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I'd very grateful for any information anyone could provide relating to Fred Leng. The 1901 census* has him born in "Mash Chappell, Lincolnshire", (presumably Marsh Chapel) in 1858.
I've been unable to trace the birth of a Fred Leng circa 1858. The Leng family believe that the family surname may have been changed to Leng from Moses sometime in the 19th century. I've been equally unsuccessful in tracing a Fred Moses (or similar) born around 1858.
Thanks in advance,
Keith Leng
*Class: RG13; Piece: 4484; Folio: 68; Page: 11.
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Hi Kieth,
1861 Marsh Chaple (spelling as per census sheet:RG9/2386/75 pg 13)
Edward Ling, Head, mar, 26, ag lab, b Ludborough
Louisa ,wife,mar,25,b (can't recognise place..but guess Kirmond)
Fred ,son,4, b Utterby
William, son,2,b Northcoates
George,son, 11 months, b Northcoates
William and George may be in Free BMD (Louth)- can't see Fred
Louisa would probably be Louisa Wilkinson bap 14 Dec 1835, Kirmond le Mire, dau of William and Eliza (Edward and Louisa's later children - ref 1871 census, use Wilkinson as a middle name) William Wilkinson mar Eliza Andrew 27 Aug 1832, Kirmond le Mire (Westwold deanery marriages).
Looks promising, I think, as your Fred Leng in Sculcoates in 1901, uses the Ling spelling in 1891.
John
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Thanks for that, John. It hadn't occurred to me at all that there might be some other version of the Leng surname. I'll follow up the leads you've provided me. I'm still very new to this and I need all the help I can get!
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In 1891, Fred has his brother Ernest age 19 born Elsham with him:
RG12/3924 121 5
Kingston upon Hull Southcoates
1 Cyprus Terrace
Fred Ling, head, 33, Dock labourer, b. Lincs March Chappel
Emily, wife, 35, b. South Ferriby
Annie Hester, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Lucy Getrude, dau, 1, b. Hull
Ernest Ling, brother, s, 19, Dock labourer, b. Elsham
1881 links Ernest to Edward and Louisa 8)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=12905804
Birth Lucy Gertrude Ling Dec 1889 Sculcoates 9d 181
Interestingly, she also marries as Ling in Sep 1911, just as 'Hettie'
Birth Dec 1885 Glanford Brigg 7a 726 Annie Esther Ling
Marriage Dec 1907 Annie Hester Ling Sculcoates 9d 468
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Kieth,
Don't know how far back you want to take this, or what resources you have , but..
1841 Ludborough:
Richard Ling,42
Helena,40
Helen,12
Eliza,10
Edward,8
Charles,7
William,6
Maddison,4
That's consistent with the IGI submitted entry on this family.
John
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Hi John, I keen to keep going with this, it's just taking me a while to find my feet. I was surprised how quickly you and Tati unearthed the information that you did.
The Fred Ling link does look good. Judging by the ages it seems that Lucy Gertrude in 1891 is Gerty in 1901 and Annie Leolei is Hetty in 1901. I found Lucy Gertrude in FreeBMD and I've ordered a copy of her birth certificate. No luck with the others.
My grandfather, William Norman, makes his first appearance in the 1901 census. I found a William Norman Leng born in Stockton 1897 and I've ordered a copy of that.
I'm still not sure whether the use of Ling in 1891 was intentional, or an error. We Lengs are often mispelled as Ling, Lang, Long etc. ::)
What was it that led you to Fred Ling in the first place? Was it a phonetic search somewhere?
The only resources I have are a membership of Ancestry.com. I'll be in London next week and I was thinking of visiting the Family Records Center +/or Kew.
Thanks a lot for the new information ... I'm not sure what IGI stands for but I'll continue to dig :)
Cheers,
Keith
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What was it that led you to Fred Ling in the first place? Was it a phonetic search somewhere?
I think I used your Marsh Chapel ref to bring up the whole of the village in 1861 (Ancestry) and checked the L's.
To save me looking, who was William Norman's father?
Interesting that Fred's stated birthplace was Utterby, which is close to Covenham, one possible source of the 18th century Lings.
John
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Fred himself was William Norman's father. This my ancestry tree:
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/pedigree.aspx?tid=334699
Not sure, if you can see it but I'd be happy to share it with you if you can't. I'll be offline for a while now, but I'll check back later.
Cheers,
Keith
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OK, here's something to add to your chart:
Marriage June quarter 1883
Glanford Brigg 7a 1380
Fred Ling - Emily Jacklin
Death Emily Ling age 43
June 1899 Sculcoates 9d 103
Emily Jacklin in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=12904523
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Also, your Tobias 'L' Annison was in fact Tobias Smith Annison, who married Ida Elizabeth Malton in Dec 1883 Sculcoates
Here he is in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=26037825
His father Edward Stewar(t/d) Annison was married to Selina Ursula Hastings before marrying Mary Ann. Selina dies in 1855, and he remarries Mary Ann Smith very soon afterwards. (Dec 1855 Sculcoates)
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Emily's probable parents marriage:
Mar 1845 Glanford Brigg district vol 14 pg451
William Jacklin- Dinah Fieldson
John
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Hope you don't mind me having a short go at the Clipsons:
Edward William Clipson is in fact age 27 instead of 20 on the 1881 image. He marries Susanna Howsam in June quarter 1876, Caistor registration district.
