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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: JEANP on Friday 06 October 06 09:59 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I have the pre 1855 gravestone index for Kincardine & the Mearns out from the library if anyone wants a look up.
I am in the process of transcribing the parish records and recording the stones in Benholm Kirkyard, this is for a "mini" family history centre & local research centre that I am hoping to set up in the kirk - will let you all know of my progress.
Jean
I will have the index until 18th November 2006
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Hi Jean
Would you be able to look up the following in the Kincardinshire index for me
(From Vol 1 Perthshire index I think)
In the notes section of Fowlis Wester it says:
"S.R.O. GD24 Abercairney [Moray & Drummond] muniments section v includes Estate Papers [[i]see Kincardine {South Perthshire vol 2} inscription 134[/i]"
This is from a request for a burial of any Morrells/ Cairney/ Kearney that I have put in the Perthshire section. I am looking for a Cecelia Morrell/Cairney from the Abercairney estate. A kind message from Rae had looked in a Perthshire volume for around Crieff and the above was in the notes section for Fowlis Wester. Cecelia actually died after 1855 but I would like to know more about the Abercairney section if possible. I dont know if there would be anything regarding this but would you be able to look.
Thanks very much.
Julia
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Hi Julia,
There's no mention of these names in the Kincardine & Mearns Index.
I think means that there is an entry in the South Perthshire Volume 2?
Jean
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Hi Jean
Could you look up for me a Margaret STREET (nee Anderson). I believe she died in late 1840s - early 1850s, as her husband Joseph remarried in 1852. They did come from Aberdeenshire, but Joseph remarried in Kincardine. She would probably have only been in her mid-late 20s at death.
Many thanks for your time.
Regards Anita
:)
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Anita,
There are no Street gravestones in the index and no Andersons that match your Margaret.
Sorry
Jean
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I'm afraid Jean is correct, Nita. A friend and I transcribed the inscriptions from all the headstones in Bervie Kirkyard many years ago, and there is no record of a Margaret Street. Sorry to be so negative.
Bervonian.
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Thanks Jean & Bervonian,
I didn't know whether they had actually moved to Bervie or not, just thought I'd find out if she was listed. It doesn't matter too much to me, as she is the first wife of Joseph, its his second marriage that is my line. Just wanted closure with Margaret's death details if I could find them.
I'll probably find out eventually one day. Thanks for your time.
Regards
Anita :)
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Bit of a longshot - are there any Thow (Thaw, Taw) entries? In particular David & Isobel (nee Kinnear), who I'm guessing were born c 1750's - their daughter, Jean, was born in Benholm c 1775.
Also, does the name Youngson appear at all?
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Hello there,
There a few Thow etc, give me a bit more info and I'll check them out, looked for David & Isobel - no joy I'm afraid.
Just one Youngson - it's short and sweet.
From Banchory-Devenick
"The burial ground of Wm Youngson. 1840"
and that's it!
Jean :)
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Hello again Anita,
I thought I'd better clarify, I checked the pre 1855 gravestone index for the whole of Kincardineshire, not just Bervie.
Jean :)
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Hi Jean,
Would you please check the gravestone index for either:
George PYPER/PIPER and/ or his wife Helen (nee Burness) - both born c. 1760, married 1791 Marykirk.
I don't know/can't find death details.
They were "last seen" around the Marykirk area.
I am rather clutching at straws here so don't worry if nothing is recorded - think this may be another "unknown" ::)
Thanks
Di
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Hello again Anita,
I thought I'd better clarify, I checked the pre 1855 gravestone index for the whole of Kincardineshire, not just Bervie.
Jean :)
Thanks Jean, maybe she died in Aberdeenshire and then her husband moved to Kincardine. Thanks for clarifying that.
Anita :)
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Jean
Do you have any Spark family members?
I have the Cowie ones but if there are any others I would be grateful
Jane
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Sorry Di,
Can't find anything for your couple in Kincardineshire.
