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Can someone lookup following Holden family in 1861 and 1871 if possible:
James head b.1805 Pickup Bank/darwen - farmer
Ellen wife b.1806 ditto
Alice dau b.??
Mary dau b.1829 ditto
John son b.1842 ditto
Nicholas b.1845 ditto
Jane J. dau b.1847 ditto
Elizabeth dau b.1851
Thanks,
Ian
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1871, Lake Hall Over Darwen Lancashire
RG10/4189 f136 p13
James Holden 66 Farmer 8 Acres
Ellen 65
Alice 37 Cotton Weaver
John 28 "
Nicholas Mar 25 "
Jane D 23 "
Betty 19 "
All born Over Darwen
Cazay
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Sorry Ian, I cannot find this family in 1861. Have tried various search methods, but still they do not show up.
Cazay
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Thanks for your attempts - can you possibly find them in 1851 - may give clues to '61 also??
Thanks,
Ian
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Now found in 1861......looks like Lark Hall, Over Darwen
RG9/3111 f12 p18 & 19
James Holden 56 Pickup Bank Lancs Farmer of 12 acres
Ellen 54 wife " Housework
Mary 31 dau Over Darwen Dressmaker
Alice 27 dau Pickup Bank "
Phebe 21 dau " Cotton Weaver
John 19 son " "
Nicholas 16 son " "
Jane E 13 dau Over Darwen "
Elizabeth 10 dau " Scholar
Marsden Marsden 3 grandson Over Darwen
Cazay
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Two separate households in 1851
1851, Lark Hall, Over Darwen Lancashire
H0107/2261 f392 p28
Ellen Holden Head 44 Pickup Bank Lancs Farmer of 15 acres
John son 8 " Farmer son
Nicholas son 5 "
Jane E dau 3 "
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1851, New Gate, Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire
H0107/2246 f607 p25 & 26
Mary Holdin 22 Head unm Over Darwen Lancaster Weaver Cotton Powr?
James 46 father Mar " Outdoor Lab
Fish 19 brother unm " Weaver Cotton Powr?
Alice 16 sister unm " "
Cathrine 15 sister unm " "
Timothy 13 brother unm " "
Phebe 11 sister unm " employed at home
Ancestry have Fish but the F could be an H, short for Hamish maybe?
Cazay
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Many thanks for the lookups Cazay, much appreciated :)
Ian
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Something very Fishy going on here Ian..its definatly Fish Holdin)Holden)..
Marriage on UKBMD.......1854..
Fish Holden..married Esther Place..would you believe..
Blackburn Reg Office or Reg Attended...
Regards..LL.
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Hi McNulty
I have these people on my Tribal Pages tree - and their 1100 relatives, if you are interested!
I don't know how to send a private message on this Site (I only joined 5 minutes ago, literally, so I could reply to this thread) and I don't want to put the password for my tree on here - what shall we do?
Olde Crone
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I have encountered many instances in Darwen where a male child's forename was what would now be considered a surname. Examples include:
Fish FISH
Cooper COOPER
Wellington WOODCOCK
Fish ECCLES
Eccles GRIMSHAW
and tangentially in my own family tree
Duckworth ENTWISTLE
I'm sure that this was widespread in Lancashire generally. I once met a Harrison CLEGG, a Wright SHAW and, of course, not fogetting that the composer Harrison BIRTWISTLE comes from Accrington.
Glenn Taylor
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In fact this practice was so widespread in Darwen, and resulted in so many people who had the same odd names, that everyone was given a nickname, e.g.
Owd Timothy o' Timothys
Peg o' Bettys, Peg o' Titus, Ralph o'th'back o'th' heights
Jack of Ralph's Kay
Ealph o' Jack's Kay
Fish o' Fishes
and many more such completely useless identifiers!
OC