His father William marries Rachel Snell in Dec 1849 Caistor.
Edited to get firstnames right :-[
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Hope you don't mind me having a short go at the Clipsons:
Feel free, Tati :) Thanks for the Emily Ling info too.
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Anything else we could do for you? :) :)
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Anything else we could do for you? :) :)
Cheques are always welcome, but I prefer cash ;D
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Also, your Tobias 'L' Annison was in fact Tobias Smith Annison, who married Ida Elizabeth Malton in Dec 1883 Sculcoates
Here he is in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=26037825
His father Edward Stewar(t/d) Annison was married to Selina Ursula Hastings before marrying Mary Ann. Selina dies in 1855, and he remarries Mary Ann Smith very soon afterwards. (Dec 1855 Sculcoates)
He's listed variously as Tobias T, L and Smith. He is remembered by the family. The records show him as coach proprietor though he actually built a very successful undertaking business - T.S. Annisons on Holderness Road in Hull. The business is still a going concern. My father had fond memories of playing in the stables and watching the horses.
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I think he was definitely Tobias Smith Annison - the rest is mistranscription.
Birth March 1858
Annison, Tobias Smith
Sculcoates 9d (can't read the page number)
http://tinyurl.com/gswe5
Tanja :)
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Yep, must be. That would be supported by the business name.
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Also, your Tobias 'L' Annison was in fact Tobias Smith Annison, who married Ida Elizabeth Malton in Dec 1883 Sculcoates
Here he is in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=26037825
His father Edward Stewar(t/d) Annison was married to Selina Ursula Hastings before marrying Mary Ann. Selina dies in 1855, and he remarries Mary Ann Smith very soon afterwards. (Dec 1855 Sculcoates)
Tanja, would you mind sharing the route you took to find this information? That would be very helpful. Especially the information regarding his marriages. Thanks a lot.
Keith
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Well, he is quite easy to trace - a good start for you :)
From the 1881 census, we know his name, age and birthplace - Ludham Norfolk 1815. Searching census returns for him, there is only one possible man, who is married to Mary Ann in 1881, 1871 and 1861, but to a Selina in 1851 and 1841. As you have a subscription to census returns, I think you should be able to find him. Give me a shout if you have a problem.
On FreeBMD (also searchable on ancestry), the only possible death for him is :
Edward Steward Annison in March quarter 1891 Sculcoates.
Now that we have got his full name, we can search for his marriages. I see 2 marriages for him:
Dec 1837 Tunstead Volume 13 page 694.
Clicking on the page number for the different possible spouses, there's a Selina Ursula Hastings.
Dec 1855 Sculcoates 9d 323 to either Emma Clarkson or Mary Ann Smith.
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Ahh. I think the mist is starting to clear, now. I couldn't see how to get the name of the married couple from the FreeBMD - I didn't understand the function of the "click to see others" link. So, as I see it now: the FBMD holds an index to a Vol and Page, we can't see that page but the "click ... others" link searches the FBMD for other people who are indexed to the same Vol and Page, and from that we can infer the partners in the marriage. Cool.
One other thing that came to mind from your explanation: it sounds as though you specifically for his death and the went on to look for his marriage. Presumably it's more efficient to do it that way than to search for B, M and D together...
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Re the FreeBMD thing ... people on the same page are always listed in alphabetical surname order, so you need to look at a census to decide who married whom.
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Kieth,
These are most of my on line links for lincolnshire, in case you don't have them all....
http://s10.freefronthost.com/mi/index.html
http://www.familysearch.org/
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyLincoln_(K-R).htm#PageTitle
http://www.multimap.com/home.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/parishes.html
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101
http://www.genesconnected.co.uk/
https://www.familyrelatives.org/treequest/jsp/customer/index.jsp
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/
http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/
http://www.eyfhs.org.uk/content/links/links-1.php (Yorkshire)
John
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Thanks again, John and Geoff. The help is much appreciated, and I feel I'm starting to get the hang of the basics at least.
Ancestry seems to be a pretty good resource for research, but pretty useless for printing and viewing. I'm looking into stand-alone third-party programs. I saw a recommendation for Family Historian, but as Ancestry doesn't provide the ability to export a gedcom file I would have to manually copy everything across. I'm now looking at Family Tree Maker which Ancestry seem to plug. It seems that FTM integrates with Ancestry insofar as you can perform online searches, but I haven't yet checked if I can download what I have so far on Ancestry directly into FTM.
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Sorry to pick this up only recently, but my wife has links to Tobias and other Annisons, from Hull and Norfolk. How far back have you managed to get?
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Hi Roger
keithleng has not been on RootsChat since October 2006. He might not see your message, but fingers crossed anyway! Perhaps you could send him a PM (click on the green scroll under his name). That might work :)
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Thanks for that, Geoffe, I'll try it now.
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hi
my husband's gg grand father was also Edward S Annison - can share his side of the tree if you are interested?
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Hi, annisoc,
I haven't been able to contact Keith, yet, but Mrs. Hat would love to share notes with you. Edward Annison (b. 1783, Somerton is her 4x Great Grandfather).
Unfortunately we are a bit busy with family matters at the moment, so get another couple of posts in and I'll be able to send you a personal message, just as soon as priorities allow.
'Hat.