Found this in Marykirk:
Erected in 1847 by Jas Pyper gardener at Johnston imo parents Alex Pyper d. Rosehill 5.10.1825 72, & Elspet Cruickshank 4.9.1846 84.
Jean
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Hi Jane,
There's lots of Spark entries in Kincardineshire - are you looking for anyone in particular?
Jean
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Hi Jean
Can you please look in your index for Sherret or Dunn. It's a longshot but much appreciated.
BoBo
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Hello,
I'm afraid I'll need a bit more info than a surname. Please provide Christian & Surnames place and date of birth and place and date of death if known.
Thanks
Jean :)
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Jean, I wonder if you can find DAVID BLUES/BLEWS in the index. He was B.30.4.1727, M 21.11.1754 to CHRISTIAN CRIGGIE but I can't find his death. DANNIELLE
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Hi Jean
I have the following information:-
William Sherret born approx 1800 in Kincardineshire
Isabella Sherret born approx 1800 in Kincardineshire
They had a large number of children but in 1861 they appear in the Fordoun census.
Can you help? Is it still insufficient information for you to trace? Sorry I did say it was a long shot!
BoBo
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Hi, Danielle,
I note your interest in BLUES/BLEWS of Benholm. I am descended from Elizabeth BLUES (bap in Benholm in 1746, I think, daughter of Alexander). She married David SCOTT in 1773. Any connection? I know next to nothing about this line, but would be delighted to know if you have any links.
Best wishes,
Roz
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Hi Bobo,
Quite a few Sherrets & variations but none that match yours, just one in Fourdon so I thought I'd post that anyway.
Jas Sherat late Carrier in Auchenblae d 04.01.1837 77, W Isabella Falconer 9.2.1828 68, s Wm 6.1814 10, da Jane 5.1801 4y, s David fewar in Auchenblae 13.1.1853 69 (w. Christina Webster 26.9.1861 73)
Jean
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Hi Dannielle & Roz,
Here are the entries for Blues/Blews in the Index.:
Benholm:
Erected by Alex Cragie shipmaster Johnshaven imo w Elspet Blews 28.2.1800 61, md 1764,following chn: Ann b. 11.10.1767, John b 26.8.1769, Alex b 18.(1). 1771 d 24.7.1791, Wm b (19).8.1773 d 6.1775, Isobel b 23.6.1775, Christian b 10.1777 d 28.7.1778.
Erected by Wm Blews, R-- officer in Gurdon imo fa Thos Blews skipper Johnshaven 1784 92,mo Janet Falconer 1775 86, 1w helen innes 1758 22, their da Mary d inf, deceased chn by 2w Isobel Dickie, Robt 1765 3y, Wm 1783 (17) y, Barbara 1775 3y 7 Barbara 1777 6m.
Wm Blews 27.1.1805 75, 2w Isobel Dickie 17.5.1798 62, two of their das viz Cleaphen 17.6.179- 22 & Janet 30.1.1799 39, s David d Port Royal Jamaica 17.9.1797 33. By John Simpson imo w Isabella Blues 26.5 1850 71.
Sorry got to go out will continue when I come back
Jean
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I'm back!
