriage entry.
Cheers
Del

They can't be Thomas and Marthas kids,  if they are related they must be Johns or Henrys and Henry ain't for sure yet.

I would get Marthas death cert and verify the number of kids, as well as getting her parents.    :)
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Wednesday 27 August 08 06:35 BST (UK)
Hi all,

In the past week I have met a family member of mine, and can confirm the following.

Children of Martha & Thomas

John G, born ?
Elizabeth Kate, born usa
John Frederick, born nz
Annie Jane, born nz
Henry Madinson, born nz
Bertha May, born nz
Henrietta Edith Lenton, born nz

Now the plot thickens

On the deth reg entry it gives Marthas cause of death 10 Jan 1879 as Exhaustion From Child Birth 1 day,

I query on whether this child lived or died there is no record? perhaps Elina/Elma Pauline lenton Cardon was the last child and I have my dates out, as I thought she was a grandchild too? I have lso found a child of Annie's before she married.

Any ideas ?

Cheers
Del
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 27 August 08 13:52 BST (UK)

 So you have Marthas death certificate  ?

 Where is she buried  ?

 Have you been to library or do I need to check for Henrietta and Pauline ?

 Are we still looking for Thomas ?

    :)
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Thursday 28 August 08 02:18 BST (UK)
Hi Del

NZ Birth:
1877: CARDEN, Henrietta Edith Lenton, 129, Mar ¼, Awhitu
No birth registered in 1879 for a CARDEN/CARDON

No sign of a death for Thomas up to 1950.
So, did he leave the country…..??

Waikumete Burials:
Henry Madinson CARDON, 74, 1945

The reference for this death is 1271, Jun ¼, Avondale

Bren.


Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Thursday 28 August 08 10:35 BST (UK)
Hi,

I havent got Marths death cert yet, but have a copy of entry from register, from Waiuku Museum, the informant was husband Thomas.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Thursday 28 August 08 10:39 BST (UK)
Whoops... didnt finish and ended up posting. Still looking for Thomas and first son John, Son num2 - John's probate didnt offer much information. Have had Franklin Council search their cemeteries and no luck for any Cardon or Carden.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Thursday 28 August 08 11:31 BST (UK)
I would simply purchase the printout of the death certificate, will give parents names AND where buried.

Having a slight difficulty with Thomas being a carpenter then becoming an engineer, the fields are so different.

Have you checked the Sthn Cross paper references ?

The John CARDON who won the draining contest, may well be the first boy and thats why John Frederick C was always called FRED   ???

Getting the cert sounds the easiest way of solving this, 9/10 that Thomas will be buried with her, where ever she is !

Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Saturday 30 August 08 01:50 BST (UK)
Hi Del

Is anyone able to locate a birth c1901, for Elina/Elma Pauline Lenton Cardon/Carden, I have her marriage entry.

No birth entry 1879-1910 for Elina Pauline Lenton CARDON/CARDEN.


Bren



Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Monday 01 September 08 06:26 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone, will update when I have more news  ;D
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DotBrennan on Friday 05 September 08 10:02 BST (UK)
Hi Del

ITM dated 19 Jul 1879
Awhitu Registration District:
Name, Status, Occupation, Age, Dwelling Place, Length of Res, Normal Res
George Thomas HOLMES, Batchelor, Farmer, 30, Waiuku, 14 years,
Elizabeth Kate CARDON, Spinster, , 18, ditto, ditto,
At the dwelling house of Thos CARDON of Waiuku
The column for consent was blank….

Bren

Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Sunday 21 September 08 08:30 BST (UK)
Hi KiwiBren,

Thanks for the I.T.M, I didnt get an email to say someone else had posted to my message, just happened to back on site having a nosey at new posts.

Cheers
Del :D
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 24 September 08 05:39 BST (UK)

any other action happening ?

Are you going to get your grt grt grandmothers death cert ?


I see you have been in touch with one of Annies grandchildren,  :)



Might have a lead on Thomas but I'll wait till some confirmations come thru.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Thursday 25 September 08 08:30 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

Yes going to purchase cert, have been a bit slack due on the genealogy front due to being very busy at work. I work at the Howick Historical Village and have spent 6 weeks doing conservation work on a 100+ aged cottage, in preperation for a live day and family reunion. Will let you all know how it goes, good stuff on the possible "Thomas" lead Mk2.

Del ;D
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Friday 26 September 08 21:46 BST (UK)
Ok,

NZ Herald 13th April 1900

April 7th, District Hospital

Thomas Cardon of Waiuku   aged  57, 67 ?

His end was peace.


Recheck of death index:  1900      Thomas CORDEN        [671]  Auckland

 :)
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 27 September 08 04:19 BST (UK)

I work at the Howick Historical Village and have spent 6 weeks doing conservation work on a 100+ aged cottage, in preperation for a live day and family reunion.

Del ;D

Good on you, DelBoy !     :)

Conservators are to be applauded !

Best wishes for your project and the forthcoming reunion.

Lu
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Tuesday 30 September 08 09:16 BST (UK)
Good stuff MK2  ;)
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?
Post by: DelBoy on Tuesday 30 September 08 09:18 BST (UK)
Lucy2

All went well at work with conservation and display work...was a lot of hardwork but very rewarding now its done.  ;D So back into the genealogy for me now I have spare time now brain not pre-occupied with work.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: narelle1 on Saturday 09 May 09 00:48 BST (UK)
Hi there.
I am Narelle Cardon, daughter of Barrie Henry Madinson Cardon - did you find out anymore with your investigations?.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DelBoy on Saturday 09 May 09 05:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

Hmm for some reason I never got an email, to let me know you had replied to my messages. I have emailed back to you.

