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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: JonLowther on Saturday 30 September 06 21:39 BST (UK)
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I am trying to track down any information in the parish registers for the following person
Name: Charlotte Knight (nee Kime or Kyme)
Married to: John Knight
DOB: approx 1873/4
Date of death: 7th January 1900
Place of death: 1 Pheasant street, Worcester. St Andrew parish (worcester)
I have not been able to trace any BMD or census records for her, soI have hit a brick wall. I am hoping that things like parish records may provide a bit more information, and if I can find a gravestone this may provide more info.
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Hi
Although she died in Worcester - she may not necessarily have been born there.
Also - she was 36 when she died so birth year is 1863/64 not 73/74
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Sorry my mistake about the date. I typed it incorrectly. :) Thanks for double checking.
I have searched on Ancestry.co.uk and the National Archives web site, and I can't seem to find any Charlotte Kimes in census/birth/marriage records between 1863/4 and 1900. Maybe she was not from the UK and got married abroad ?!?!
Since she died in the parish of St. Andrews in Worcester I was hoping that the parish records may have some info about her. Possibly her gravestone would have more info?!?
It's strange because Kime is not a very common name so I thought I would find things easily.
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St Andrews has no churchyard with stones...infact no church left either just the spire - very tall and sharp known locally as the glover's needle.
A burial in that period probably took place at Astwood Cemetery - burial records available to search at Worcester History Centre. Then you will need to contact the cemetery to find out where exactly the grave is so you can look for a headstone.
I have had success in the past - they gave me a map which enabled me to find one of mine. The cemetery is huge!
do you have the death certificate - was it unusual and possibly reported in the local press?
how do you know she was previously Kime? Perhaps she was already widowed when she married John?
just thinking out loud!
regards
netti
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Thanks for the info about the church and cemetry.
Charlotte Knight gave birth to my wifes grand-father on 1st January 1900. On the birth certificate the mothers name is Charlotte Knight (formerly Kime).
Unfortunately, on the 7th January 1900 (seven days after giving birth) she died. I have her death certificate and the cause of death was acute pneumonia. I expect it was related to the childbirth the previous week.
I also thought that she might have been married before, and that might explain why I can't find her marriage certificate for her second marriage. If Kime was her maiden name then it would have changed to something else after her first marriage. Since I don't know what it changed to then I can't find the marriage to John Knight.
However, if Kime was really her maiden name then I'd expect to find a birth certificate in around 1863/4. She might have been born somewhere else. I've checked the Scottish BMD index.
Unfortunately, her husband (John Knight) has quite a common name so it is difficult to find his birth or death, so I was hoping that their marriage certificate would give me some clues.
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have you got John on a census to pinpoint his place of birth?
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I found something to do with this last night but dismissed it because of the age and I cant remember what or where ???
Joe
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No I can't seem to find John Knight on the census. The name is a bit too common and it returns hundreds of entries. :(
I was hoping the marriage certificate might narrow it down a bit (fathers name, location etc).
I have just found a Charlotte Kyme who was married in 1883. The index gives me a page number and volume but it doesn't tell me who she married. I then went to see if a John Knight was married at the same time and if the page number and volume matched. Do you know if this is a good way of checking (other than ordering a copy of her marriage certificate)?? Would they both have the same page number and volume??
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I found Charlotte on one of the cencus last night and im desperatly tring to find it again.
I Found the marriage but thought you already had it
Will keep looking
Joe
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Thanks Joe, I really appreciate your efforts.
What marriage record did you find?? The index I found is for Charlotte Kyme married oct/nov/dec 1883. Registered in Sculcoates vol - 9a page 281.
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I think there are 4 people on a page with the same number - 2 brides and 2 grooms
one way to sort out who married who is to look for both grooms in the next census and see their wifes' names.
otherwise you will have to get the certificate
Was your wife's grandad their first child? What was John's occupation?
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Joe - is this what you saw on the 1891 census
There is a Charlot Knight b 1865 Warwick married to John G Knight and they are living in Handsworth Staffs. However, I found the marriage and she wasn't Charlotte Kime/Kyme. They had a one year old daughter - Margaret E
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Hi Jon
My paternal grandmother was married twice, my father was the result of the second marriage and on his birth certificate his mother's former name is given as her first married name and not maiden name. Hope you follow ??? So Kime could come from a first marriage.
What is John Knight's occupation on the birth certificate, could narrow down the census search?
Knight's are very numerous, I was one ;)
Susan
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The occupation of John Knight (husband of Charlotee Kyme/Kime) is listed as "Baker Journeyman". I got this from her death certificate and also the birth cretificate of their son (John Harold Knight - DOB 1/1/1900).
We really don't know anymore about my wife's grandad, or if he had any brothers or sisters. After his mothers death it looks like he was semi-adopted by a neighbour (he is living with the neighnour in the 1901 census) but it looks like he was the only child.
CaroleW - How did you find the marriage record for Charlot Knight and John G Knight?? Do you have an index that lists the details, or did you access the marriage certificate?? I am using the search on Ancestry.co.uk and it only shows me the surname, it doesn't show the person they married (I think this came in later years).
By the way, thanks for all the helpful suggestions.
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CaroleW - Could you please tell me the previous name of the Charlotte Knight you found in your search. Maybe this might be her second marriage and she has listed the surname from her first marriage, and not her maiden name?!?
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I thought I had found John in the census last night. There is a whole Knight family, originally from Nottinghamshire, with father and two sons bakers. One son is John Charles but his age doesn't quite fit (1876ish) and in 1901 he is married with a couple of kids.
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Info sent in PM