Erected by David Scott mert Johnshaven 16.4.1826 76 imo fa Jas Scott 3.1788 76, mo Margt Walker 4.1788 79, David (Scott) b 3.1750, Eliz Blews b 5.1749, they were md 7.1.1773 & had the following chn Alex b 10.1773 d 3.1779, Margt b 1.1775 d 12.1785, David b 9.1776, Eliz b 8.1778 d 3.1808, Jas b 3.1780, Wm b 1.1782 d 9.178(-), John b 1.1784 d 10.17(--), Jean b 10.1785 d 7.178(-), Kath b 7.1787 d 2.179(4)
Erected by John Largie mert Johnshaven imo fa John Largie sometime skipper in Johnshaven d 17(3)6 42y, mo Christian Largie 1760 53, bro Jas d infancy & of his own family whose names are on the other side of this stone. John largie b 7.1734 d 26.7.1809, Anne Blews b 5.1733 d 8.12.1821, they md 21.9.1759, following chn: John b 15.9.1760, Eliz 22.3.1762 d 6.7.1789, Anne b 26.12.1763, Jas b 10.12.1765, David b 28.8.1767 d 16.6.1788, Isobel b 18.9.1769, Susan b 13.1.1772, s Geo b 20.4.1774 d 10.9.1791. Eliz Largie 11.3.1884 87
Erected by David & And Mearns Shipmasters in Montrose imo gmo Margt Blues d 7.1.1819 60. gfa David Mearns 27.4.1841 89, bro & sister both d inf. And Mearns d at sea on or about 24.12.1845 34, thier mo Jean Mearns 23.7.1850 65. David Mearns shipmaster 20.11.1852 43
Bervie:
imo (Hercules) Jamie sometime ship-master in Gurdon & of (Janet Blews) his spouse and -------- thir chn Janet, Ann and -------
That's it, hope this isof help.
Jean :)
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Hi Jean
Many thanks for your help. No these are not the same Sherret's as you thought. Thank you again for all your help.
BoBo
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Hi Jean,
Many thanks for all that - some of these are definitely in my line, though others will need to be worked on!
Was surprised there was so much - and very grateful for your time and effort in copying all the text. Thank you again.
Best wishes,
Roz
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Hi Roz,
I have no trace of your BLUES in my tree. I am decended from DAVID BLEWS b +/- 1700 in Benholm and his decendents DAVID b 1727, ALEXANDER b 1764 and HELEN b1801. There were a lot of ALEXANDER BLEWS/BLUES alive at the same time in JOHNSHAVEN, very confusing!
DANNIELLE
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Hi Dannielle,
I'll keep your details to hand in case of finding a link at a later date - I bet they are all connected somewhere, if we could sort out the tangled web
Happy hunting!
Roz
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Hello Jean, Thanks for your help re the BLEWS. There are several unmarked graves in BENHOLM KIRKYARD which are marked on the plan as " McFarline" These could be Mcfarlane and this would be a great help to me. Does your book have any more information on these graves?
I was in the Kirkyard and the Kirk a few weeks ago.
Dannielle
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Good Morning Dannielle,
The plan you saw at the Kirk is quite helpful, however the names on the plan refer to the purchaser of the plot, not necessarily the deceased.
The only McFarline graves marked on the plan or in B25 and as far as I'm aware there's no stone. Did you see a stone?
Jean
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Jean,
No there were no stones in the area of the McFarline graves. I'm still looking for the grave of James McFarlane who died 9 Feb 1871 in Johnshaven who was my G-G-Grandfather. Can you tell me when the last burial was in Benholm Kirkyard after which I presume burials in Johnshaven old churchyard would have commenced?
Dannielle
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Hi Dannielle,
I'm sorry I do not know yet when burials stopped in Benholm, but should I come across this information I'll let you know. The plan is dated 1892 so I would presume it would be around that time.
I am presently transcribing the parish records but the early records that I'm working on don't match to any of the graves marked on the plan. But I'm hoping that when I get into the later burials, that I can start to match the plan to the records.
Jean :)
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Hello again Jean, thanks for the note about the burial records. I just hope that something will turn up eventually!
Dannielle
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Sorry Jean only just saw your posting.
Lots of Sparks hey.
Most wil be from the Muchalls Sparks which I have not proved a relationship too.
I am particularly looking for a William Spark.
Or any Archibald Spark's - Archibald is a commonly repeated name in my lot.
If none of theses James & Alexanders were quite common too.
Thanks
Jane
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Jean, Since you say that the burials would have stopped in Benholm Kirkyard about 1892 we have looked at our records and have two of my family who died in Johnshaven in 1871 and 1880 but we can't find their graves in either of the Johnshaven cemeteries.
James Mcfarlane died on 9 Feb. 1871 and his wife Helen(Nellie) Blues died on 26 June 1880.
They might be buried in Benholm so these dates might be of help to you when trying to tie up those buried in the plots when you get round to it.