Del
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DBHT on Wednesday 23 September 09 05:18 BST (UK)
Re Henry Madison (Mattingson) Cardon, prospector, b1872 Auckland   - wife Wlliamina Kennedy Lee, b 1881 Dunedin, married Kalgoorlie Australia 16/9/1897.
Henrys parents -   Thomas Cardon (military man) and Martha Reid.
Williaminas parents - William Donalson Lee (gentleman) and Nora McCarthy.
Henry and Williamina had four children Vivian b. 1899, children unknown - Moana Kennedy (MacKinnon - Lyon) children Donald, Murdoch, Monnie Kennedy Thomson - Moor & Neil.
Elina Pauline Lenton (McCrystal) daughter Erica (Bunty) Cashmore others unknown
Marsden Reid b 1913
Henry (Insurance Manager) & Williamina lived in Parnell Auckland, Vivan born Western Australia, daughter Moana born Brisbane Australia Elina & Marsde born Auckland NZ.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DBHT on Wednesday 23 September 09 05:23 BST (UK)
Barrie could be the brother of Henry Madison/Madinson/Mattinson Cardon. I have three different spellings for Henrys second christian name.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DelBoy on Tuesday 20 April 10 22:16 BST (UK)
Re-hashing this topic....

I have the death printout for Martha, death 1879 Waiuku, but no burial information on it....grrrr. I have had the Franklin Cemeteries searched aprox 6 times over the last 5 years, for many a name variation, but still no luck.

Most of the family that died around the same are buried very close to one another in Waiuku Cemetery, but no Martha or Thomas either.

I have even done a walk around of several local cemeteries in Waiuku and still no luck.

I thought perhaps she may have been buried with her first son ( who I also cant find) What has happened to her/them, surely in 1879 they wouldnt have travelled to far away with a deceased body anyway?

Death printout gives cause of death as exhaustion from childbirth 1 day, but there are no birth or death entries for any child this year, so likely she was still pregnant at time of death?

Please help me , I would really like to find where she was interred and acknowledge her.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 21 April 10 03:34 BST (UK)
Hi There Delboy,

Can't see Martha or Thomas on the burial locator cd from NZSG

I do hope you find their resting place soon

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DelBoy on Thursday 29 April 10 23:11 BST (UK)
Ok everyone......brace yourselves, I have certs....and.....Nothing Nada. Thomas's says buried Waiuku !!! At first I though it said Hamilton but if you compare the letters to the other writing, the K in Auckland etc, you will see as I did it says Waiuku, bugger. WHERE ARE THEY.... I have been back in touch with the council and NO luck.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DelBoy on Thursday 29 April 10 23:18 BST (UK)
I have checked with Franklin Cemeteries, the NZGS burial locator, NZGS disc v5, and every Cenetery I can think of. Even found a Thomas Gordon buried mauku, but there was not enough info back from the Cemetery to confim or rule out. :'(
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: johnbarr on Friday 30 April 10 00:33 BST (UK)
Hi Delboy,
I hope you dont mind - I've enhanced your photo a little to try and help.

Good Luck

John B
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 30 April 10 00:41 BST (UK)
Just a thought but Little's funeral records for that time are held at Auckland City Library in the Research Room. That may have the details about Thomas' burial as I do not see it on the certificate/printout

Newbe
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 30 April 10 03:04 BST (UK)
Aw gee DelBoy.    :'(

AND ditto with that "B" word !!!

Could these be burials in a churchyard maybe ?

Who is the Rev. ??  WEBSTER (looks like) ... C of E.  ??
[Waiuku Parish ??]

~  Lu
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 30 April 10 03:25 BST (UK)
Hi DelBoy

Just harking back to Mk_2's reply # 27 - and the death notice from the "NZ Herald" :

In addition to "advice" of the death, there was usually (in the same edition), publication of the funeral notice ... detailing time of the service, where the procession was to leave from  ... and most importantly, where (which cemetery) it was headed for.

So certainly worth searching for this.

[Having said that, funeral notices are not always easily spotted in these old newspapers  ... they're not always necessarily where you think they should be.  ;)   Usually though, they're found towards the back of the paper, in amongst the columns of general advertisments.]

~  Lu 
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: DelBoy on Saturday 01 May 10 02:50 BST (UK)
Hi Lu,

Found info on the rev' but this dosent help, just places them back in the Waiuku district, same time.
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc02Cycl-t1-body1-d3-d2-d10.html

Del
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: sgbright1965 on Sunday 24 April 11 11:41 BST (UK)
I have a photograph of Kate Cardon (Holmes) if you are interested.
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: kayos on Wednesday 23 March 16 08:57 GMT (UK)
Hello, I have been researching the Kariaotahi School (Waiuku) history and came across May Cardon, age 10, on the roll in 1884.  Many Matoaka passengers settled in this area - including Kariaotahi.  There is no other record of any Cardons - including May - before or after that year (so far, I have researched between 1880 and 1887 only).
Title: Re: My Vanishing CARDON family, can you help ?-COMPLETED-
Post by: danikakate on Monday 22 August 16 10:54 BST (UK)
Hi Del,

My name is Danika Cardon-Smith, daughter of Dion Cardon-Smith, son of Frances Smith and Carol Cardon, who was the daughter of Henry Madinson Cardon, who was the son of Thomas Cardon and Martha Reid, nice to meet you haha!