It would also help me tie up some loose ends and possibly provide information on who is in the "McFarline" plots.
Dannielle
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Hi Dannielle,
From the position of the mcfarline plots I would guess that they are older burials. However, it's possible that when James died they opened up the plot, as there is no stone we'll never know. The same with his wife Nellie.
There could be a mention of the burial place in the parish records, I have seen this in other parish records. I can't get to the library this week but I'll look at the records and see what it says. Unless you've already seen them?
Let me know
Jean
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Hi Jane
Please can you provide d.o.b. and possible place of death for those you are looking for. A date of death would also help.
Thanks
Jean
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Hello Jean, No I haven't seen the OPR's in the library. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Dannielle
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Hi Dannielle,
I've done some checking up and the parish registers (deaths) only go to 1853. But I have a contact name for the trust who now own the kirk, so I'm going to see if they know who has the burial records and how I can get hold of them.
Jean
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Hi Jean
Of course the questions you are asking have the answers I am looking for.
William Spark was born 1791 but I don't know where or when he died.
An Archibald was born 1841 & died before 1851
There was also a Mary born 1843 died some time after 1851.
There is a half sister buried at Fetteresso but I don't know what happened to the others.
Jane
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Jane,
What was the name of William Sparks wife dob etc, as there are so many Sparks it may be easier to find her, as in Scotland the maiden name is usually placed on grave stones. If I find one I will more likely than not find more.
Jean
p.s do you have them on the 1841 census? If so where were they?
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Hi Jean
William's wife was named Margaret Gilchrist but she died in Aberdeenshire in 1863
The family moved from Montrose which was where they were in 1841.
Archibald senior's wife was Barbara Reith from Drumoak so there was a lot of moving around.
Their daughter Ann is with relatives in Drumoak in 1841
Jane
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Hi Jane,
I know I'm being a pain but is this right?
William Spark b 1791 b.Where?
married Margaret Gilchrist dob? place? died 1863 Aberdeenshire.
Children:
Archibald b 1841 where? d before 1851
Mary b 1843 where ?d after 1851
Archibald Senior b. ? where?
For William do you have him on the 1851 & 61 census.
Where was mary in 1855
There really are a lot of spark entries and there are no christian names in the index so I will have to look at every entry. I f you let me know the last place you know they definitely were , I will start with that.
Jean.
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Hi Jean my Sparks weere from Montrose.
There is another load of Sparks from Muchalls & I suspect most of those in the index are that crew to which no positive link has been made.
Mine settled in Durris area but there are no gravestones there I know.
There is at least one post 1855 in Banchory Ternan, if you could look at Banchory Ternan & Maryculter I would be grateful
Cheers
Jane
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Sorry Jane,
No Sparks in the places you mention:
Came across this in Marykirk:
Erected by John, Archibald & Joseph Spark & their mother Jean Callum imo her husband William Spark tent Wallfield d 14.5.1795 72, likewise Johns daughter Ann 14.4.1796 5y.
Jean :)
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Hi Jean, I wonder if you have any entries for a
Lauchlan McEachren (ran) (ron)
and Christian McEachren (ron)(ran)
or any McEachran's.
Thanks Yonder
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Hi Yonder,
Please can you supply d.o.b. and possible search places please.
Thanks
Jean
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Hi Jean
Thanks for looking
This William goes way back doesn't he I shall have to do a bit of research & see if these are linked to mine
Cheers
Jane
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Hi Jean, Sorry about the lack of information,
Lauchlan McEachran died before 1841, Christian
Mceachran. m/n Shand, was a Chelsea pensioner widow on the 1841 census.
I Don't know Lauchlans age, but I presume he was a
young man, when he went to war. I am trying to assemble the families, so any Mceachran,s you could find, I would be glad to know about.
Many Thanks Yonder
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Hello Yonder,
Sorry theres no-one of that surname in Kincardine or the Angus index.
Jean :'(
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Thanks Jean for looking for me, Yonder